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[awwsome]

season one of True Detective >>>>> season one of Breaking Bad


... that is all

Easily, BB didn't really get its mojo till S2.

 

[rolaholic]

^^

Agreed by far

Not sure if 1 season is enough for me to rank it among the All-Time shows but it's def one of the best 1st seasons I've watched. I'll see how they follow it up in season 2 first,hopefully they don't disappoint.

 

[coolnclutch]

Well it's not really fair to compare True Detective S1 to S1 of any other drama that has a plot that goes multiple seasons. This storyline was MEANT to last 8 episodes and the writers knew it so they wrote everything with this in mind so that the plot will be resolved by the season finale. For other shows, the storyline is just beginning by the end of S1.

 

[awwsome]

I guess you're right, I didn't really think about it like that.

 

[rolaholic]

Yea that does makes sense, I guess anthology shows should only be compared to other anthologies if anything

 

[mronegative]

season one of True Detective >>>>> season one of Breaking Bad


... that is all

O...kay.

Well it's not really fair to compare True Detective S1 to S1 of any other drama that has a plot that goes multiple seasons. This storyline was MEANT to last 8 episodes and the writers knew it so they wrote everything with this in mind so that the plot will be resolved by the season finale. For other shows, the storyline is just beginning by the end of S1.

Exactly. TD ain't up against S1 of BB. Hell, even for this Emmy, it's up against the back half of S5. Since it's an anthology show, that throws all the characters and places and stories away every season...that's 60-some eps vs. 8. I'll take Breaking Bad's 8 best against True Detective's 8 easy. And I'll take any of the first season of BB over TD's 7th ep.

True Detective had 1 long movie...a Journey to Carcosa or w/e you wanna call it. And it's the first film/TV thing the writer has put out himself. There's no promise of tomorrow with this show, because they're starting from scratch. It's like if right after The Sixth Sense came out, you're saying you're positive the next thing M. Night makes is gonna be amazing.

 

[calikev34]

people were debating the greatness of entire series vs one season of TD
i wanted to point out that season one of breaking bad was ****
no idea whos gunna win the awards or anything

 

[deleted]

It's like if right after The Sixth Sense came out, you're saying you're positive the next thing M. Night makes is gonna be amazing.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

If someone introduces themselves to the world with a fantastic piece of work, why should we be skeptical about their next contribution? Unfortunately for M. Night it was a fluke (even though I loved Unbreakable and Signs) but I think it's fair to assume that the next season of TD will be above average.

I fear I might be missing your point though

 

[mronegative]

i wanted to point out that season one of breaking bad was ****

I just...

Gets better later on =/= was garbage to begin with. BB was just a show that didn't quite know where it was going when it started, but it hit on way too many moments to call it ****. This is the people who came late, kept hearing how hyped it was, and then sat there on Netflix meanmugged wondering why they were watching such a slow *** boring old white guy Weeds. The "thank god for Gus" crowd. I mean, the RV and the bathtub and the broken plate and the mercury bomb.

Slow? Okay. "****?" Then you didn't like Breaking Bad. You liked a few moments here and there, when people died mostly, but you didn't like the show.

If someone introduces themselves to the world with a fantastic piece of work, why should we be skeptical about their next contribution? Unfortunately for M. Night it was a fluke (even though I loved Unbreakable and Signs) but I think it's fair to assume that the next season of TD will be above average.

I have no doubts that TD s2 is gonna at least be good. I mean regardless of Cary, Woody, Michelle and MM leaving...there was so much on the page for this show, that that's not just gonna suddenly go away. And between The Killing, Homeland and Dexter...the bigger ****ups a show like this could do been done. It's just when people already start ranking TD against the big shows at all...when it's the first thing dude has done, and he's starting from scratch in the 2nd season?

That's the type of overhyping that kills a show.

...

And what are people talking about when they say BB season 3 is the best? Do they know that season 5 lasted 2 years, and Gus vs. Walt was season 4? Or do the twins and One Minute put it over the top?

 

[calikev34]

though I do appreciate you telling me how I felt about the show
please calm down sir. just hold on, we're going home

 

[mronegative]

 

[calikev34]

10/10

 

[Benny Hinn]

The Emmys are a joke anyways. The Wire never won one for Christ's sakes. That's like MJ never winning an MVP. 

