lawdog1
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Cinco De Mayo may have been yesterday, but thread remains muy picante.
THEE OFFICIAL 2019-2020 NBA OFFSEASON THREAD: VICTORY LAP
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We're getting at it early today I see 
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See you specified in regards to his coaching. I live in the bay/didn't have league pass back then so I watched the Warriors basically anytime they didn't have a better game broadcasting during theirs.
He just seemed to be running his offense like it was the 90s, the Klay post ups, the obsession with using his declining big man in David Lee (he was good statistically but teams were abusing the living hell out of him on defense and Jackson seemed to force the issue with his touches). I was just confused a lot of the time when I'd watch them play, he didn't seem like much of a game planner/adjuster either.
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So you don't think he is strong in the Technical department.
Would you agree that is only one part of coaching?
Would you also agree that only seeing a coach during a game isn't enough of a sample size to judge whether or not he/she is a good coach?
I don't want this conversation to get personal but I just find it wild that we speak on who is/isn't a good coach when we probably see 5% of what ALL they do for their teams. (And judge the majority of it on wins/losses).
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While it's only one part I think it's a bigger part than 5%.
Add to that he was clashing with front office members his first year there (first head coaching gig) and making demands for his staff, and rubbing holy water on Steph's bad ankle at a service and making him jump around on it at one of his services to show that he was healed from it, and forcing his religion on the entire team; doesn't seem like a good mix to me. I know players defended him when he got fired so yeah Im on the outside looking in, but everything that was reported/what I saw on the court just seemed like a bad combination to me and there's a reason he hasn't got an offer since.
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I am not here to defend Mark Jackson. From reports, there was a LOT of "other" stuff going on.
I am simply saying, you sitting in the stands and seeing what his team is running isn't enough to determine whether or not he is a good coach. That is just my opinion.
I am not trying to fight about if he still deserves his job. I know holding onto a job is as much about politics as it is about ability.
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I'm just saying I think those things play into being a coach too. You're supposed to be a leader of young men in that position and when you go around stirring **** up in the workplace it doesn't help.
And I think we just agree to disagree on how much on court execution matters then. You're not putting your team in the best position to win, you're not using your players to their strengths; that's bad coaching to me.
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Pot calls kettle black. You used a small snippet of Mark Jackson life to call him a fraud as well to say it's the reason why he is a bad coach and to justify why he is being blackballed.. You also volunteered that information about you getting cheated on in every relationship you've been. Regardless, for a man to be constantly getting cheated on and sounding like a victim, it means he is either trying to get with women that he cannot handle or he is a charming sawft beta ***.
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No, I am not diminishing any of those things at all. In THAT league, you have to play the game. I understand that, hell that is true for any level of basketball.
I think on court execution is HUGE. When I gave the 5%, I was more so speaking on TIME you see an NBA coach BEING a coach.
I wasn't saying on court execution is a small % in terms of IMPORTANCE. I was speaking of time visible by outsiders.
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Seems like we're close to on the same page then
darthska
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1. Call him a fraud.
2. Say it's the reason why he's a bad coach.
3. Justify why he is being blackballed.
I did not one of those 3 things.
Either you're confusing me with someone else, or you're letting your assumptions of where you THINK I was going take over, or a combination of both.
Regarding Jackson, I literally created 4 scenarios and asked you if you really think that A is the most likely one.
That still doesn't justify the personal attacks that you threw in there. Why? Just because I argued your point? Unacceptable. I hadn't insulted you, unless you consider being disagreed with as insulting.
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come to y’all in moment of vulnerability and I get jokes
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come to y’all in moment of vulnerability and I get jokes
darthska
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The privilege and false sense of entitlement you're displaying here is very interesting.
That you think you can tell someone else how they feel ('victim'), the privilege that has you thinking your interpretation justifies your approach without question or dialogue or clarification, both very telling. That you think bringing up Malcolm X was relevant, also interesting.
None of those things have to do w/ Jackson, which is what the topic was and also what I had created 4 scenarios based on before asking you a question about those scenarios, but all of those things are still very interesting, and telling.
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lawdog1
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^^^ I honestly didn’t know that Chuck and MJ had a falling out. I’ll take my very late pass on that one.
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Ol' Danny gettin' fiesty.
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Me either. Jordan one senstivie *** dude.
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This and the zeke dream team thing got MJ looking lame as hell.
and he just proved Chuck’s point by responding the way he did
#sawft
lawdog1
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^^^ I agree that Mike’s being overly sensitive about the Barkley comments, but at the same time, if Chuck felt that way and really considered MJ his brother, he probably should have said that to Mike directly, to his face before putting it out in the media. That’s the part that would have bugged me if I was Mike...but probably not enough for me to cut him off and stop speaking to him altogether.
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Surprised y'all didn't know about MJ/Chuck's fallout.
Still bums me out
Still bums me out
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MJ a savage he don’t care about none of these old ninjas.....
They was never on his level only dudes he respects:
Phil Jackson
Dean Smith
Kobe (R.I.P.)
Slim Bouler
They was never on his level only dudes he respects:
Phil Jackson
Dean Smith
Kobe (R.I.P.)
Slim Bouler
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