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White America Has Lost Its Mind
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We're studying Film Noir in my Film class right now. It was awesome but it's so difficult to do it now without a "Production Code". It's like in those times having swag and being borderline horny on camera was all it took.
Just watch A Street Car Named Desire, Brando was on unclothing broads with his eyes, (no Romo)
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Well, it is quite obvious that you didn't make it out of kindergarten. I feel sorry for you!
Do you even have a bank account?
Smh dude think am lying about my race
This is a message board not english class and your not a english or history teacher so stopping acting like one
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Well, it is quite obvious that you didn't make it out of kindergarten. I feel sorry for you!
Do you even have a bank account?
Smh dude think am lying about my race
This is a message board not english class and your not a english or history teacher so stop acting like one
nat turner
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Manglor,
did you tuck tail and then run? What happened fella?
Here, I'll start! Black people cannot be racists.
Your turn.....
did you tuck tail and then run? What happened fella?
Here, I'll start! Black people cannot be racists.
Your turn.....
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Nikekidwonder wrote:
Well, it is quite obvious that you didn't make it out of kindergarten. I feel sorry for you!
Do you even have a bank account?
Smh dude think am lying about my race
This is a message board not english class and your not a english or history teacher so stopping acting like one
Well, it sure seems that you are in dire need of one!
Amongst other things....
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Honestly, I'm not all that familiar with martial arts movies, but one Asian movie I know that is pretty badass, and the kind that Tarantino rips off is Shogun Assassin. It's a samurai flick, but it's badass.Originally Posted by Nike Star Jay
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]JRS[/color], you film connoisseur you, how's about recommending me some martial arts movies? All I've been watching is old Dragon Dynasty films lately.
BTW, for the LOST fans:
The fight scene in Rebel w/out A cause is hilarious.
We're studying Film Noir in my Film class right now. It was awesome but it's so difficult to do it now without a "Production Code". It's like in those times having swag and being borderline horny on camera was all it took.
Just watch A Street Car Named Desire, Brando was on unclothing broads with his eyes, (no Romo)
I could only imagine what some of those movies would have wound up like if society was as liberal as it is nowadays when it comes to sexuality. Probably get a whole bunch of films looking like Caligula
Oh yea, and Brando is that dude
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You never answered my question, Mr. I saw a fork in a road and went straight. If a black person has disdain for other ethnicities, what is he? Would I be allowed to call him a bigot, or is that politically incorrect? What if he hates Jews, would he still be an anti-semite? Hates dentists, anti-dentite?
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You are allowed to call him whatever you want, but it would not make you correct. However, if he is indeed black, he is not a racist.
Now, lets talk about the article. How do you feel about it?
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I decided to repost this for all of those who actually read....Originally Posted by Nat Turner
Monday, Mar 22, 2010 20:20 ET [h1]"The History of White People": What it means to be white[/h1]
[h2]How bad science and American culture shaped a racial identity -- and why America can't stop obsessing over it [/h2]
By Thomas Rogers
In 2000, the Human Genome Project finally answered one of the most fundamental questions about race: What, if anything, is the genetic difference between people of different skin colors -- black, white, Hispanic, Asian? The answer: nearly nothing. As it turns out, we all share 99.99 percent of the same genetic code -- no matter our race -- a fact that, geneticist J. Craig Venter claimed, proves that race is a "social concept, not a scientific one."
But as Nell Irvin Painter explains in "The History of White People,"her exhaustive and fascinating new look at the history of the idea of the white race, it's a social construct that goes back much further and is much more complicated than many people think. In the book, Painter, a professor of American history at Princeton, chronicles the evolution of the concept of whiteness from ancient Rome -- where, she points out, the slaves were largely white -- to the 21st century America and explains how, in the era of Obama, our once-narrow concept of whiteness has become at once far broader and less important than ever before.
The elevation of some ethnic groups -- Germans and Scandinavians -- as "whiter" than others can largely be tied to a small number of scientists who shared an obsession with both measuring people's skulls and pinpointing the world's "most beautiful" people. As Painter writes, a number of social and demographic upheavals (which she dubs "enlargements of whiteness") over the last two centuries have gradually thrown many of those assumptions into question.
