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2013 Scion FR-S First Drive

A Sports Car Worth Waiting For

By Matt Prior, Contributor|Published Nov 15, 2011
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Like an impatient child told in February what he's getting for Christmas, our wait for the 2013 Scion FR-S Coupe has seemed an interminable one. First there were clues, then a Toyota concept, then a Scion concept. Then...nothing.

This time, however, we've finally driven it, or at least a prototype of the Scion FR-S. And we're glad to announce that it's very much the car we've been waiting for — figuratively, not just literally.

Clearly, this is a sports car that had its development driven by feel and intuition, not lap times and lateral grip levels. "Sports cars have gotten boring," Toyota officials told us. "They're only interested in going fast." So the FR-S aims to bring speeds down but push enjoyment up. Is that really possible?
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Yeah, There's Plenty of Subaru in This Scion
By now you've heard that the 2013 Scion FR-S is built on a rear-wheel-drive platform co-developed with Subaru. It'll be called the Subaru BRZ, and the production version will debut at the Tokyo auto show in just two weeks. We still don't have all the technical details, but we can tell you that it's about as small as a sports car can get while still offering four seats.

For reference, the FT-86 II concept shown at the Geneva auto show earlier this year measured 166.7 inches long, 50 inches high and 70.7 inches wide. It also had a short wheelbase that measured a mere 101.2 inches, or 5 inches shorter than the wheelbase of the Scion tC coupe. The dimensions of this prototype are at least that tight, if not tighter.

Keeping the size down helped control the weight, too. At just 2,822 pounds, the FR-S undercuts the tC by around 300 pounds. Couple that with the 2.0-liter flat-4 engine that produces roughly 197 horsepower and the FR-S looks pretty good on paper. Figure in the six-speed manual transmission and limited-slip differential and the FR-S starts to really look good.

Feels Good, Too
First impressions are that it feels light and compact, not unlike a Mazda MX-5 or the last Toyota MR2. The driving position is low, straight and snug. The front seats are grippy, the rear seats tiny. Think of it as a poor man's Porsche 911 and it feels just fine.

You'll have a harder time channeling those thoughts when it comes to the car's powertrain. The 2013 Scion FR-S is no stoplight hero. It's not slow either, though, so ripping through the precise six-speed shifter feels satisfying. There's a broad power curve and the engine revs clear up to 7,500 rpm, but like a typical Subaru boxer engine, there's no desperate need to wind it that far.
You'll be glad to know that the stability control system can be switched completely off.


You'll be glad to know that the stability control system can be switched completely off. That means the FR-S has burnout potential even if it's a little low on displacement. We were glad to get some seat time, so we didn't bother roasting the rubber this time out.

A Scion That Slides
It's hard to accurately gauge the ride on the concrete airfield where we drove the prototype, but the FR-S feels quite deftly set up and light on its feet. It steers easily, too. At 2.5 turns lock to lock, it has a quick but not hyperactive rack, and is light to average in terms of its assist. It all adds to the impression of a car that's easy to get along with right from the start.

Hit a corner and you'll find some roll, but the rate is well contained. The 2013 Scion FR-S's weight distribution is 53/47 percent front/rear, so it'll nudge into steady-state understeer if you're on a constant throttle, where it grips moderately well and is poised.

Push any harder and the FR-S starts to get really fun. Add any amount of power and it'll turn at least neutral. Trail the brakes into a bend, lift midcorner and it'll give you armfuls of oversteer. For that alone, the FR-S is better than any Scion coupe before it.
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There's still a bit of tweaking to do on the damping, but it's 90 percent of the way there, at least according to our limited time behind the wheel. The gearing isn't always perfect either, at least if you want to pitch it into a long turn and hold a slide. Third gear just doesn't have the guts, so serious momentum is the only way to keep playing games with the chassis.

More Power?
Of course more power would be nice. But more power means a turbo, stronger brakes and maybe even bigger wheels and tires to go with them. All that adds weight, and that's where the downward spiral starts, right?

That's Toyota's thinking, at least for now. We can't argue with that reasoning either. More stuff equals more cost, too, and the 2013 Scion FR-S is supposed to be an affordable rear-drive sports car for the masses.

As it is now, that's exactly what it is, and a good one at that. There's no doubt a hotter, 200-plus-horse FR-S will arrive eventually, but until then this first attempt feels as it should. The handling is well sorted, the engine has usable power and you can even turn off the nannies to have some real fun. This might have been worth waiting for after all.

Edmunds attended a manufacturer-sponsored event, to which selected members of the press were invited, to facilitate this report.
 
I just feel like even at 2800 lbs, 200 hp isnt enough.

Thats almost identical to a 1995 Honda Preludes curb weight/power output and those things are dog slow.

Im sure the drivetrain on the ft86 will be much more efficiant the prelude, but without serious modifications owners of these things will be the joke of any racing circle.
 
I just feel like even at 2800 lbs, 200 hp isnt enough.

Thats almost identical to a 1995 Honda Preludes curb weight/power output and those things are dog slow.

Im sure the drivetrain on the ft86 will be much more efficiant the prelude, but without serious modifications owners of these things will be the joke of any racing circle.
 
