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What has happened to black families vol 72% illegitimacy rate
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I'm sure when kats are out there hitting licks and slanging yayo, they're thinking about 400 yrs of oppression, and Oprah not having their back.
See thats the thing with mental oppresion, and subliminal influences. It becomes innate and second nature. Its like when you are a parent and you potty train your kids. It becomes so cerebal that you when you wake up you just without a second thought get up to pee. You just get up and do it.
Also, Chicago's dropout rates, especially among black males, are well chronicled and even at the college level they have 2 of the worst 50 schools in the nation(Chicago State and NorthEastern with 13% and 18% graduation rates, disrespectively), both of which are predominantly A.A enrollment, so that's a pretty accurate depiction. Only difference between mine and your "GED and a year a college" depiction is what, the parole thing? Yea, real stretch for me to go there. How unrealistic of me. "They" got to me alright.
Which only adds more validity of what I was saying. You have a women who says I want to help give back to my community. Um she says this, and knowing the same thing you do about chicagos' current state. what sense would it make to not start off by cleaning my own backyard.
It be like me saying I live in l.a. and I want to help the troubles and woes of my community, and solve this gang issue. So i go off and start a gang prevention program, only i start it in a all white rural community in little rock, arkansas. So are you saying that the fight for blacks to advance in the world should solely be faught by black men? Cause how does oprah going to walmart and making xmas dreams come true for 1,000's of middle-lower class white families, or donating computers, rebuilding schools in a small rural town in vermont help the black community?
Same goes for just spewing out stats showing oh black men are the lowest here, most likely to do this, more incline to have this. How exactly does this change or provide change? Yea oprah is cool and all but i respect someone like a master p, who says I want to improve and lift my people up and donate time and effort and resources for black men/women in areas like 5th ward new orleans, south-side chicago, east l.a., etc.
Im sorry but oprah giving thousands of ford focus's to small town middle class whites. And throwing pity parties for black women who made poor decisions and life choices. Doesnt equate im doing what I can to help the black community.
I don't know what to tell you but again shoes on the other foot, I'd much rather be with a multi millionaire, listed as highest grossing in Hollywood, bachelorette than when tha same women was borderline homeless selling draws out the trunk of a car. And women do pay child support if they don't have residential custody of the child. Since you like to use celebrities so much, Britney Spears pays KFed child support.
And thats the problem with the youth especially you young girls and fatherless blacks today. You stated it yourself. You said life would be better is better with acceptance of white people and being rich. I been broke of broke, And now im well im doing more then fine. See with me though I dont feel anymore/any less of a person, a father because of my finnacial or social status. And based on how your talking, you really havent experienced the black lifestyle, probably under 25, hell definetly under 30. And either a black woman, heavily influenced by a black woman, or detacted from everyday blacks.
As far as the Kfed comment. It is lol at best. Since your a stat person, lets compare how many black men who dont work and live off the govt support just because they have kids, versus how many black women who benefit and reap rewards just for having kids. Do you really think the %'s will be even in the same ballpark?
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did I say that? stop reaching
Fast forward to the present: I have a college degree, 0 debt, a decent car, & make an ok yearly salary. Did I have Gameshark or something & cheated this whole "system"? If Dr. King was still alive, I'm sure he'd be proud of me. Stop it 5
if you were born in the 80s or later, you NEVER experienced slavery nor the civil rights movement...what is your point? Jews have prospered as an entire society post-Holocaust, majority of Native Americans are doing alright after getting their land stolen from them, & the enslaved Chinese that helped build the transcontinental railroad system here went on to become ancestors to the world's richest country. WE ALL KNOW America is the "land of the thieves, home of the slaves"; but how many pleas are black people gonna cop?
While all of these facts are true. You conveniently left out that all of those groups of people were rewarded and received some sort of reparations. Not to mention most got long term business loans, with low %'s . Where the time to began paying back said loans was years away enough time to establish your business. Same cant be said for blacks. Also most of the people you spoke of dont have enough residents in the usa to advocate and bring about change in the usa. And even if they did, they arent going to risk giving up their secure loans, or reservations, or gambling establishments.
