Uber Driver killed by 13 and 15 yr old in DC

[DCAllAfrican]

I don’t think the parents should be charged but at the same time if your kid isn’t scared of tryna rob someone’s car broad daylight around a bunch of nervous screaming white people (because not having “that talk” is part of ones lack of apprehension to this) wit cameras on you...what ARE they scared of and what have you instilled in them besides chicken nuggets and fruit gushers

Again, the actions of a child aren't always a direct reflection of what the parents have instilled.

There is no way any of us can sit here and claim what their parents did/didn't do.

 

[Barbados Slim]

Agreed, can't put this on the parents without the info, however I also agree with 6pac that the knee jerk reaction that these kids should die in prison is a bit harsh imo.

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

Lets say the Uber driver was strapped.

Would he be in the wrong for firing at a minor for self defense when they were trying to steal his car?

 

[blastercombo]

they should be monitored and kept outside of regular society until at least 18-20 if not 25. After that call an audible at that age based on who they’ve been since.

how does that help anything? What will come of this? If anything it has all the makings of making them worse

 

[WASHED KING]

Lets say the Uber driver was strapped.

Would he be in the wrong for firing at a minor for self defense when they were trying to steal his car?

Nope.

how does that help anything? What will come of this? If anything it has all the makings of making them worse

How does holding them in the system for half of their life help? They will be be middle aged felons, with zero work experience or skills when they are released. How are they going to assimilate back into society.

If you give them 25 years + you're putting a fork in both of their lives, unless that's the goal here to punish.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Lets say the Uber driver was strapped.

Would he be in the wrong for firing at a minor for self defense when they were trying to steal his car?

Not at all.

Do what you do.

The Willie Manchester law protects him.

 

[blastercombo]

Lets say the Uber driver was strapped.

Would he be in the wrong for firing at a minor for self defense when they were trying to steal his car?

Tough because they probably would of stopped once they saw the hammer. Big variable to add without changing the entire situation

 

[blastercombo]

Again, the actions of a child aren't always a direct reflection of what the parents have instilled.

There is no way any of us can sit here and claim what their parents did/didn't do.

It’s more complex than that BUT, in theory, yes. I’d change the word “parents” with upbringing and environment. Kids ONLY KNOW what they’re taught

 

[Kinfolk]

The parents being held accountable takes are outrageous!

After watching the video this is clearly a manslaughter case and not murder as there was no premeditated element as far as killing the man.

I hate that this happened and feel terrible for all parties involved so don’t misconstrue this question as victim blaming-

But why didn't the man let go of the car once he realized that they were disregarding that he was still hanging on? I would have let those two have the car. None of that would have been worth my life.

I know it was a split second decision but he might still be alive if he had let go. Again not his fault. Not victim blaming. It’s just, ughhhh.

 

[WASHED KING]

The parents being held accountable takes are outrageous!

After watching the video this is clearly a manslaughter case and not murder as there was no premeditated element as far as killing the man.

I hate that this happened and feel terrible for all parties involved so don’t misconstrue this question as victim blaming-

But why didn't the man let go of the car once he realized that they were disregarding that he was still hanging on? I would have let those two have the car. None of that would have been worth my life.

I know it was a split second decision but he might still be alive if he had let go. Again not his fault. Not victim blaming. It’s just, ughhhh.

That's what insurance is for. With all due respect.

 

[Kinfolk]

Nope.



How does holding them in the system for half of their life help? They will be be middle aged felons, with zero work experience or skills when they are released. How are they going to assimilate back into society.

If you give them 25 years + you're putting a fork in both of their lives, unless that's the goal here to punish.

The goal should be to rehabilitate. ESPECIALLY at that age.

Their brains are still malleable.

 

[Comparison Ford]

The parents being held accountable takes are outrageous!

After watching the video this is clearly a manslaughter case and not murder as there was no premeditated element as far as killing the man.

I hate that this happened and feel terrible for all parties involved so don’t misconstrue this question as victim blaming-

But why didn't the man let go of the car once he realized that they were disregarding that he was still hanging on? I would have let those two have the car. None of that would have been worth my life.

I know it was a split second decision but he might still be alive if he had let go. Again not his fault. Not victim blaming. It’s just, ughhhh.

Just answered your own question.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

The, "Why didn't he give up the car" takes might be equallyas wild. Who is thinking with sound logic in that situation?

 

[6pac]

how does that help anything? What will come of this? If anything it has all the makings of making them worse

Nobody posting in here is the EXACT same as they were @ 13-15 if you’re 23+

I get that video is foul but it would be ridiculous for them to be 80 years old still in prison over some **** that they did @ 15

even for them to still be in there at 40 or 50 would kinda be OD if they haven’t continued living like that.

