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09 Boxing Thread:: 12/12 Diaz.vs.Malignaggi HBO/Bradley.vs.Peterson Showtime
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Punisher got some mean scar tissue on his eyelid. Looks like it can bust open pretty easily.
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PW proably wont come close to weighing in at 168
but your not making 147 PW so just stop talking about it
but your not making 147 PW so just stop talking about it
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anyone familiar with boxing seating? my friend is selling me tickets for 425 a piece for the pac/cotto fight. she says the section is ml or something like thatand theyre supposedly pretty good. dont know if i should pull the trigger. i need to see pac live at least once.
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I'm not sure what 'ml' is. It would help if you had the exact location.
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Pun reminds me of Ochocinco.....
I'm on the fence on this fight.
I'm on the fence on this fight.
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[h1]Diaz, Malignaggi not on the same page in terms of rematch[/h1]
By Dan Rafael
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: October 2, 2009, 8:59 AM ET
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Who's ducking who? Juan Diaz, left, and Paulie Malignaggi say it's the other that won't agree to terms.
[h3]Diaz-Malignaggi II roller coaster[/h3]
Can't we all just get along?
Apparently not very well as the talks for a rematch between former junior welterweight titlist Paulie Malignaggi and former lightweight titleholder Juan Diaz on Dec. 12 (HBO) have proved to be very, very difficult.
Several people associated with the fight told ESPN.com that they believe it will ultimately get done but, boy, has it been difficult.
"They are not happy unless they screw me like last time," Malignaggi said of Diaz and promoter Golden Boy. "But I'm not going to let them screw me this time. They nitpick everything. I've never seen such a bunch of babies. No matter what you do or give them, there's something else."
Diaz, of course, scored a controversial unanimous decision against Malignaggi when they met on Aug. 22 in Diaz's hometown of Houston. It was clearly a close fight, one that could have gone to either fighter. One judge, Raul Caiz, scored it that way, 115-113. But what caused the massive uproar were the other two scorecards, a 116-112 verdict rendered by David Sutherland and the one that really set folks on fire, an outrageous 118-110 card from Gale Van Hoye.
Throughout the promotion Malignaggi made an issue out of a judging panel he felt would rob him in Diaz's hometown. Sure enough, he left the ring feeling that's exactly what happened.
Malignaggi had also complained that the fight would take place in an 18-foot ring, a disadvantage for a fighter who relies on speed and movement, and that he was being forced to come down to 138½ pounds when he struggles to make the junior welterweight limit of 140.
With Diaz (35-2, 17 KOs) and Malignaggi (26-3, 5 KOs) having no other options if they want to fight again before the end of the year, and the August fight having been an entertaining scrap that produced strong HBO rating, talks began for a rematch.
At first, HBO offered only $750,000 for a doubleheader to be headlined by the rematch. That was the same as what it paid for the first one, so that was a nonstarter. Eventually, HBO came around and was willing to spend $750,000 for the rematch on its own, which enabled Malignaggi promoter Lou DiBella and Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy, which handles Diaz, to get down to business.
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Paulie Malignaggi dug deep against Juan Diaz -- only to come up short.
Earlier this week, the promoters agreed to a 50-50 co-promotion with the fight to likely take place in Chicago, a neutral site. Diaz and manager Willie Savannah had adamantly refused to come east to Malignaggi's New York turf. Sites in New Jersey and Connecticut were unavailable, DiBella said.
Also, the promoters agreed that the weight would be 139 pounds and that Malignaggi could have his 20-foot ring, the standard ring in many jurisdictions.
But not so fast. Malignaggi eagerly accepted, but Savannah turned it down.
Then on Wednesday, Schaefer came back to DiBella and said, based on what he had to pay Diaz, they could do a 60-40 co-promotion in Diaz's favor. And although Malignaggi could pick the ring size, Diaz was insisting on 138½ again.
DiBella countered saying their side would accept a 55-45 deal in Diaz's favor, but the weight had to be 139.
"Diaz and Savannah just seem to have no interest in the fight," DiBella said. "I made a deal with Richard but the kid wouldn't accept the deal. They just have no desire in dealing with Paulie again after what he did to Diaz in the first fight."
The deal meltdown led to both sides going on the offensive.
"I assumed when Golden Boy and I reached an agreement, that the deal was done, and I think Richard Schaefer believed it was going to get done," DiBella said. "I know that Golden Boy tried to make this fight with the license fee that was available. They were frustrated by unreasonable management and an unwilling fighter. … I guess Juan Diaz doesn't want to see his mother crying with her head buried in her hands again," which is what happened after the August fight.
Schaefer, although frustrated with Savannah, backed up his fighter.