Fast forward to the present: I have a college degree, 0 debt, a decent car, & make an ok yearly salary. Did I have Gameshark or something & cheated this whole "system"? If Dr. King was still alive, I'm sure he'd be proud of me. Stop it 5
And thats good and all but again all social/fiscal status. What impact does your degree/car/avg salary do to improve the quality of living for blacks as a whole? Or for any other blacks period?
See thats the thing with younger generations its a its all about me attitude. Its this oh i have made a little money, get a little noriety from the white man, and then im going to sit on my soapbox and say look at me i got a phat car, dime piece, went to a top college. So if you dont have it then your just lazy and dont want to be nothing in life. What your doing, in essence I could say the same about you. I could say oh you dont want to be nothing in life, because you got a decent job slaving for someone else, while I run my business. And i have casino money that probably overshadows what your car is worth. But how would that change the overall outcome/conditions position blacks as a whole have in todays society?
This individual all for oneself. Money/education/social acceptance from other races makes me a better person then you mentality has to end. It hasnt gotten us anywhere. And it wont move blacks as a whole foward.
To be quite honest I believe half of the people who feel/think like this dont honestly care about the improvement of blacks as a whole. Its all about your direct circle of people. And social acceptance. Well the illusion, of social acceptance from outside races. These the people who get a warm feeling when the old white man in the office says "wow you speak so well for a black person" . Get kicks off the pat on the back, when the white counterparts give you that "atta boy".
Alot of yall come across as the types that get some accolades, appreciation from outside races and feel they have finally made it. The type who feel like yes I made it. these white people said im employee of the month. Im sorry but im the type that get joy from a kid who runs into me and say thanks for looking past the fact I had dreds, and a goatee and for seeing me for who I am and giving me a job, when whites gave every excuse in the book, except you look to iggerish/urban to work in my establishment despite being perfect for the job.
Yea I had a pretty good year from a finnacial standpoint. But my highlight of the year, is setting a precendant record for largest turnout for hosea help feed the homeless/meals on wheels drive. Running into these two young black girls who was going to meet some dudes almost old enough to damn near be their dads offa tagged. And being that father-figure light and stopping them from hooking up with them. Or taking a bunch of girls who dont have fathers present in their lives, to the dance with my father charity ball sponsored by frank ski at the atl civic center.
Thats the difference from now and then uplifting our people, striving for the betterment/empowerment of black people=is success. New generation, accomplishing individual goals, materialistic/social status, higher education, acceptance from outside races, and making others money, phat car/crib, and arguing, *****ing and complaining on social medias and looking down on others from the soapbox that is barely a few inches off the ground=success. Pulling up at the club with sweatshop made shoes, and slavery made clothing, dripping with blood diamonds, and driving a car fit to enter the daytona 500, but only cruising 10-15 mph so everyone can see you=youth success.
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Sometimes I wish I could walk in a black man's shoes for a day, to see how hard it really is, I just can't understand this "blame the white man, the white man has brainwashed us, we are owed, we messed up because we are victims of our society" constant bickering...I think we Hispanics deal with very similar stereotypes and obstacles due to our race, I just don't see that many Hispanics feeling like the odds are always against us because of who we are...not trying to stirr up any drama, bros...sometimes we need to take responsibility for our own !!+* ups, if the success rate of families has dropped astronomically is only because of the loss of family values in our communities...teenage pregnancy and bad parenting, it's a cycle...grow up in a broken home and chances are you will be ok with having multiple baby moms, not marrying, being irresponsible because that's all you knew growing up...it has nothing to do with homosexuality, dudes being incarcerated, or even education....it has all to do with being irresponsible, careless and bad parents/lovers/partners.
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Yeah I typed out a wall of text, for the simple task of trollin, hell is wrong with some of you.
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Warned for slur use.
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I wish you all would stop bringing up Obama as if he "won" that seat. We all know presidents are predetermined.
