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lol guess no one saw the family guy where stewie visits a world without Christianity
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Originally Posted by kix4kix
And for the last time, the problem is people not religion.
preach... no pun intendedOriginally Posted by eye see soles
No.
Nothing controls a population like the unknown. And what's a greater controlling mechanism than religion?
Without that control it's arguable that we'd be worse off than we are now.
Exactly.Originally Posted by eghckk
Yeah I think thats the main problem I have with organized religion, not necessarily the message but the messengers who manipulate it and people blindly following.Originally Posted by NostrandAve68
A world without people who take religion and bastardize it to fit into their own ideology and spew their own hateful message would be better.
In essence, when human beings get their hands on the words of a "prophet" religion boils down to nothing more than a "my prophet is better than your prophet" pissing contest. While Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad may have actually existed at one time or another, the miracles that are usually attributed to them are more than likely no more than what I've just described.
I said that to one of my friend's the other day. The way the Bible is written in metaphors, hyperbole, as a piece of LITERATURE, itwouldn't surprise me if the miracles weren't anything more than ordinary actions that the father's of the church spruced up to make religion (andJesus) more exciting. I always like to think of that Family Guy skit where Jesus is performing that magic trick where you pretend to pull off yourthumb
Indeed.Originally Posted by PrurientSole
Religion is a scapegoat.
This. Humans will find something else to seperate us. Race, hair color, eye color, musical preference, ways to teach chemistry. Something nomatter what it is will divide us.Originally Posted by Dirtylicious
if it's not belief in "god" that's being misused by evil people......it will be a belief in another thing.
This is a common misconception about religion. Religion isn't what keeps man from anarchy, the laws created for the greater good of society iswhat keeps the "peace". More savage human acts (war, genocide, terrorism) have been committed as a result of religious allegiances.Originally Posted by ServeChilled81
It'd be complete chaos.
I don't consider my to be really religious at all but
I think that you need the belief that there is something beyond this life, and that to get there, there are certain rules that must be obeyed to achieve it.
I think that laws must stem from the belief in some kind of omnipotence or something.
Without that belief, what stops any of us from being complete savages?
Stop being an ignorant fool, read the posts and actually contribute. Tell us why it's an emphatic "hell" yes. You not explainingyour claims is the same as you not posting.Originally Posted by new york yanks
not going to read any of the replies because it makes no difference to me, but the answer is an emphatic "hell" yes.
This is a common misconception about religion. Religion isn't what keeps man from anarchy, the laws created for the greater good of society is what keeps the "peace". More savage human acts (war, genocide, terrorism) have been committed as a result of religious allegiances.
But what's one of the oldest pieces of law?
It is not the facts of religion that are in question though.Originally Posted by JohnnyRedStorm
Wouldn't the world benefit more if instead of abolishing organized religion, we further the education of people that claim to be religious? According to you (and I agree) the main fault of organized religion is the ignorance it allows people to envelop. If religious people studied religion at a deeper level, than just saying a couple of prayers and reading a passage once every five years you can wipe away the wrong that's caused by ignorant followers.
my thing is, where does the need for law come from?Originally Posted by Nike Star Jay
exactly.Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
This is a common misconception about religion. Religion isn't what keeps man from anarchy, the laws created for the greater good of society is what keeps the "peace". More savage human acts (war, genocide, terrorism) have been committed as a result of religious allegiances.Originally Posted by ServeChilled81
It'd be complete chaos.
I don't consider my to be really religious at all but
I think that you need the belief that there is something beyond this life, and that to get there, there are certain rules that must be obeyed to achieve it.
I think that laws must stem from the belief in some kind of omnipotence or something.
Without that belief, what stops any of us from being complete savages?
religion is growing weaker and weaker with each generation, so if you really believed that religion is what kept us under control, we'd be savages before long anyway. if anything, religion is just something extra to keep a psychological barrier on people's minds so that they're easily manipulated.
There will always be people in denial.Originally Posted by Master Zik
Didn't think that that many NTers believed humans are fundamentally evil.
With the way this thread is going the answer is to get rid of humans not religion? Right? Or do we not really care about the world being a better place and this is just a bunch of convolution since most people can't accept their own nature?
For what it's worth I would like to see a world void of belief. I'm curious to see a world dealing with certainty and that alone.
Yea I would if it was just a man made law. When I take my vows, under GOD, that's bond I wouldn't dream about breakin that law.Originally Posted by enlightenedespot
Originally Posted by Dathbgboy
No, I know a lot of ppl, includin myself who refrain from cruel acts because of religion. Had not been for religion I would have been offed somebody
What about adultery, if it wasn't against religion and law in the U.S. would you do it?
I think society as well as religion, can create social precepts.
In this rational world I figure a strict caste system would be set to wipe them out and make them meaningless.Originally Posted by JohnnyRedStorm
There will always be people in denial.Originally Posted by Master Zik
Didn't think that that many NTers believed humans are fundamentally evil.
With the way this thread is going the answer is to get rid of humans not religion? Right? Or do we not really care about the world being a better place and this is just a bunch of convolution since most people can't accept their own nature?
For what it's worth I would like to see a world void of belief. I'm curious to see a world dealing with certainty and that alone.
Hmm, that would be interesting to see if people would rebel against the caste system. This would be a really interesting world. I might have tocreate it, word to 1984.Originally Posted by Master Zik
In this rational world I figure a strict caste system would be set to wipe them out and make them meaningless.Originally Posted by JohnnyRedStorm
There will always be people in denial.Originally Posted by Master Zik
Didn't think that that many NTers believed humans are fundamentally evil.
With the way this thread is going the answer is to get rid of humans not religion? Right? Or do we not really care about the world being a better place and this is just a bunch of convolution since most people can't accept their own nature?
For what it's worth I would like to see a world void of belief. I'm curious to see a world dealing with certainty and that alone.