 

 

[ak nako]

^^

Agreed by far

Not sure if 1 season is enough for me to rank it among the All-Time shows but it's def one of the best 1st seasons I've watched. I'll see how they follow it up in season 2 first,hopefully they don't disappoint.

Can't compare True Detective Season 1 to other continuos shows.  Gotta compare it to a mini series like Top of the Lake or at least something like Luther.

 

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[h1]Dante, Redemption, and the Last "True Detective" Essay You Need to Read[/h1]BY LA DONNA PIETRA  | MAR 24, 2014 | 9:37 AM | PERMALINK

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[h2]Revisit True Detective  one last time, armed with Dante and prepared to find heaven and hell.[/h2]
In the middle of the journey of their lives, two men find themselves in a cane field, where the straight way is lost. One is prone to oracular statements; the other is dealing with the ramifications of his attraction to younger women. They travel to unexpected places, some spiraling deep underground, and learn just how much evil humanity can create and allow to fester. By the end, they come to a greater understanding of each other and the power of redemption.

This is not to say that Dante Alighieri’s Divine Comedy  holds all the keys to understanding True Detective; for one, it wasn’t all that hard to understand in the end, and for another, the time for that sort of wild-eyed pronouncement was three long weeks ago. Rather, both the epic poem and the television show are ultimately about how we sin and how we get saved. Dante organized both his Inferno and Purgatorio by categories of sin, which seems redundant until you realize that it’s one of the most important aspects of the whole epic poem. Hell is for the unrepentant; Purgatory is for sinners who are willing to be redeemed by suffering. Within each, souls exist in circles and terraces specific to their most important crimes against humanity and God.

Initially, Rust and Marty’s primary sins are pride and lust, respectively, which are also Dante’s big two. (Wrath is up there as well.) While Rust doesn’t much acknowledge his shortcomings, Marty categorizes himself in 2012 as a sinner of inattention. It isn’t one of the Seven Deadly Sins, but it underlies several of them; more important, his admission is the first step towards redemption.

For the unredeemable in both the poem and the show, the worst sins are those of treachery and betrayal:
[h2]Treachery Against Family[/h2]

[h2]Treachery Against the State[/h2]

 
[h2]Treachery Against God[/h2]

While Dante’s entire medieval Catholic concept of sin hinges on individual free will, True Detective’s is a murkier, more complicated notion that “sort of pump into a much larger system,” as director Cary Fukunaga put it in a recent interview. People may “always have a choice,” as Rust says in the final episode, but those choices are shaped by structures that may be invisible to them. The bad men who keep other bad men from the door are part of those structures as well, and it isn’t always as simple as doing what’s right or virtuous. Reggie Ledoux deserved to have his head blown half off, even if it did complicate the case something awful, and Joel Theriot tried to do what was right regarding those pictures but may have just driven the Tuttles into further secrecy. While Dante has faith that the problem with human structures—the Church, Florentine politics, and families—can be addressed by purging them of their sinful elements, Rust and Marty are some of those sinful elements.

Unlike most other detectives in crime fiction, they redeem themselves not by solving the crime and making up for their previous shortcomings with loved ones by proxy (hi, Mikael Blomkvist!) but by their actions along the way. Both Marty and Rust have learned by increasingly painful experience that they cannot go it alone. In life and in detective work, they need one another, as partners and friends. Granted, it took them seventeen years to figure it out, but given that a medieval Spanish theologian once calculated the average stay in Purgatory to be a thousand to two thousand years, they aren’t doing so badly overall.

“…the one supported the other with his shoulder,” Purgatorio, Canto XIII, line 59

But as with Dante’s repentant sinners in Purgatory, there are sacrifices that must be made. Marty may be reconciled with his family, but Mr. Sawyer still dropped them off at his hospital door, and goddamn but that’s a big rock Maggie’s sporting there. (One last wedding ring shot!  Dreadful shortage of **** references, though.) Rust has poured fifteen years of his life, what little sobriety he may have ever had, and nearly all of the blood in his body into this case, but his father and daughter are still dead. Despite all my snarking at the midpoint of the show, he has indeed reintegrated into domesticity, but only through a near-death experience. He hasn’t found God—this is a determinedly realistic show, despite all the occult hints that got the Internet going like Beth on bourbon at the Fox and Hound—but he has done something almost as unbelievable: remembered what it was to love. The potential for sappiness was vast, as even this unsentimental empiricist would ordinarily be more likely to interpret Rust’s epiphany as boring ol’ hypoxia. Nevertheless, I bought it because Rust did (and because McConaughey sold it so perfectly)