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I fail to see how what steezy says is trolling, it's his honest opinion and there's a lot of truth in it unfortunately
this thread needs to be about how black people need to do a better job raising their children, IDGAF about marriage and love and all that other nonsense but if you bring a child into this world you should be a slave to him/her-
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The mental oppression @+!! is a crutch. That's not making people go out and do all this ignorant @+!! that just serves to make their own life and plight to success more difficult. Convenient though, just like the race card. Kudos to whoever still uses it, even though past generations who were more recent to slavery didn't and made it further than current generations, again with less opportunities and freedoms. They weren't content to sit around, play the blame/victim and feel sorry for themselves, so why in 2011 should anyone be?
Oprah doesn't owe anybody @+!! though. If everybody took care of their own individual self and "made it" (not Oprah level obviously but a bare minimum), that would be better for everybody. But I still don't get the focus or expectation on her.
I don't know what you consider to be "everyday blacks," probably those who blame everything on D. Whiteman or something, but I am born and raised in a city with over 50% black population, grew up in a well to do neighborhood on the good side of town that is also high % blacks. Dad is from Pachuta, MS and mom is from Duncan, OK, also both heavily black communities. Same thing with the black lifestyle comment, what do you want me to do, get arrested or some other dumb @+!! then blame D. Whiteman.
Get mad at the stats if you want, but honestly you can't fix a problem to you admit you have one, and use your self for illustration, many black folks are in too much denial to even do that. Nah black men don't need to up their graduation rates, 50% is acceptable, you just want to graduate so you can be around white people, Oprah is hatin!" I'm still trying to find out why this racial oppression, white man orchestrated system of mental oppression that is to blame for any failure of any black person ever, affects men more than women.
You also made up the acceptance of white people since I never said anything about that. That's your own issues you have with white people and associating/blaming everything you perceive negatively with them.
Money doesn't directly define a person, nobody would claim that, but obviously as a parent you need to provide shelter, food, transportation, and other necessities and what does that cost? The ability to provide is directly related to one's attractiveness as a mate. Keep dismissing success and money as white ideals though. THAT helps a lot.
And unemployment is, again, higher in black men than women so there's that.
I'm with you KSteezy. It's the most tired excuse out there. But now that you have posted, we know who is next
...here comes you tagalong I am sure....
...the dude who posts all of his posts...
like this and uses like 9 full pages of...
and calls names and argues like a 3rd grader....
and fills the page with emoticons
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Serious? Well, they finally "predetermined" a black president.
I can change the thread title. What should it be? Black progression thread, the blame ***%+$ thread, how can we overcome thread?
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15 pages?
made it to the 3rd and DC was already speaking the truth about why some black families are the way they are now.
made it to the 3rd and DC was already speaking the truth about why some black families are the way they are now.
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See all I was speaking of was the reason in which we are at a disadvantage. You all keep saying don't worry about how and why we are in the position we are in but the last time I checked, when there is a problem you need to
A. FInd out why the problem exists
B. How can you move on from the problem.
Both have to be addressed. By us simply mentioning why the problem exists is very important. We can't ignore it. There is not an even playing field in this world. But for some reason, some of you think that us MENTIONING A, means we are laying down, and not trying to perform B. No that is not the case at all. I know the reason why we are in the position we are in and I am also trying to move on. But, in the back of my mind, I know that A exists. And why shouldn't we blame a the group of people that have oppressed us since we arrived in this region? Should we just not mention it at all? I think not.
I am not telling anyone to work hard, but know why we are the way we are. It isn't by choice.
And Obama means nothing to the black struggle for the last time.
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Ah...the Booker T vs Dubois debate
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THE LETTER SAYS…
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great reference...
MLK vs Malcolm could be discussed as well..
Will post more later regarding both cases..
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Originally Posted by Scientific Method
The mental oppression $%#+ is a crutch. That's not making people go out and do all this ignorant $%#+ that just serves to make their own life and plight to success more difficult. Convenient though, just like the race card. Kudos to whoever still uses it, even though past generations who were more recent to slavery didn't and made it further than current generations, again with less opportunities and freedoms. They weren't content to sit around, play the blame/victim and feel sorry for themselves, so why in 2011 should anyone be?
Oprah doesn't owe anybody $%#+ though. If everybody took care of their own individual self and "made it" (not Oprah level obviously but a bare minimum), that would be better for everybody. But I still don't get the focus or expectation on her.
