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Originally Posted by CP1708
I hear ya on the Dwight hype, I feel ya, but to me, Nash set the precedent. You can do average numbers, and win MVP, 2 years straight in fact.
Nash had an elite offense
Rose has an elite defense.
Those get them the team wins that qualify them for "MVP" status.
Maybe now people will start to see why I was screaming about Stockton, or Kidd, or Payton never winning, and now Paul and Deron have been left out, but Nash got the award twice.Rose is doin better work now then what Nash was, and in fact, he's doing it during a more difficult time. Nash did it when Paul and Deron and the like were all kids, there weren't really any elite PG's in the game. Rose is doing this now, with PG's EVERYWHERE in the league doin well. That's more impressive imo then his offense made a lot of 3's.
Originally Posted by CP1708
I hear ya on the Dwight hype, I feel ya, but to me, Nash set the precedent. You can do average numbers, and win MVP, 2 years straight in fact.
Nash had an elite offense
Rose has an elite defense.
Those get them the team wins that qualify them for "MVP" status.
Maybe now people will start to see why I was screaming about Stockton, or Kidd, or Payton never winning, and now Paul and Deron have been left out, but Nash got the award twice.Rose is doin better work now then what Nash was, and in fact, he's doing it during a more difficult time. Nash did it when Paul and Deron and the like were all kids, there weren't really any elite PG's in the game. Rose is doing this now, with PG's EVERYWHERE in the league doin well. That's more impressive imo then his offense made a lot of 3's.
The Bulls without derrick rose would probably be a team like the Charlotte Bobcats last year, really bad offense but defense is so smothering that they still win about 47 games.
LOL.
You dudes really do go out of your way to post nonsense...
The Bulls without derrick rose would probably be a team like the Charlotte Bobcats last year, really bad offense but defense is so smothering that they still win about 47 games.
LOL.
You dudes really do go out of your way to post nonsense...
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
There was an excellent post on Basketball Reference breaking down the Rose has no teammates argument, which is just flat out untrue.
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
There was an excellent post on Basketball Reference breaking down the Rose has no teammates argument, which is just flat out untrue.
LOL.Originally Posted by S4L3
The Bulls without derrick rose would probably be a team like the Charlotte Bobcats last year, really bad offense but defense is so smothering that they still win about 47 games.
LOL.Originally Posted by S4L3
The Bulls without derrick rose would probably be a team like the Charlotte Bobcats last year, really bad offense but defense is so smothering that they still win about 47 games.
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
There was an excellent post on Basketball Reference breaking down the Rose has no teammates argument, which is just flat out untrue.
The Chicago Bulls when D. Rose is on the court outscore the other team by 5 points, when he steps off the court they outscore opponents by 2.3 points, that basically means that without Derrick Rose the Bulls are still a playoff caliber team and they would win about as many games as Hornets or Thunder.
The Bulls without derrick rose would probably be a team like the Charlotte Bobcats last year, really bad offense but defense is so smothering that they still win about 47 games.
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
There was an excellent post on Basketball Reference breaking down the Rose has no teammates argument, which is just flat out untrue.
The Chicago Bulls when D. Rose is on the court outscore the other team by 5 points, when he steps off the court they outscore opponents by 2.3 points, that basically means that without Derrick Rose the Bulls are still a playoff caliber team and they would win about as many games as Hornets or Thunder.
The Bulls without derrick rose would probably be a team like the Charlotte Bobcats last year, really bad offense but defense is so smothering that they still win about 47 games.
You know, there is a reason it's called "adjusted", I think you can probably guess what they adjust for.Originally Posted by amel223
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
There was an excellent post on Basketball Reference breaking down the Rose has no teammates argument, which is just flat out untrue.
The Chicago Bulls when D. Rose is on the court outscore the other team by 5 points, when he steps off the court they outscore opponents by 2.3 points, that basically means that without Derrick Rose the Bulls are still a playoff caliber team and they would win about as many games as Hornets or Thunder.
The Bulls without derrick rose would probably be a team like the Charlotte Bobcats last year, really bad offense but defense is so smothering that they still win about 47 games.All your post proves is that the Bulls's bench defense>opponent's bench defense. Which is trueI'm proud of our bench.
Love how you're completely ignoring that Raymond Felton manned the offense for those Charlotte Bobcats. After DRose we don't have any body who can quarterback like Felton.