You know what, #%@! Chick-Fil-A!

[ill legal operation]

What Cathy says and the company does or doesn't support isn't the issue...

...The Consitution is.

In any event, keep dancing to the tunes of utterly worthless arguments.

 

[sir charles]

The funny thing is, everybody is mad at chick fil a saying "oh they are anti gay" "oh we can't stand for this" "we should protest" while they are waiting in the drive thru like everybody else.

If you are going to stand for something, stand by it as well.

I have chosen to stay out of it. You guys can fight if you want, I'm just going to sit back like I usually do, watch the protests and just chill.

 

[sir charles]

Go ahead. Shoot me

 

[Deleted member 38182]

The funny thing is, everybody is mad at chick fil a saying "oh they are anti gay" "oh we can't stand for this" "we should protest" while they are waiting in the drive thru like everybody else.

If you are going to stand for something, stand by it as well.

do you know this for fact?

 

[eracism]

LMAO @ this video. There has GOT to be more to life than this.

 

 

[yeold360s]

I didn't always agree with AntonLavey, but thinking that FutureMD is Anton is wayyyy off base, and an insult to him, in my opinion.

They are on opposite sides of the spectrum when it comes to arguing ability/competence.

For what its worth, I think the fact that this whole issue is even a hot-topic debate (not on NT but in general) shows how messed up the priorities are.  For people on BOTH sides.

 

[eracism]

Hold up... there was no free food given out? That's still pretty dumb to wait in long lines for free food, but they were all regular paying customers today? Tell me most of their restaurants were giving away free food.

 

[based mod]

Hold up... there was no free food given out? That's still pretty dumb to wait in long lines for free food, but they were all regular paying customers today? Tell me most of their restaurants were giving away free food.

nope. no free food. they just wanted to support chick-fil-a's stance on gay marriage.

 

[futuremd]

AntonLevey=FutureMD?

Is it not possible to substitute the word, "marriage" with another term?
A different word and institution that is unequivocally equivalent to marriage in terms of legal rights and benefits.
Parallel to the manner in which religious institutions receive tax relief no matter if it is called a church, synagogue, temple, etc. Such a case is distinct from the "Separate but Equal" fiasco, because the benefits of their union would be protected equally to opposite sex marriage, unlike the differences experienced in separate schools.

Wrong.

It is PRECISELY the same thing as separate but equal.

Have you all forgotten your American history?

This was basically Plessy vs. Ferguson. Technically blacks and whites had the same benefits, except that everyone knew they WERE NOT the same thing. They let one group have one title of legal advantages and let one group have another. 

If they're the SAME rights, call it the SAME thing. 

Don't be ridiculous. 

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Maybe i'm just being a negative Nancy in this situation but I never understood the meaning behind a lot of protest. Do people actually believe that if they don't eat at chick-fil-a then it's going to change their views on whether homosexuals should get married? Or that is going to hurt the business and cause them to shut down? As we seen from the pictures it looks like people are split in half on this issue.
 

Protests are the beginning of a process of civil disobedience.

Governments allow these because they can be easily controlled, yet the give people a way to "calmly" express their discontent.

Wait till CFAs pockets start hurting in liberal districts. They'll switch their tune.

If you knew their company culture, you would know that the bottom line is at least 3rd or 4th on their list of priorities. There's a reason why they have a cult like following. They chose to be closed on Sundays not just because it's a part of their religion, but because it's good for their employees as well. CFA has HEAVILY invested in their employees and and store owners and that is why their service is head and shoulders above any other fast food restaurant.

If people REALLY want to get their panties in a bunch, why not protest their headquarters for holding weekly Bible studies & prayer meetings there? They have been an openly Christian organization since Truett Cathy founded the company.

...So?

Five Guys Burgers posts Christian messages on the bottom of their drinking cups. There are eateries that give you pamphlets of aphorisms too. But they like to post happy-go-lucky random "pick me ups." Not "gayz iz the devil and have sex wit' chickenz!"

Again, you're making it seem like "well why aren't you doing XYZ?"

The fact that there is such an open distaste for CFA in the first place is a step.

Now they're protesting and you wanna ask: "Well why aren't they buying billboard Ads? Why aren't they writing letters to the governor? Why aren't they marching on washington?"