I don't know what you consider to be "everyday blacks," probably those who blame everything on D. Whiteman or something, but I am born and raised in a city with over 50% black population, grew up in a well to do neighborhood on the good side of town that is also high % blacks. Dad is from Pachuta, MS and mom is from Duncan, OK, also both heavily black communities. Same thing with the black lifestyle comment, what do you want me to do, get arrested or some other dumb $%#+ then blame D. Whiteman.
Get mad at the stats if you want, but honestly you can't fix a problem to you admit you have one, and use your self for illustration, many black folks are in too much denial to even do that. Nah black men don't need to up their graduation rates, 50% is acceptable, you just want to graduate so you can be around white people, Oprah is hatin!" I'm still trying to find out why this racial oppression, white man orchestrated system of mental oppression that is to blame for any failure of any black person ever, affects men more than women.
You also made up the acceptance of white people since I never said anything about that. That's your own issues you have with white people and associating/blaming everything you perceive negatively with them.
Money doesn't directly define a person, nobody would claim that, but obviously shelter, food, transportation, etc. cost money so it's a necessity. Keep dismissing success and money as white ideals though. THAT helps a lot.
I'm with you KSteezy. It's the most tired excuse out there. But now that you have posted, we know who is next
...here comes you tagalong I am sure....
...the dude who posts all of his posts...
like this and uses like 9 full pages of...
and calls names and argues like a 3rd grader....
and fills the page with emoticons
The mental oppression $%#+ is a crutch. That's not making people go out and do all this ignorant $%#+ that just serves to make their own life and plight to success more difficult. Convenient though, just like the race card.
Control of the mind is the most powerful tool. A crutch you say. lol thats funny. I give you some examples of subliminal learning and how they long term affect lives. Back in the 70's corporate america along with cointelpro and the white propaganda used images, social/media outlets to promote their products etc like certain liqours/foods/ciggarettes. Look at years later, black folks still in majority smoke menthol ciggs and drink malt liqour over traditional beers.
Another study not to many years ago they took black kids/toddlers/babies who grew up and was exposed subliminally to white images etc. And blacks who grew up with majority black images etc. They took 20 kids of each walk of life and gave the black kids images of white ppl and white baby dolls and white barbies and then black baby dolls and black barbies. Why did all 20 kids who was exposed to white images and subliminally trained that white is good and beautiful, picked the white baby dolls and the white barbie. And the kids that were old enough to talk say oh i picked the white dolls cause theyre so beautiful and the black ones are evil and ugly? And the black kids/babies/toddlers exposed to positive black images and subliminally trained black is beautiful. All 20 picked the black dolls.
So are you implying that all 20 kids just happen to feel the same way and it was all some big coincidence? 100% rating is just a chance and has no validity? That doesnt even make sense from a mathematical,reasoning aspect. If you think 100% isnt an absolute and just a coincidence, i pray to good you arent a math teacher. cause if so the poor education could be the poor low quality of teaching. No offense just saying.
Slavery in the sense of whips and chains is over. Its more of opportunity and mental restrainst now. Even if you go back to slavery times not all blacks were slaves. Back in those days as they put it were house iggers. Yea alot of people make it through the cracks. But they are the safezone black ppl. They the ones who will list problems and speak on things like the civil right movement etc injustices, just like yourself. But when its time to put things into action and boycott/march stand up for whats right, end up being as quiet as a rat pissin on cotton. They are the ones looking from the corporate office saying f that, I aint giving up my corner desk office. I just got keys to the company car, and bought a new house and the phat new ride. Hell with them iggers. They better shut up and play the game and keep that nose up that butt. And these corporations know this.
People with your mentality arent a threat. they know if injustices, unfair working conditions etc.. happen. You arent gonna do #$! and just be content with what you have. and just downplay the situation and turn the other cheek. They know if there was a labor strike, you be right up under they nose. And wouldnt sacrifice your own for the greater good of others. They know you will act change up switch mannerism act/dress/behave flip like a light switch in the presence of these ppl.