Salon spoke to Painter over the phone, about the meaning of "Caucasian," America's obsession with racial difference, and the real meaning of Stuff White People Like.
Why write a history of whiteness?
We've spent so much time in this country on various racial issues. It's our national sport, in a way, and it's always as if there is only one side: nonwhite. But this is one of those binaries where you need both sides to make sense of it.
I want to point out that this book is not about white nationalism. It's not about how bad white people are. It's about how we have thought about people now considered white. I used to encounter reservations about the project, and people would ask, "Why are you doing this as a black person?" People hear it's a book called "The History of White People" and that it's by a black author, and make assumptions.
We've all seen the word "Caucasian," usually when we're filling out forms, but most of us have no idea where it came from. What is a Caucasian, exactly?
It comes from Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, who applied it to a large swatch of humanity on the 11th of April, 1795, with the publications of the third edition of his dissertation, in Latin, about the varieties of mankind. He used the word "Caucasian" because he wanted to underscore the beauty of white-skinned people. He thought they were the most beautiful. He located these people in Europe, east into Russia, south into India and southwest into North Africa. The Caucasus is a border area between Europe and Asia and it's an area freighted with mythological baggage -- Jason and the Argonauts, Mount Ararat.
The Human Genome Project found that there's no genetic basis for racial difference. Is this the end of race?
This is nothing new. As long as there's been a discussion about race, there's been a disagreement about how many there were and how to make the distinction -- shade, color, height, where the hole in your skull is for your spine to go in, shape of the hand. There have been all these different criteria and nobody ever agreed. Even somebody like Blumenbach called them varieties. Varieties shade imperceptibly into one another. Different experts differed on how many varieties there are. Some people said two -- beautiful and ugly. Blumenbach said six.
But just as there's been the discovery that race is a concept with no scientific meaning, there's also been a cultural movement to rerace knowledge. When the genome was completed in 2000, the headlines were, "Race is meaningless," "We're all the same," and then three to four years later there came, "I am a race-profiling doctor." There was heart medicine marketed to black people. What's really interesting about finding race in the genome in terms of diseases is that diseases that have been discovered so far with a strong genomic cause are among white people, not black people.
Why do Americans have this persistent desire to create racial difference out of nothing?
Our culture was founded in 1789 right about the same moment that Blumenbach was inventing Caucasians -- this moment of racialization. Some people say race is in our national DNA so that we just can't get away from it. I don't know if we ever will.
As you write in the book, there were four great expansions of what America considers whiteness. What were they?
The first three are expansions of whiteness, because the assumption was that to be American you first had to be white. The first occurred in the Jacksonian era, in the first half of the 19th century, when citizenship criteria were changed from wealth to race. That's when adult males of any income were allowed to vote, as long as they were considered white. Things changed in the 20th century, when different groups came in as immigrants and people of Irish background were incorporated into the notion of American whiteness. The third great enlargement took place in the mid-20th century, starting with the New Deal in the 1930s and WWII. Politics and the mobilization of Americans to fight the Great Depression and to fight the Second World War opened up American-ness to people who had been considered alien races and their children and grandchildren.
We're currently in the midst of the fourth great expansion, which is an expansion of the idea of the American -- that an American doesn't necessarily need to be white to be considered American. "American" now includes Hispanics, for example, and people who identify themselves as multiracial. Because of this sort of great enlargement, we can no longer sum up the American as one person or the white man as one person.
What do you think is behind this latest change -- "American" no longer meaning "white"?
The two big reasons are immigration and the opening of the American economy after the Civil Rights Act. A huge proportion of Americans are now immigrants, and immigrants don't necessarily think in black-and-white terms. Less than half of immigrants identified themselves as white in the 2000. Now sometimes people who are white are identified by race. And in writing about the tea parties, for example, journalists will now often note that the crowd is mostly white, whereas before I don't think that would have been pointed out; [it would have been assumed].
How do you think the election of Barack Obama plays into this?