Are you going to challenge every step of resistance against CFA then act like its never "enough?" "

Watch. Once they start challenging the thing you suggest for them, you'll move the goal-posts even farther.

You're not interested in advancing the debate, you're just interested in trivializing the concerns of those who take offense to CFAs actions. 

 

[futuremd]

I love how they interviewed a woman and a black guy. Those two know NOTHING about religion being used to oppress people, do they?

 

[futuremd]

Jimmy Walker vs The Young Turks. Dude just ignores contradictory bible verses on racism like its nothing when pertaining to gay marriage. 

http://current.com/shows/the-young-...t-was-ever-against-gay-marriage-im-that-idiot

 

[marsiv]

 

[futuremd]

Your original comment was better.

But we'll just save it for another conversation. 

 

 

[futuremd]

The funny thing is, everybody is mad at chick fil a saying "oh they are anti gay" "oh we can't stand for this" "we should protest" while they are waiting in the drive thru like everybody else.

If you are going to stand for something, stand by it as well.

I have chosen to stay out of it. You guys can fight if you want, I'm just going to sit back like I usually do, watch the protests and just chill.

"The Negro's great stumbling block in the drive toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice."

 — Martin Luther King, Jr.

Your indifference harms those who have no one to fight on their behalf. 

Its easy for you not to care. Your rights aren't at stake. Just admit that you're selfish about only your rights and protection under the law. To hell with everyone else. 

 

[futuremd]

Nice post, and TRULY, doing things your own way and in a righteous fashion that supports and reflects your beliefs and heritage is exactly what our country is all about. Right, wrong, or indifferent- agree or disagree, thats it

Well...... I guess MD couldnt find anything wrong this, would rather just keep pushing opinion. Ok

[h1]The Chick Fellatio: stuck in the craw[/h1]
http://www.owldolatrous.com/?p=288

Posted on July 30, 2012

This post is all I have to say about the Chick-Fil-A controversy. It sums up various posts on the issue and various points made by my friends and I. From now own, rather than spend time debating this issue person by person, I’m going to point people here.

My hope here is to find common ground with those who have disagreed with me on the issue, and maybe to persuade. It’s not to ridicule or to best.

So, in the interest of common ground, let’s start here:  I acknowledge the absurdity of all this debate.

It’s definitely strange to have days-long Facebook debates flare up everywhere over a chicken sandwich. The anger, sarcasm, and hurt feelings on display seem strange or even laughable because most people have seen Chick-Fil-A as just a restaurant with a funny ad campaign. I’ll get into some of the whys and wherefores of that later. But, for now, let’s just say that, yes. It can seem ridiculous to get all worked up over fast-food chicken.

Let’s also agree that this isn’t about curtailing anyone’s rights under First Amendment. The Constitution is a legal document. This is not a legal argument. No one is arguing that Chik-fil-A CEO Dan Cathy should be put in prison, or silenced, or censored by the government. This has nothing to do with government censorship or government abridgment of Freedom of Speech. So don’t worry: the ability of this millionaire to legally spend his millions as he sees fit is not in jeopardy. You need not defend it.

Now, let’s get to the nitty-gritty of things. Please read carefully. These things have been said before, but not by me, and not all in one place. Please read with an open mind. If you can’t read with an open mind, please leave, take a minute, come back, and try again. If you can’t do that, then please don’t bother. Please read all of the words here, rather than just reading half of the argument and assuming you know what I’m saying. Read these words as they are written. Again, if you don’t want to read my words, then don’t continue.

So here goes:

1. This isn’t simply about marriage. Shocker, right? It’s extremely frustrating that same-sex marriage is the great continental divide. People are judged according to how they stand on this issue, as if no other issue matters. Did you know that a person can be for same-sex marriage and still be homophobic? Did you know that a person can be against same-sex marriage and be gay? We all get categorized very quickly based on the marriage issue and maybe that’s not fair. But here’s what you should know:

- In 29 states in America today, my partner of 18 years, Cody, or I could be fired for being gay. Period. No questions asked. One of those states is Louisiana, our home state. We live in self-imposed exile from beloved homeland, family, and friends, in part, because of this legal restriction on our ability to live our lives together.