Its like this if you took a dude with the mindframe of a marcus garvey/malcolm x, and another dude with the mindset of a ahmad rashad/bryant gumble, and they bought were trying to get a job in the corporate world. The bryant gumble type black dude gets the nod for the job. It isnt cause he tries harder etc, or the other candidates on some you owe me race card #$!. Its because the bryant gumble dude is gonna be a snatchmo shoe shinning tap dancing yes man. He isnt gonna speak out on unfair/issues in the workplace. He is content and overjoyed that he gets to be in the meetings with all the bigwig white ppl. He isnt going to work to advocate change. Hell he isnt even going to take waht he learn and start his own thing, or share that wisdom with his fellow brothers/sisters and try to improve/uplift his ppl.
He is gonna get that first bonus, get as far away from these so called hoodlum black folks. Get a white seal of approval wardrobe and car. And be on some yea i did it i did it i made it. Which is funny i know these black ppl all to well. the live in suburban areas, (you left it open talking about oklahoma, lol) get some average decent job. Detact themselves from their own ppl, for the most part with the exception of black folks who are in the same position/mindstate. They the ones who view stats, google all their wisdom of the hood, go off what media tells them. The type who once every 2 weeks or so go to the so call hood to sneak off and eat soulfood or go to the mom and pop stores to get their black care products, cause the sallys beauty supply store dont have the sulfar 8 or wave caps they need to wear. The type who oh i keeps it real i look out for my people cause i hit up the hood barbershop.
Them those same black folks who only keep in touch with they so called hood/ghetto family when its a funeral/graduation/family reunion. And just stay long enough to not seem snide.
I don't know what you consider to be "everyday blacks," probably those who blame everything on D. Whiteman or something,
I knew you had to be from some out the way, wayward iggerkeeprunnin, town. The average black person you run into the street dont go on and on about some race card, and its the man the white man this and that its all these ackers fault. where do you get thats what most black folks think. Did you just watch im gonna get you sucka, dont be a menace in south central, and soul plane, and a few tyler perry movies. And thought they were well thought out depictions/documentries on blacks in america.
First I said they should address and show your typical, everyday choose 100 random black men off the street. and your first response was why would i wanna see some uneducated, excons, dope slanging, malt liquor drinking, weed smoking, deadbeat daddies, who at best work at a rib and chicken shack.
That is about as stereotypical depiction of black ppl as you can get. i honestly wouldnt be suprise if you infact arent even black at all. I for the most part never really asked any black person whether male/female what comes to mind when you think of black ppl. And they said illiterate, convicts, who drank/smoke, sell dope and sell chicken and ribs.
If thats what first comes to your mind when asked when you think of black men. You are so lost and so far detacted aint no saving you. And before you say i didnt say that i can easily go back and copy and paste.
You also made up the acceptance of white people since I never said anything about that. That's your own issues you have with white people and associating/blaming everything you perceive negatively with them.
No you outright said it. You statd you would love and wish to be in a position like an oprah winfrey. Well guess what to be well known and well renown, and socially accepted and be a billionaire (outside of maybe being a druglord etc) You have to be socially accepted by whites. Name one, just one well renown, beloved black person who doesnt have the seal of approval and doesnt/hasnt conformed and meet the standards and social acceptance of white america.
How is it my issue i dont even have a job, i am my job. I am my own man. I realized a suit, doesnt make me more incline or more suitable for a job. I been understood that wingtips and eating certain foods, talking in such a manner, etc takes away from my work ethic and the skills and knowledge. Im the one looking for acceptance lol. Ok well im going to my office tomorrow right after I shoot hoops tonight and step in with jumpman shorts t-top and ajxiii and all. Can same be said for you going to work tomorrow? Of course not. Them white folks would run you up out of their quick fast and a hurry. If you came to work like that would it change the ability/knowledge/skills ability to teach? Nope. Now you can always use the excuse oh i wouldnt do that cause its not professional etc it isnt the proper setting yadda yadda yadda. Its not because of that, its because you wouldnt do it because you cant do it and you need that atta boy, acceptance social template seal of approval from them. It is what motivates you to live and breath.