Man it sucks that this car will be too small for me 6'4"

However 200hp at the 2880 pound limit should be decent. You know power will be all in the hands of the buyer because performance manufactures will be all over this car. However I'd still want Subaru's version it's going to be AWD. 300hp in this small package will be amazing. You short people have all the fun when it comes to cars MR2, S2000, 300zx 350z 370z. and so on.
 
Man it sucks that this car will be too small for me 6'4"

However 200hp at the 2880 pound limit should be decent. You know power will be all in the hands of the buyer because performance manufactures will be all over this car. However I'd still want Subaru's version it's going to be AWD. 300hp in this small package will be amazing. You short people have all the fun when it comes to cars MR2, S2000, 300zx 350z 370z. and so on.
 
Originally Posted by CAFinest23

Man it sucks that this car will be too small for me 6'4"

However 200hp at the 2880 pound limit should be decent. You know power will be all in the hands of the buyer because performance manufactures will be all over this car. However I'd still want Subaru's version it's going to be AWD. 300hp in this small package will be amazing. You short people have all the fun when it comes to cars MR2, S2000, 300zx 350z 370z. and so on.

No. It's not.
 
Originally Posted by CAFinest23

Man it sucks that this car will be too small for me 6'4"

However 200hp at the 2880 pound limit should be decent. You know power will be all in the hands of the buyer because performance manufactures will be all over this car. However I'd still want Subaru's version it's going to be AWD. 300hp in this small package will be amazing. You short people have all the fun when it comes to cars MR2, S2000, 300zx 350z 370z. and so on.

No. It's not.
 
Originally Posted by quik1987

Originally Posted by CAFinest23

Man it sucks that this car will be too small for me 6'4"

However 200hp at the 2880 pound limit should be decent. You know power will be all in the hands of the buyer because performance manufactures will be all over this car. However I'd still want Subaru's version it's going to be AWD. 300hp in this small package will be amazing. You short people have all the fun when it comes to cars MR2, S2000, 300zx 350z 370z. and so on.

No. It's not.


I knew it wasn't going to have 300hp I was just saying that it would be amazing for a car this size with the right performance upgrades. Guess I worded that wrong.It's not AWD? That's turrible but I guess it makes sense if they want to keep the weight down.
 
Originally Posted by quik1987

Originally Posted by CAFinest23

Man it sucks that this car will be too small for me 6'4"

However 200hp at the 2880 pound limit should be decent. You know power will be all in the hands of the buyer because performance manufactures will be all over this car. However I'd still want Subaru's version it's going to be AWD. 300hp in this small package will be amazing. You short people have all the fun when it comes to cars MR2, S2000, 300zx 350z 370z. and so on.

No. It's not.


I knew it wasn't going to have 300hp I was just saying that it would be amazing for a car this size with the right performance upgrades. Guess I worded that wrong.It's not AWD? That's turrible but I guess it makes sense if they want to keep the weight down.
 
Originally Posted by finnns2003

The more I learn, the sweeter that slightly used s2000 looks.


Go with the s2000 fam that rev happy engine is so nice with a turbo. Just make sure you that a hard top on it. They look ill with them.
 
Originally Posted by finnns2003

The more I learn, the sweeter that slightly used s2000 looks.


Go with the s2000 fam that rev happy engine is so nice with a turbo. Just make sure you that a hard top on it. They look ill with them.
 
Can't really compare a Prelude to it because the Prelude is FWD and wasn't designed to be a true sports car. A better comparison from that era would be the 240SX and even the second generation MR2 Turbo.

250HP for the mid-cycle refresh? Hyundai did some work with the refreshed Genesis Coupe and although they are in different segments and serve different purposes, the general public will still compare them due to similar pricing. Pressure on Toyota and Subaru? I doubt it...

Used S2000 CR?
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Can't really compare a Prelude to it because the Prelude is FWD and wasn't designed to be a true sports car. A better comparison from that era would be the 240SX and even the second generation MR2 Turbo.

250HP for the mid-cycle refresh? Hyundai did some work with the refreshed Genesis Coupe and although they are in different segments and serve different purposes, the general public will still compare them due to similar pricing. Pressure on Toyota and Subaru? I doubt it...

Used S2000 CR?
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Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

Can't really compare a Prelude to it because the Prelude is FWD and wasn't designed to be a true sports car. 
Agreed. The car industry has made so much stride from a decade ago that it really isn't even a fair comparison at all. I still think 200hp is more than sufficient.
 
Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

Can't really compare a Prelude to it because the Prelude is FWD and wasn't designed to be a true sports car. 
Agreed. The car industry has made so much stride from a decade ago that it really isn't even a fair comparison at all. I still think 200hp is more than sufficient.
 
Because the engine in this car has the same mounting points as the (300hp) sti engine, they should be easily swappable.

The latest rumours are:

- ECU is programmable
- convertible is in the works
- 250 hp model is in the works
 
Because the engine in this car has the same mounting points as the (300hp) sti engine, they should be easily swappable.

The latest rumours are:

- ECU is programmable
- convertible is in the works
- 250 hp model is in the works
 
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