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Originally Posted by manamazing55
Originally Posted by 5am6oody72
manamazing, Coaches are supposed to log the calls they make for recruiting and stuff and have the compliance office check it every month, that's one reason university issued phones exist. UNC turned over Butch's university phone records because the NCAA requested them, but there were no calls on his phone since he used the 216 phone. That is an issue on its own.
Butch might not have any accusations against him, but he is the head of the football program, and the accusations are against people (Blake, Jennifer Wiley) that are affiliated with the program through Butch. Butch and Blake had a relationship for decades and were good friends; when he put together his staff it's his job to make hires in the best interests of the program. If I'm managing a store or running a company and I bring in two of my lifelong friends as assistant managers, it reflects poorly upon me if they end up getting caught stealing money from the company or being amoral. From the standpoint of the people who run the company, it doesn't really matter whether or not I knew that my friends would steal, it only matters that it happened and due to my poor judgment the company is now at a loss. That makes me indirectly responsible for the actions of the people whom I hire.
It's also incumbent upon him to make sure that his life outside of football doesn't hurt the program. Employing a tutor who was dismissed by the university for improper assistance with players is a poor decision for the head of the football team to make. Even if it wasn't intentionally done (hard to believe), Butch willfully kept around somebody who had already done damage to the team by affecting players' eligibility. It's a pretty damning coincidence that she also paid $1700 worth of parking tickets for a player when she was only a teacher/tutor. My mom is a teacher and so are several friends, none of them would have that kinda extra money to throw around.
So yea there has not been any hard evidence that proves Butch was directly involved, but the mountain of circumstantial evidence is very hard to ignore and doesn't make him a good representative of the program. There was no hard evidence that proved Casey Anthony killed her daughter, but with the circumstantial evidence + the way she acted I sure wouldn't let her babysit my kids.
I get our point. Let me offer counterpoints to some of it. Wiley was not accussed of any wrong doing until after she was tutoring Butch's son, Drew. Wiley was hired by the College of Arts and Sciences run by Holden Thorp.
The whole theory about her paying Greg Little's parking tickets was that he had a "relationship" with him. I'm not in a position to say if thats true or not, but I wouldnt doubt it.
But even if we disagree on Butch's negligence or not, can you at least agree that it makes no sense to wait 8 days before camp starts to pull this trigger?
I'm not 100% but I'm pretty sure when I read the transcript of the convo during McAdoo's appeal they said that Wiley had been warned by compliance people or somebody similar to cease involvement with tutoring players because they thought she was doing too much. Then she graduated and was hired by Butch, and then the McAdoo incident occurred.
I definitely do agree that the timing of the firing was awful. I don't know if you saw my post the night Davis got fired (the info I got was from some guy on a VT board who knows a lady that is either on the BOT or has a family member on there, I can't remember which). She said last year that there was some disagreement within the BOT about whether he should have been fired then, and the side that wanted to keep him outweighed those that wanted to fire him at the time. Now with the new members being sworn in and his supporters gone, it looked like Thorp wanted to fire him all along but couldn't get the go ahead til now. It seemed more apparent when I saw him asked a question about whose decision it was and why now and he kinda had a smirk when he answered it as if he was relieved and glad to have finally fired him.
