Why aren't convicts being used in the US military?

[peks03]

believe it or not our military would like to start with the best recruits we can find, because it costs too much money to train what is basically a bad gamble. i will talk about the Navy since that's the branch i currently serve in. many jobs require a certain level of security clearance and convicts by virtue of being convicts will not pass for those jobs. we randomly screen for illegal drug use and there is a "zero tolerance" policy for that. we have even made salvia divinorum use a separatable offense. the military as a whole is down-sizing so we don't want to gamble what scarce money there is on personnel that we think might not fit in and are more likely to just get kicked out prior to completing their obligated service.

those stories of drug use and discipline problems are isolated incidents that are not readily tolerated in today's military and are actively sought and weeded out. the Army is less stringent than the Navy of course, because the jobs that we do are vastly different. the Navy and also the Air Force lean more to the technical jobs such as running ships, submarines, airplanes, etc. where a majority of the Army are soldiers that fight on the ground. obviously it doesn't take that much brain power to secure a village with rifles when you have an officer right there leading. i don't want some unreliable former convict that may or may not be on drugs working on a 50 million dollar jet.

 

[peks03]

believe it or not our military would like to start with the best recruits we can find, because it costs too much money to train what is basically a bad gamble. i will talk about the Navy since that's the branch i currently serve in. many jobs require a certain level of security clearance and convicts by virtue of being convicts will not pass for those jobs. we randomly screen for illegal drug use and there is a "zero tolerance" policy for that. we have even made salvia divinorum use a separatable offense. the military as a whole is down-sizing so we don't want to gamble what scarce money there is on personnel that we think might not fit in and are more likely to just get kicked out prior to completing their obligated service.

those stories of drug use and discipline problems are isolated incidents that are not readily tolerated in today's military and are actively sought and weeded out. the Army is less stringent than the Navy of course, because the jobs that we do are vastly different. the Navy and also the Air Force lean more to the technical jobs such as running ships, submarines, airplanes, etc. where a majority of the Army are soldiers that fight on the ground. obviously it doesn't take that much brain power to secure a village with rifles when you have an officer right there leading. i don't want some unreliable former convict that may or may not be on drugs working on a 50 million dollar jet.

 

[bottom74bottom]

Nah, I can feel that bruh. It's some high tech stuff with the AF and Navy. But what about "grunt work" and infantry? Aside from the money being lost, LIVES are being lost too man. Why not try some of these people that already threw their life away? I'm not saying give the DC sniper "Weapon Class 1" with Commando pro, I'm saying they should psych eval the most eligible candidates (those that have the potent to be up for parole on good behavior one day) and tell em "Dig this, you can do the next 10 for tax evasion or come work with us for 4 years. Choose."

 

[bottom74bottom]

Nah, I can feel that bruh. It's some high tech stuff with the AF and Navy. But what about "grunt work" and infantry? Aside from the money being lost, LIVES are being lost too man. Why not try some of these people that already threw their life away? I'm not saying give the DC sniper "Weapon Class 1" with Commando pro, I'm saying they should psych eval the most eligible candidates (those that have the potent to be up for parole on good behavior one day) and tell em "Dig this, you can do the next 10 for tax evasion or come work with us for 4 years. Choose."

 

[bijald0331]

Here I am thinking Peks was on the other side. Bottoms up.

 

[bijald0331]

Here I am thinking Peks was on the other side. Bottoms up.

 

[bottom74bottom]

You still cosigning this late at night? Logic ain't a team sport. Grow some.

 

[bottom74bottom]

You still cosigning this late at night? Logic ain't a team sport. Grow some.

 

[dipsetgeneral]

I have thought about this for years. It would make them into a better person.

(If they were to survive).

 

[dipsetgeneral]

I have thought about this for years. It would make them into a better person.

(If they were to survive).