- In 75 countries in the world, being gay is illegal. In many, the penalty is life in prison. These are countries we can’t openly visit. In 9 countries, being gay is punishable by death. In many others, violence against gays is tacitly accepted by the authorities. These are countries where we would be killed. Killed.

- Two organizations that work very hard to maintain this status quo and roll back any protections that we may have are the Family Research Council and the Marriage & Family Foundation. For example, the Family Research council leadership has officially stated that same-gender-loving behavior should be criminalized in this country. They draw their pay, in part, from the donations of companies like Chick-Fil-A. Both groups have also done “missionary” work abroad that served to strengthen and promote criminalization of same-sex relations.

- Chick-Fil-A has given roughly $5M to these organizations to support their work.

- Chick-Fil-A’s money comes from the profits they make when you purchase their products.

2. This isn’t about mutual tolerance because there’s nothing mutual about it. If we agree to disagree on this issue, you walk away a full member of this society and I don’t. There is no “live and let live” on this issue because Dan Cathy is spending millions to very specifically NOT let me live. I’m not trying to do that to him.

Asking for “mutual tolerance” on this like running up to a bully beating a kid to death on the playground and scolding them both for not getting along. I’m not trying to dissolve Mr. Cathy’s marriage or make his sex illegal. I’m not trying to make him a second-class citizen, or get him killed. He’s doing that to me, folks; I’m just fighting back.

All your life, you’re told to stand up to bullies, but when WE do it, we’re told WE are the ones being intolerant? Well, okay. Yes. I refuse to tolerate getting my *** kicked. “Guilty as charged.”

But what are you guilty of? When you see a bully beating up a smaller kid and you don’t take a side, then you ARE taking a side. You’re siding with the bully. And when you cheer him on, you’re revealing something about your own character that really is a shame.

3. This isn’t about Jesus. I have a lot of Christian friends. Most of them are of the liberal variety, it’s true, but even this concept seems lost on some of you. Most of them are pro-LGBT rights. Pro-gay and Pro-Christ are NOT mutually exclusive. They never have been, in the history of Christianity, though it’s been difficult at times. It’s not impossible to be both.

If someone is telling you it is, then maybe you should wonder why they’d do that. I see divorced Christians, remarried Christians, drug addict Christians. I see people with WWJD bracelets bumping and grinding on TV and raking in millions to do it. I see greedy, rapacious, vengeful people who are Christians. And these people are accepted in the Church, and the Church does very little to combat them. Sometimes it seems like being gay is the ONLY thing certain modern Christian movements won’t allow. Why’s that, I wonder?

Jesus had almost nothing to say about sexual behavior of any kind. He was too busy teaching more important things. Empathy is at the heart of his teachings. “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Remember that? It’s in red. So let’s examine that:

4. If things were reversed, I’d stand up for you.

Please think about this: How would you feel if KFC came out tomorrow and said they were spending money against equality for Asian Americans, or African Americans, or religious people? Really. Think about it. What would you do? How would you feel? How would you feel if, after their announcement, there was a big increase in KFC sales and I was all over Facebook supporting KFC. Please stop reading right now and imagine this. I’m serious.

You can stop now because it’s ludicrous. It would never happen.

Oh, I don’t mean the part about KFC being against some group. That COULD happen. I mean the part about me supporting them. Let me tell you something, and you can damn well believe it: I’d sign on for the boycott IMMEDIATELY.

Why? Well, because I believe in equality for all people, that’s why. But also, personally, from the bottom of my heart: because you are my friend, and I don’t willingly support people who harm you for just being you. How could I? How could I, really? But, more importantly for our purposes, how could you?

Seriously, how could you? What has Chick-Fil-A ever done for you? Sold you some fatty chicken at a ridiculous mark-up? Made you chuckle at semi-literate cartoon cows? You mean more to me than KFC possibly could. If I, in turn, don’t mean more to you than a chicken sandwich from Chik-Fil-A–if my life, my quality of life, and my dignity are such afterthoughts to you that you’d not only refuse the boycott, but go out of your way to support someone who was hurting me? if I let this stand, if I don’t stand up to the bullies and if I let my friends egg the bullies on, what does that make me?

Well, it makes me a Chikin.

Yeah, so suddenly it is cause for anger, ridiculous or not.

But I’m not going to stop being Facebook friends with anyone over this issue.