Whenever you tinker with one part of the equation, it affects the rest of it. I think to the extent that we realize that Obama has a white mother and a white family, this alerted us to the existence of people with parents from different backgrounds. People have been migrating and fornicating forever, so there's no such thing as a pure person, and I think Obama's background just puts that front and center in our attention.
It's conspicuous that many of the scientists who were trying to determine the "most superior" white race were obsessed with figuring out which race was best-looking.
Physical beauty and race were thought to be something physical and permanent that can be passed down generation to generation, but if you look at magazines from the 1960s or the 1920s, you see that ideas of beauty change. What I find so fascinating is that if you look carefully at the faces of many models today, they would not have passed as beautiful in the middle of the 20th century. Now we look more at bodies. We like bodies to be very thin -- like thinness is beauty.
Every few years there also seems to be a new fashionable ethnicity for runway models -- one year it'll be Russians, the next it's Brazilians.
It's called fashion for a reason. Popular culture is a many-splendored thing. I was in New York recently, where I saw a great big billboard of Kimora Lee Simmons, who is a brown person who is an embodiment of beauty. Then if you look at a fashion magazine, you'll see a parade of white people selling things. You can find it all.
In the 1960s you couldn't find that kind of array [of people], partly because there weren't so many outlets, but also because these markets were not seen as big. As brown-skinned people got more money to buy things, what they wanted to see began appearing in advertising. It's all bound up with advertising and marketing and purchasing.
One of the biggest whiteness-themed pop culture sensations of the past few years was the blog Stuff White People Like. Many people thought it was racist. What did you think?
I was a professor at Princeton for a long time -- and I did my Ph.D. at Harvard -- and I circulated among wealthy people. So much of what is considered "what white people like" is what middle-class people like. I live in New Jersey and we have middle-class people of every background and we all like those same things. It's very common, particularly in the 20th century, to make the equation that white means middle-class. It's a lazy equation, and as time goes by it becomes lazier and lazier
- Thomas Rogers is Salon's Deputy Arts Editor. More Thomas Rogers
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..and this for the people who actually wish to discuss the topic.
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But you didn't answer all of my questions, if he hates Jews is he an anti-semite? And dentists, anti-dentite? These are important issues in the Caucasian community, and answers are needed!
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Oh my turn again?
Ok.
"How many times have you been banned from NT under various names?
It's a simple question that i would assume is very easy to answer but you won't will you? You'll claim it's an attack of some kind or some such nonsense right?"
Don't wanna answer still?
Afraid if you lie a specific staff member will post an actual number?
You CONSTANTLY avoid any question that you don't like then state your same OPINION as FACT over and over again as though this is some game that must be played by your rules and if not you will take your ball and go home so to speak.
You said flat out you won't bother with my questions since i am not "credible" simply because your credibility was questioned but now you think that maybe i'll ignore that fact and stop asking stuff you don't wanna answer?
You tap out hard and fast and say you won't bother with my questions/statements then you try to goat me into starting all over with you?
Why do you think you are so important that only your questions are worth answering?
Why do you think you can question someone else's credibility but refuse to answer questions about your own?
How can you possibly think in a post about your OPINION that you yourself are exempt from scrutiny?
Like i said before you won't answer my questions so you automatically lose.
Everytime you mention my name but ignore my questions you continue to stack L's one after another after another.
It was slightly entertaining proving my point but now it's just a waste of time since you avoid everything time and again. You constantly lie about your past and without fail pick what is relevant and what isn't. That's too stupid to even be funny. In an actual debate you think saying i will not answer questions about that would be possible? No.
You lost so obviously but mostly you refused to even play after you called me out specifically.
Game over.
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This thread is beyond repair.
If you disagree with someone, remember that:
1) We have an ignore feature.
2) We have a report feature.
3) Insults are against the rules.
4) Trolling is against the rules.
5) Attempting to hijack a thread is against the rules.
Frankly, damn near all of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
If you disagree with someone, remember that:
1) We have an ignore feature.
2) We have a report feature.
3) Insults are against the rules.
4) Trolling is against the rules.
5) Attempting to hijack a thread is against the rules.
Frankly, damn near all of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