 

[peks03]

Originally Posted by BOTTOM74BOTTOM

Nah, I can feel that bruh. It's some high tech stuff with the AF and Navy. But what about "grunt work" and infantry? Aside from the money being lost, LIVES are being lost too man. Why not try some of these people that already threw their life away? I'm not saying give the DC sniper "Weapon Class 1" with Commando pro, I'm saying they should psych eval the most eligible candidates (those that have the potent to be up for parole on good behavior one day) and tell em "Dig this, you can do the next 10 for tax evasion or come work with us for 4 years. Choose."

maybe several years ago in a different war i would tend to agree with you.  back in the day you could throw in anybody you have against the Nazis or the Imperialistic Japanese, because the sole mission is kill any and all the enemy even if it means several thousand civilians.  that doesn't really work with what today's military is being tasked with.  we are tasking our "grunts" and "soldiers" with being discriminant about who, when and how they kill an enemy that doesn't always wear uniforms and on top of that with today's 24-hour media watching their every move they are told to be ambassadors of good will in order to win the "hearts and minds" of the local civilian population in growing more unpopular wars that most don't know their native language or even share their same beliefs in religion.

no, the convict would be too much of a high-risk move in today's military climate.  we must continue to try and recruit and retain the best of best of America's youth.  are we going to get bad apples and make mistakes?  yes we are, but that doesn't mean we lower the standard because that would be contradictory to what we are trying to accomplish in our present conflicts/wars.

  

 

[peks03]

Originally Posted by BOTTOM74BOTTOM

Nah, I can feel that bruh. It's some high tech stuff with the AF and Navy. But what about "grunt work" and infantry? Aside from the money being lost, LIVES are being lost too man. Why not try some of these people that already threw their life away? I'm not saying give the DC sniper "Weapon Class 1" with Commando pro, I'm saying they should psych eval the most eligible candidates (those that have the potent to be up for parole on good behavior one day) and tell em "Dig this, you can do the next 10 for tax evasion or come work with us for 4 years. Choose."

maybe several years ago in a different war i would tend to agree with you.  back in the day you could throw in anybody you have against the Nazis or the Imperialistic Japanese, because the sole mission is kill any and all the enemy even if it means several thousand civilians.  that doesn't really work with what today's military is being tasked with.  we are tasking our "grunts" and "soldiers" with being discriminant about who, when and how they kill an enemy that doesn't always wear uniforms and on top of that with today's 24-hour media watching their every move they are told to be ambassadors of good will in order to win the "hearts and minds" of the local civilian population in growing more unpopular wars that most don't know their native language or even share their same beliefs in religion.

no, the convict would be too much of a high-risk move in today's military climate.  we must continue to try and recruit and retain the best of best of America's youth.  are we going to get bad apples and make mistakes?  yes we are, but that doesn't mean we lower the standard because that would be contradictory to what we are trying to accomplish in our present conflicts/wars.

  

 

[raptors29]

Originally Posted by LimitedRetroOG

They might shoot each other.

This image has me dying. 

 

[raptors29]

Originally Posted by LimitedRetroOG

They might shoot each other.

This image has me dying. 

 

[nako xl]

Originally Posted by DipsetGeneral

I have thought about this for years. It would make them into a better person.

(If they were to survive).

really?

thee are people in the military (and outside) who have never been convicted of a crime who are horrible people.

 

[nako xl]

Originally Posted by DipsetGeneral

I have thought about this for years. It would make them into a better person.

(If they were to survive).

really?

thee are people in the military (and outside) who have never been convicted of a crime who are horrible people.

 

[cwrite78]

Originally Posted by ElderWatsonDiggs

Originally Posted by sooperhooper

so you want people who have, for the most part, made horrible decisions with their lives to protect this country. You wouldn't question the integrity of the true convicts? You don't think they would release critical mission intel to the enemy for the right price?



I used to think it was a good idea, until I joined the military myself.

A good drill sergeant and a good Basic Training program does wonders for these type dudes. Fort Benning Basic Training for Infantry does a REALLY good job of molding all types of dudes into motivated young soldiers. I have seen a few fringe guys do a 180 and become some high speed dudes. It's not like they come right off the streets and handed guns and told to shoot the guy with the rag on his head.

this is true.

my uncle's brother was a gang member. did everything you could think of. guns, drugs, selling, gang banging.. numerous kids with different women. saw that he was going nowhere and joined the army.

dude is a completely different person now. more responsible, less crazy. dude still scares me tho

 

[cwrite78]

Originally Posted by ElderWatsonDiggs

Originally Posted by sooperhooper

so you want people who have, for the most part, made horrible decisions with their lives to protect this country. You wouldn't question the integrity of the true convicts? You don't think they would release critical mission intel to the enemy for the right price?