Money doesn't directly define a person, nobody would claim that, but obviously shelter, food, transportation, etc. cost money so it's a necessity. Keep dismissing success and money as white ideals though. THAT helps a lot.
Um you would think ppl knew that but again false. Vast majority of relationships/marriages end because of this he/she changed, or we hardly knew one another etc.. Thats because they based they attraction on fiscal/physical attractions and not who the person is. I never said money and success is white ideas. i said many blacks trade in family values, striving to improve/uplift their on ppl, and the community around them. And that many black ppl equate money and success with being and overall good person, a suitable mate and a potential good parent. Yes some of those things you mentioned are a necessity, but shouldnt be the driving point and reason you date/marry/have kids with someone. nor should be used as an excuse/substitute for tradition/family values/morals etc. Which alot of blacks do. Oh im rich so ill buy you 10+ $200 kicks just because you cleaned your room or made good grades. Back in the day you didnt get #$! for this, You know why because as a child that was what you suppose to do.
Black ppl are looking for rewards for doing things that you should be doing regardless. From the babymomma who thinks I deserve sect 8, tanf, govt asst. etc cause I have a kid and i aint killed them yet and i feed and clothe them. To the black dude who wants a cookie for paying child support on time. Duh you suppose to support your kid. To the kids who say i desreve and should get a car at 16 cause ive been good all year and made str8 a's. Thats what you suppose to do. That is for your benefit not mines.
I mean cool you do your thing and made it, but history has shown in all aspects of life, that a collective group accomplishes more then a bunch of individuals. Like i stated in another thread the miami heat had a group of players who all were good as individuals, and instead of playing off each other strengths and being a cohesive and collective group, they lost to a team who did so. That same idealogy applies to life as well. Like they say theres strength in numbers.
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Scientific Method wrote:
I see it now your a race troll..
I see it now your a race troll..
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The doll study is well known. It is also older than me. There's far more images of people in color in positions of power and being depicted positively than there were back then. But still, that is a far cry from crime, welfare, incarceration or whatever we want to talk about as black problems.
I don't smoke, so I guess that subliminal %%!@ didn't work on me. Same with anything else that people use that to excuse. So apparently this mind control, system, didn't work on everyone. So what's the difference between those who it did work on and those it didn't?
YOU are the one who constantly keep looking at education, money, and success as anti black. I say I come from a pretty privileged upbringing, nice neighborhood with lots of black people and you go on some rant about house *&%#$# and hypothetical labor strikes and Bryan Gumbel, and say I don't live a black lifestyle or be around everyday blacks. Somebody mentions money and again you go right back to this white people have to like you nonsense talking about shukking and jiving.
And of course I moved far from the hood. They're shooting and robbing and killing over there. I want no part of that. I work too hard for everything i own. That's like the dumbest thing ever. Hell, the very last time I went to hoop in this neighborhood we call "The SouthSide," dude literally got killed over an argument that started over a bad call. Literally. Luckily for me, that was shortly after I left because I probably would have crapped my pants. How it would be beneficial for me, or for the black race, to move INTO the hood, other than that I would have saved like 75% on my house? Nah, find me on the safe side of town. Make a villain out of me for it if you want, but I'm alive.
That's great you own your own business, something I hope to do someday but I don't have the capital and I'm a swim close to the shore type of dude when it comes to taking risks of any kind.
I don't smoke, so I guess that subliminal %%!@ didn't work on me. Same with anything else that people use that to excuse. So apparently this mind control, system, didn't work on everyone. So what's the difference between those who it did work on and those it didn't?
YOU are the one who constantly keep looking at education, money, and success as anti black. I say I come from a pretty privileged upbringing, nice neighborhood with lots of black people and you go on some rant about house *&%#$# and hypothetical labor strikes and Bryan Gumbel, and say I don't live a black lifestyle or be around everyday blacks. Somebody mentions money and again you go right back to this white people have to like you nonsense talking about shukking and jiving.