“As a cross-bow shot with too great a strain breaks the cord and bow and the shaft touches the mark with less force, so I broke down under that heavy charge, pouring forth tears and sighs, and my voice failed in its passage,” Purgatorio, Canto XXXI, lines 16-21

An essential part of Dante’s concept of salvation is that it can come through earthly love and passion, which has the unfortunate side effect of turning his muse Beatrice into a woman who exists solely to improve the life of a man, either as an artistic inspiration or as a heavenly travel guide. Plenty of critics complained about True Detective  doing something similar with wives, daughters, and murder victims, but the finale provided an unexpected angle. Rust found not only his daughter Sophia in that warm place, but his father as well. Given all the show’s pointed criticisms of failed fatherhood and Rust’s own earlier comments about the two of them “not really liking each other,” the notion that his pop would be a source of reassurance and comfort was at least as much of a twist as, say, Audrey being the Yellow King.

In the end, both the Divine Comedy  and True Detective  are getting at the same basic truth, which is that the only way to combat the darkness within ourselves is to form connections with one another. It may not be as exciting as analyzing the depravity that human beings are capable of, which is why everyone reads the Inferno  and hardly anyone gets through the Paradiso  (well, that and medieval religious philosophy about virtue doesn’t age very well). It may not be the real reason why people pay for premium cable, either. But it’s true, and it’s been true for seven hundred years and more, and it’s at the core of some of humanity’s greatest art.

Oh, yeah, and the last word in each of the three parts of the Divine Comedy? “Stelle,” or “stars.”

 

[ak nako]

tl;dr

 

[Ja's 2¢]

FX Chief Really Heated ..........did not know about FX getting out-bidded by HBO for it though

FX chief John Landgraf accused HBO, Showtime and Netflix of engaging in “unfair” Emmy submission practices by stretching the definitions of popular categories to score more award-season gold.

First Landgraf told reporters at his network’s upfront presentation to advertisers in New York on Wednesday that submitting True Detective as a drama was an “unfair” move, both because of the show’s stand-alone format and because networks are able to draw outsized A-list talent like Matthew McConaughey with the promise of single-season deals. “My own personal point of view is that a miniseries is a story that ends, a series is a story that continues,” Landgraf said. “To tell you the truth, I think it’s actually unfair for HBO to put True Detective in the drama series category because essentially you can get certain actors to do a closed-ended series — a la Billy Bob Thornton in Fargo or Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson in True Detective — who you can’t get to sign on for a seven-year [regular drama series] deal.”

The Wrap reported these initial comments, then Landgraf spoke to EW by phone to elaborate. The executive called the issue a “respectful debate” with his cable rivals. “It doesn’t make sense to put actors who signed on to do one year and perform the beginning, middle, and end of a character against those who are only showing one-fifth or one-sixth of that character’s journey in a season,” he said. “Matthew McConaughey is doing work every bit as good as [FX's Americans star] Matthew Rhys, but he’ll be competing against like one-sixth of the other actor’s performance. It doesn’t strike me as particularly fair. And I can see the entire series category eventually stacked with movie actors who signed on for one series of a show.”

The debut season of True Detective told a stand-alone eight-episode story and is expected to have a second season that has a completely different story and cast. Yet, HBO submitted the show in the best drama category rather than the movie/miniseries category, presumably believing the show and its cast has a strong chance of winning the arguably more prestigious series category and the acting categories that go along with it. HBO hasn’t won the best drama series category since The Sopranos went off the air in 2007. HBO dramas Game of Thrones and Boardwalk Empire have been nominated for best drama series, but have not won.

In another creative strategic move, Showtime got out of the way of the crowded drama category, switching Shameless from its usual drama category to the comedy category this year, while Netflix raised eyebrows by deciding to submit its hour-long dramedy Orange is the New Black as a comedy. “I don’t think Shameless or Orange is the New Black belong in the comedy category,” Landgraf said. “A comedy may have dramatic elements, but its primary goal is to make you laugh and look at dark things through the prism of comedy, a drama may be very funny but its focus is telling a dramatic story. The tendency is to [vote for] the performance that moves you and it’s distinctly unfair to have the actors who have the entire dramatic range at their disposal in every episode up against actors who are primarily trying to make you laugh. We faced this with Rescue Me. I think Rescue Me was one of the five funniest shows on television at the time, but it wasn’t a comedy.”