Put them in prison and see which way they choose to take their own life and at 20, 25, 30 you can make the decisions of what to do next

but maybe I’m too soft. They still two lil lost black girls at the end of the day. I’m not saying to let them go next week

alternatively, yes it would be kinda wild if they get out at 23-25 and come home tryna start a rap career based of killing this *****

like I said man it’s a tough call glad I’m no judge.

 

[6pac]

The, "Why didn't he give up the car" takes might be equallyas wild. Who is thinking with sound logic in that situation?

Man once that car is on and this dummy’s foot is on the gas it’s time to live to fight another day.

Adrenaline and all that yea but if you wasn’t strong enough to rip them mfs out the car by the neck or to punch them sleep then let it go and figure out what your next move is, whether it’s some GPS type **** in the car (Uber) or reporting your license plate.

 

[ahat]

Man once that car is on and this dummy’s foot is on the gas it’s time to live to fight another day.

Adrenaline and all that yea but if you wasn’t strong enough to rip them mfs out the car by the neck or to punch them sleep then let it go and figure out what your next move is, whether it’s some GPS type **** in the car (Uber) or reporting your license plate.

Sounds easy to come to this decision from the comfort of your home or wherever you are.

 

[deusavertat]

But why didn't the man let go of the car once he realized that they were disregarding that he was still hanging on? I would have let those two have the car. None of that would have been worth my life.

I know it was a split second decision but he might still be alive if he had let go. Again not his fault. Not victim blaming. It’s just, ughhhh.

It was an act of desperation, seeing his livelihood being taken away.

I think this is worse than manslaughter, it's at least second degree which is also not premeditated. This is a little more than simple accidental infliction of death.

 

[cedric ceballos]

Lets say the Uber driver was strapped.

Would he be in the wrong for firing at a minor for self defense when they were trying to steal his car?

Not at all. I commented it earlier. But I would drill that potential situation into my sons head when he was in high school as a means of deterring him from ever getting tempted to do some dumb stuff like trying to rob someone or mess with someone because they look like an easy target. Thank God he’s never been that type of person to begin with though.

You try to rob someone, the robbery potentially going bad in the form of the victim getting killed, or you getting killed are potential outcomes. You try and rob someone and they’re packing, in the heat of the moment, they’re not going to stop to think “But wait, that’s a minor”.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Man once that car is on and this dummy’s foot is on the gas it’s time to live to fight another day.

Adrenaline and all that yea but if you wasn’t strong enough to rip them mfs out the car by the neck or to punch them sleep then let it go and figure out what your next move is, whether it’s some GPS type **** in the car (Uber) or reporting your license plate.

I am just saying it is super easy for US to be able to see that far in advance grom watching a video multiple times.

I know yall dudes ain't letting 2 little girls rough yall for your car.

Stop it man.

 

[Kinfolk]

It was an act of desperation, seeing his livelihood being taken away.

I think this is worse than manslaughter, it's at least second degree which is also not premeditated. This is a little more than simple accidental infliction of death.

I completely understand why he didn’t let go

and like I mentioned, split second decisions were made and I don’t expect anyone to think 100% rationally in a moment like that.

You’re probably right about second degree. I think the fact that we are talking about a 13 year old though should open the door to a manslaughter (voluntary) discussion.

The man was required to have insurance to work for Uber, so I wish that would have factored in more prominently, but again it all happened so fast.

DCAllAfrican

 

[ahat]

I am just saying it is super easy for US to be able to see that far in advance grom watching a video multiple times.

I know yall dudes ain't letting 2 little girls rough yall for your car.

Stop it man.

Fight, flight or freeze.

 

[216c2a]

He obviously didn't think he would be killed by holding on. He was 66 so likely felt that jumping from a speeding vehicle was more dangerous.

 

[sooperhooper]

I'm pretty sure regular Uber drivers can't carry weapons. Not sure about ubereats since no one is supposed to be in your vehicle.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I'm pretty sure regular Uber drivers can't carry weapons. Not sure about ubereats since no one is supposed to be in your vehicle.

Yea but they do it. It is against their terms/contract but plenty do.

Both Uber and UE.

 

[gry60]

I don’t think the parents should be charged but at the same time if your kid isn’t scared of tryna rob someone’s car broad daylight around a bunch of nervous screaming white people (because not having “that talk” is part of ones lack of apprehension to this) wit cameras on you...what ARE they scared of and what have you instilled in them besides chicken nuggets and fruit gushers

Never seen those kids who stare at their parents without blinking or crying while getting the belt? I grew up with a few cats like that. They were getting whooped/punished often and didn't. Give. A. Damn.

Again, the actions of a child aren't always a direct reflection of what the parents have instilled.

There is no way any of us can sit here and claim what their parents did/didn't do.

Kids learn from a lot more sources than their parents: school, playground, daycare, sports, their cousins, neighbors, etc... As a parent, you can't police all these sources, but you can teach them to handle influences from the outside world. Doesn't mean they'll always follow that advice.