And of course I moved far from the hood. They're shooting and robbing and killing over there. I want no part of that. I work too hard for everything i own. That's like the dumbest thing ever. Hell, the very last time I went to hoop in this neighborhood we call "The SouthSide," dude literally got killed over an argument that started over a bad call. Literally. Luckily for me, that was shortly after I left because I probably would have crapped my pants. How it would be beneficial for me, or for the black race, to move INTO the hood, other than that I would have saved like 75% on my house? Nah, find me on the safe side of town. Make a villain out of me for it if you want, but I'm alive.
That's great you own your own business, something I hope to do someday but I don't have the capital and I'm a swim close to the shore type of dude when it comes to taking risks of any kind.
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uhhh LDJ, I helped out @ inner city schools/YMCAs every summer I came home to the states (went to HS in Germany) AND during my entire time at college. Also, I gave clothes & some of my old sneakers to the teenagers that were about my size; instead of giving to Goodwill who would just turn around and sell my stuff. I don't have an "It's all about me" mentality at all. Now what have YOU done to help our youth?
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Ok and? Did you not see the Chappelle Show skit? Give black people reparation checks and nothing would happen but leased Range Rovers/Mercedes/Bimmers hitting the streets; then getting repo'd 3 months later. Less than 25% of us (I'm being VERY generous with this estimated "percentage") would be smart enough to use that money and buy some land, go to college, or invest in stocks/bonds/mutual funds. We're down to go in debt for some 30" rims on our Denalis, but won't dare go in debt from student loans while going to college.Originally Posted by LDJ
Originally Posted by infam0usP
did I say that? stop reaching
if you were born in the 80s or later, you NEVER experienced slavery nor the civil rights movement...what is your point? Jews have prospered as an entire society post-Holocaust, majority of Native Americans are doing alright after getting their land stolen from them, & the enslaved Chinese that helped build the transcontinental railroad system here went on to become ancestors to the world's richest country. WE ALL KNOW America is the "land of the thieves, home of the slaves"; but how many pleas are black people gonna cop?
Fast forward to the present: I have a college degree, 0 debt, a decent car, & make an ok yearly salary. Did I have Gameshark or something & cheated this whole "system"? If Dr. King was still alive, I'm sure he'd be proud of me. Stop it 5
if you were born in the 80s or later, you NEVER experienced slavery nor the civil rights movement...what is your point? Jews have prospered as an entire society post-Holocaust, majority of Native Americans are doing alright after getting their land stolen from them, & the enslaved Chinese that helped build the transcontinental railroad system here went on to become ancestors to the world's richest country. WE ALL KNOW America is the "land of the thieves, home of the slaves"; but how many pleas are black people gonna cop?
While all of these facts are true. You conveniently left out that all of those groups of people were rewarded and received some sort of reparations. Not to mention most got long term business loans, with low %'s . Where the time to began paying back said loans was years away enough time to establish your business. Same cant be said for blacks. Also most of the people you spoke of dont have enough residents in the usa to advocate and bring about change in the usa. And even if they did, they arent going to risk giving up their secure loans, or reservations, or gambling establishments.
As for the loans, this country is BUILT off spending money you don't have. Its the "American way", if a black person wanted to go the proper route and get a loan to start a small business, buy some land/property, etc.; what's stopping them? Their skin tone when they walk into a bank? Stop with the excuses dude. So we'll never "overcome" until the white man pays us for our grandparents' grandparents' ancestors' ancestors' years of oppression being enslaved, picking cotton? OH.
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I'm glad that you helped out at inner city schools, YMCA's and gave teens your clothes but that is not helping out at all. I'm sure after you helped out and gave your clothes away you went home (far from the inner city and the Y) with a smile on your face feeling good about yourself.
Do you think teens want hand me down clothes, no. By nature teens want new clothes so giving them your old clothes does not help then. It's more of a psychological problem.
If you really want to help them out show them a world outside of the slums/ghetto/inner city. Bring them into your home and show them that you are not much different than them, take them to a ball game, play MW3 with them etc anything other than inner city.
Since you feel so good about yourself, don't forget to throw a Turkey out of your car window this Thursday.
In America, Spanish people were not the victims of institutionalized oppression. You can't end slavery one day and think everything is going to be ok the next day. To this day we have blacks who lived through the separate but equal era.
I have to run but I will be back to continue on this topic.
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seriously?
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