Instead, I will remain. And, when you see my face with my partner’s in my profile, maybe you will examine not simply what your opinions are about gay people, or gay marriage, or the first amendment, even; maybe you’ll  examine not merely your opinions but your values. What is friendship to you? What is loyalty? How important are human life and dignity to you? Are they more important than fitting in with your social group? Are they more important than loyalty to a corporate brand, or a political party, or some misguided church teaching?

That’s why we’re so angry. This is personal for us. There are times in your life when you have the opportunity to stand up for your friends. When you let that opportunity pass, your friends notice. It doesn’t mean we can’t be friends, but it diminishes you, and it diminishes the friendship. That’s how it is, no matter what the issue or what the venue.

So stand up. Stand up for us. Do the right thing. You don’t have to agree with us on everything, but repudiate Chick-Fil-A. Unlike them on Facebook. Withdraw your support for them. Join us in the boycott. If you can’t do that, then please ask yourself whether I’m your friend. In fact, ask yourself whether anyone is.

This is all I have to say. If you’d like to debate the issue further, I’ll do it, but I’m not going to go around and around on the same points. If you’re just going to repeat yourself, save us both some time. If you haven’t taken the time to actually read this carefully and actually consider carefully what I’ve said, then I see no reason to waste further words.

The ball is in your court. Again, I urge you to do the right thing.

 

[lobotomybeats]

Here's a video for anyone conflicted. I am sure there are some of you who love Chick-Fil-A, but also aren't really down for oppression. Enjoy.

 

[deuce king]

You're not interested in advancing the debate. 

Pot meet kettle.

 

[rashi]

Hillary Clinton yesterday: "Whether they are secular or religious, Muslim or Christian or Hindu or officially atheistic or anything else, governments have solemn obligations to protect the human rights of all citizens, no matter what religions they believe or don’t believe."

Hillary Clinton should be the last person to be talking about human rights. She has more blood on her hands as much as anyone.

 

[futuremd]

Hillary Clinton yesterday: "Whether they are secular or religious, Muslim or Christian or Hindu or officially atheistic or anything else, governments have solemn obligations to protect the human rights of all citizens, no matter what religions they believe or don’t believe."

Hillary Clinton should be the last person to be talking about human rights. She has more blood on her hands as much as anyone.

The pope prays for peace.

And? 

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You're not interested in advancing the debate. 

Pot meet kettle.

I must have missed your contribution?

 

[Lunden]

Pro or Anti dont make a difference

im still going ham with the 12 piece

I dont eat McDonalds or Burger King! Chik Fil A & Zaxbys are the only 2 fast food places I can actually enjoy my meal

 

[rashi]

The Pope?

 

[thorrocksjs]

When I look back honestly I can't support Chik Fil A,I'm ashamed of the folks who are making light of this saying oh we fries taste better than equal rights.Nah man just nah.Im not gonna mock and ridicule folks for protesting against a company that wants to make their lives miserable it's not right it's not what I stand for .a chicken sandwich and fries does not mean more than these people's rights .Sorry but I'm hoping off this bandwagon of stupiditand hypocrisy?

 

[club-27]

When I look back honestly I can't support Chik Fil A,I'm ashamed of the folks who are making light of this saying oh we fries taste better than equal rights.Nah man just nah.Im not gonna mock and ridicule folks for protesting against a company that wants to make their lives miserable it's not right it's not what I stand for .a chicken sandwich and fries does not mean more than these people's rights .Sorry but I'm hoping off this bandwagon of stupiditand hypocrisy?

well damn.

good for you though. seriously.

 

[futuremd]

The Pope?

Every child in Germany was apart of the Hitler Youth back then. 

I despise anything relating to the Catholic Church and even I can't blame him for that. 

 

[futuremd]

When I look back honestly I can't support Chik Fil A,I'm ashamed of the folks who are making light of this saying oh we fries taste better than equal rights.Nah man just nah.Im not gonna mock and ridicule folks for protesting against a company that wants to make their lives miserable it's not right it's not what I stand for .a chicken sandwich and fries does not mean more than these people's rights .Sorry but I'm hoping off this bandwagon of stupiditand hypocrisy?

Glad to hear that you're putting the thoughts of others ahead of your own. Its not easy to admit, but you'd want the same sort of respect if you were in their position.

Props.