I used to think it was a good idea, until I joined the military myself.

A good drill sergeant and a good Basic Training program does wonders for these type dudes. Fort Benning Basic Training for Infantry does a REALLY good job of molding all types of dudes into motivated young soldiers. I have seen a few fringe guys do a 180 and become some high speed dudes. It's not like they come right off the streets and handed guns and told to shoot the guy with the rag on his head.

this is true.

my uncle's brother was a gang member. did everything you could think of. guns, drugs, selling, gang banging.. numerous kids with different women. saw that he was going nowhere and joined the army.

dude is a completely different person now. more responsible, less crazy. dude still scares me tho

 

[though]

Whoever thinks allowing convicts in the Military is a good idea is ******ed. Dudes who are trying to convince themselves its a good idea are complete idiots

 

[though]

Whoever thinks allowing convicts in the Military is a good idea is ******ed. Dudes who are trying to convince themselves its a good idea are complete idiots

 

[elderwatsondiggs]

Originally Posted by Though

Whoever thinks allowing convicts in the Military is a good idea is ******ed. Dudes who are trying to convince themselves its a good idea are complete idiots

The complete idiot and ****** is you. This has already been done and still happens, though the frequency varies according to how badly the military needs people.

 

[elderwatsondiggs]

Originally Posted by Though

Whoever thinks allowing convicts in the Military is a good idea is ******ed. Dudes who are trying to convince themselves its a good idea are complete idiots

The complete idiot and ****** is you. This has already been done and still happens, though the frequency varies according to how badly the military needs people.

 

[raptors29]

Originally Posted by BOTTOM74BOTTOM

Poor misguide NTers... here's a lesson in REALITY.







People resort to breaking laws when following the law isn't of benefit to them. If the benefits of following rules (i.e. freedom, health and dental) outweigh the benefits of breaking them (quasi-freedom as a fugitive OR being thrown back in prison), people tend to side with what's most beneficial. The majority of inmates ARE NOT sociopaths, they're just people that made one or two bad choices which left them with little to no legal options. If GIVEN an opportunity, a lot of people would actually make good on it. And if they didn't, you can still throw them BACK in jail.

Rolli, I already told you that I was not talking about snatching people off the street, regardless of whether they are a free-walking criminal or not. So whichever claims you make based on that assumption are irrelevant anyway. My statement was not ludicrous, your obliviousness is. If you think that the prisons are filled with 100% of all the criminal minded people in our society,

. It's wiser to assume any/everyone is a potential free-walking felon than it is to assume that just because they aren't in jail that they're "safe" to be around.

Thank you. Everyone's acting like all people in jail are just crazy and unfit for society. Yeah everyone's saying they can't be trusted with weapons in their hand, but what human can. What if someone just flips in Iraq and kills everyone and everything? 

 

[raptors29]

Originally Posted by BOTTOM74BOTTOM

Poor misguide NTers... here's a lesson in REALITY.







People resort to breaking laws when following the law isn't of benefit to them. If the benefits of following rules (i.e. freedom, health and dental) outweigh the benefits of breaking them (quasi-freedom as a fugitive OR being thrown back in prison), people tend to side with what's most beneficial. The majority of inmates ARE NOT sociopaths, they're just people that made one or two bad choices which left them with little to no legal options. If GIVEN an opportunity, a lot of people would actually make good on it. And if they didn't, you can still throw them BACK in jail.

Rolli, I already told you that I was not talking about snatching people off the street, regardless of whether they are a free-walking criminal or not. So whichever claims you make based on that assumption are irrelevant anyway. My statement was not ludicrous, your obliviousness is. If you think that the prisons are filled with 100% of all the criminal minded people in our society,

. It's wiser to assume any/everyone is a potential free-walking felon than it is to assume that just because they aren't in jail that they're "safe" to be around.

Thank you. Everyone's acting like all people in jail are just crazy and unfit for society. Yeah everyone's saying they can't be trusted with weapons in their hand, but what human can. What if someone just flips in Iraq and kills everyone and everything? 

 

[jzero23]

Originally Posted by devildog1776

Yall talking like PRISON aint a multi trillion dollar industry...

the manufactered enslavement of my people will not cease to serve the strategical extinction and spiritual enslavement of our people in this lifetime...

QFT... You really think they didn't come up with this idea already?