But what should be done to rectify the situation, if anything? Landgraf noted he’s on the TV Academy board and says there isn’t a clear-cut easy solution — either networks, producers, and studios decide which category best suits each show, or the Academy would have to set up a panel that determines which category each show needs to compete in. “My opinion is that there’s a compelling interest in having apples compete with apples and oranges compete with oranges … Am I insisting the Academy adopt this? No. Others have other arguments and may the best argument win.”

FX has previously faced criticism for entering American Horror Story as a miniseries despite the show continuing each year, a move that Landgraf has strongly defended. “That’s the definition of a miniseries,” the executive told reporters last year. “A miniseries is a show that has no continuing story elements or narrative elements between one group of episodes and another.”

Landgraf has some history with True Detective, as well. He previously said that FX was outbid by HBO to acquire the project and that the show’s creator, Nic Pizzolatto, told him he got the idea for the series from watching AHS. FX points out that its own upcoming stand-alone rural crime drama, Fargo, will compete in the miniseries category.
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And Rust Talking About Infinity In Those AT&T Commercials Spoof (Best Rust Impression I've Seen )

 

[whywesteppin]

lol at how salty FX is. not sure why these awards matter, outside stroking egos and having stuff to put on the DVD cover.

 

[water]

 

 

And Rust Talking About Infinity In Those AT&T Commercials Spoof (Best Rust Impression I've Seen

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 Just close your eyes 

Spot on 

 

[dman14]

been wanting to watch this for awhile but too busy
knocked all eight episodes in a couple of days
no need to wait a week, tv binging

one of the best shows in recent memory

and the best quote...
"i want you to ... in my ..."

 

[Ja's 2¢]

Oh please no. :x I'm all for a woman to be cast but there are better choices in tinseltown.

Some of Hollywood's biggest stars are clamoring to star in the second season of HBO's acclaimed crime saga True Detective, and now Emma Stone has officially thrown her hat into the crowded ring.

In a recent interview with Vogue, the The Amazing Spider-Man 2 star was asked about her interest in the role. "That would be amazing," she told the magazine. "I would do True Detective with Kristen Wiig in a heartbeat." The Internet has already weighed in on who'd they like to see assume the mantle from Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey, but a Stone/Wiig pairing might just trump them all. The comedic darlings aren't exactly known for their dramatic work, so to see them tackle something as verbose and sinister as True Detective could prove revelatory. Or, if the show's scribe Nic Pizzolatto wants to turn the second season into a screwball buddy comedy featuring the funny women, that could work too.

First they'll have to beat out another pair of young ingenues who've expressed interest in the roles. Ellen Page and Kate Mara have been engaging in a pretty ominous Twitter back-and-forth about the show, adding to speculation that they may be in the running for the coveted roles. "Dear @EllenPage, What does this mean?! You think they like the idea of two tiny detectives? #TrueDetectiveSeason2,″ Mara tweeted after HBO's official Twitter account favorited one of her earlier True Detective-related tweets. "@_KateMara I think that basically is the equivalent of a signed contract," replied Page. "I will see you in rehearsals!"

 

[ayzee]

Just started watching this. Love it so far 

The hell did I just watch in episode 4 though? 

Dude went undercover on some Lost and Damned steez on his own accord. Did not see that coming. Escalated quite quickly.

 

[solidus snake]

 
Just started watching this. Love it so far 

The hell did I just watch in episode 4 though? 

Dude went undercover on some Lost and Damned steez on his own accord. Did not see that coming. Escalated quite quickly.

One of the greatest scenes in television.

 

[Master Zik]

I'm for female detectives but only good actresses. Ellen Page? I like Wiig but I don't know if I could take her seriously in a role.

Kate Mara is cool and believable.

All them chicks named are frail as hell though.

 

[tego calderon el abayarde]

:x
I don't want none of them in the title roles. Their names are coming up because they're the females of the moment. I need a tough looking detective that can be taken seriously, not some chick that looks like she works at a Starbucks or a bookstore. I would take someone like Robin Wright, a woman who looks like she's seen some **** in her life.