"Let the facts be facts. Juan Diaz won the first fight," Schaefer said. "The only controversy was the wide margin on one of the judges' scorecards, so there is no reason for Juan Diaz to take short money to fight Malignaggi again. If Paulie wants to take short money and make it worth Juan's while to come to New York and beat him again, then let us know and we are ready. Juan is one of the most exciting fighters in the world and has a very loyal fan base in Texas, which turns out in big numbers to see him fight. If Paulie does not generate the same amount of money at the gate, then why should Juan be punished for that? Juan delivers in the ring every single time with a thrilling performance. There is no need for Paulie nor Lou DiBella to attack him in any way. Juan has plenty of other options which we will now diligently pursue.
"These options include a possible megafight with Juan Manuel Marquez, Robert Guerrero, the winner of [Joan] Guzman versus [Ali] Funeka or a potential showdown with Ricky Hatton in England should Ricky decide to return to the ring. We wish Paulie Malignaggi much success with his career."
Although the talks are still playing out, Malignaggi just wants to get it done.
"I'm dying for this rematch," he said. "I want to outclass this guy under the right circumstances. We still fought in an 18-foot ring at 138½. The only reason it was even competitive was because they had all the advantages. I want to get through this guy and put this behind me and go fight the big boys. But not under the wrong conditions.
"We have a little more leverage this time, but they are sick we even have a little bit of leverage. Even 55-45 for Diaz at 139 still isn't neutral. It's only a little more neutral than last time. I want the rematch under fair conditions. I'm so sick of these guys. I can't wait to put hands on Diaz again. If Juan is a real fighter, he will pull up his skirt and tell Willie Savannah he wants the rematch. Willie doesn't want to do a rematch because they can't screw me the second time around. In the spirit of competition, Juan should want a rematch and this rematch should happen."
[h3]Catching up with Kostya[/h3]
Former undisputed junior welterweight champ Kostya Tszyu (31-2, 25 KOs), who hasn't fought since being stopped in the 11th round and losing his title to Ricky Hatton in 2005 but has never announced his retirement, has been staying busy in his native Russia.
Tszyu, who turned 40 on Sept. 19, has been opening boxing schools in Russia with the assistance of the government.
"I have been working with the trainers to make sure that these new facilities give children the best opportunities to be healthy and strong," said Tszyu, who is now back in Australia, his adopted country. "This project has been a big responsibility for me because I don't like to do things halfway. That is why I have spent so much time in Russia this year to make sure it is done properly. Building these sporting centers is a joint initiative between government and private industry. It is complicated, but I will make it work."
Tszyu said he plans to come to the Miguel Cotto-Manny Pacquiao fight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, the same arena where he won his first title via sixth-round knockout of Jake Rodriguez in 1995.
"I don't think this is going to be an easy fight for Manny Pacquiao because Miguel Cotto is a very talented fighter and a big guy for the Pacman to face at welterweight, even bigger than Oscar De La Hoya. Cotto is very strong and Pacquiao will need to be at his best. But Pacquiao is a great fighter and I am looking forward to seeing him in action live."
Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com.
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I still like my dude Jermaine..
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I thought he was the real deal..
I thought he was the real deal..
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Jermaine was a good fighter but he's ready to become a journeyman fighter. Could have been a great fighter if trained properly that Froch loss sealed thedeal.
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^^^ I dunno. I might be in the minority but I think that Froch bout proved that JT can still contend in the division. Son was 20 sec. from winning a worldtitle.....
The opening round round pairings for the tourney doesn't make sense. Froch should be fighting either Ward (mandatory) or JT (rematch), IMO.
Bum Arreola is off my sig.....he's replaced with my favorite fighter growing up.
The opening round round pairings for the tourney doesn't make sense. Froch should be fighting either Ward (mandatory) or JT (rematch), IMO.
Bum Arreola is off my sig.....he's replaced with my favorite fighter growing up.
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Glad you realized what he is Rob.
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JLC coming to the PI to be Pac's sparring partner.. wasn't his last fight against Hatton? like 2 or 3 years ago?
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Coulda sworn his last fight was some independent card in Mexico and he still failed to make weight
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Here's the guy Roach was trying to as a sparring partner for Pacquiao but it isn't going to happen because of conflicts with his school schedule.� Thisis about as close as you can come to getting someone who can mimic Cotto.
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yeah, he's a cotto clone. he posts at miguelangelcotto.com and pacquiao fans posting there were practically begging the guy to come to bagiuo, lol.
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It would have been interesting to how he handled that guy...
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Now that sounds dope.
I'd watch that
I'd watch that
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Great move Showtime , NFL films production mixed with boxing should be great . JLC should give Manny good work with infighting and a guy cutting off the rightand just a bigger man in general
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music by NFL Films award-winning composure David Robidoux.
this is gonna be dope
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Can't wait for this Super 6 tourney to kick-off
