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Yeah, definitely hard top.
Hey not a big deal to have fun with it.
Used S2000 CR?
Would be wonderful.
2012 Toyota GT-86 / SCION FRS/ BRZ - FRS $24,930 MSRP
Hey not a big deal to have fun with it.
Would be wonderful.
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Yeah, definitely hard top.
Hey not a big deal to have fun with it.
Used S2000 CR?
Would be wonderful.
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I can, and I did.
I was just stating the curb weight and power output are almost exactly the same as a 95 'lude, which is dog slow by todays standards. Its 2011 going on 2012, 200hp simply is not enough to be considered a "sports car" unless your driving a car that weighs less than a sand rail
Even with its superior handling the ft86 will be eating the dust of more powerful competitors as soon as that curve breaks into a straight away.
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I can, and I did.
I was just stating the curb weight and power output are almost exactly the same as a 95 'lude, which is dog slow by todays standards. Its 2011 going on 2012, 200hp simply is not enough to be considered a "sports car" unless your driving a car that weighs less than a sand rail
Even with its superior handling the ft86 will be eating the dust of more powerful competitors as soon as that curve breaks into a straight away.
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You never drove a Miata?Originally Posted by dankenstien88
I can, and I did.
I was just stating the curb weight and power output are almost exactly the same as a 95 'lude, which is dog slow by todays standards. Its 2011 going on 2012, 200hp simply is not enough to be considered a "sports car" unless your driving a car that weighs less than a sand rail. Given the the Prelude had rating of 200hp all the way back in 1995, it is fair to say the Prelude was a much "sportier" car for the time, and the ft needs to step it up for todays generation.
Even with its superior handling the ft86 will be eating the dust of more powerful competitors as soon as that curve breaks into a straight away.
This is also the second time you have complained about the 200HP. Do you want me to just re-post the last responses to your complaint? Time to move on.
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dankenstien88 wrote:
Even with its superior handling the ft86 will be eating the dust of more powerful competitors as soon as that curve breaks into a straight away.
Compare to what though? The Genesis coupe? 370Z that might be $5k-$7k more? V6 Mustang? If it does, so what?
It isn't always the straight line time, this car isn't made for that. Look at the Porsche Boxster/Cayman, it's regarded as one of the best around to drive and plenty of people has described it as the best sports car they have ever driven. That is a 245hp, $60k car and it isn't going to beat any 370z off the line, heck a 3.5 liter Accord coupe can beat a Cayman in a drag race. This isn't the car for you if you plan to smoke everyone when the stoplight turns green, buy a Camaro if that is what you're looking for. Toyobarus plan is to make this a little Cayman, a car that handles well and is just fun to drive with a decent hp output.
Again, I have no idea why people are expecting a GT-R out of this car and it's price range.
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dankenstien88 wrote:
Even with its superior handling the ft86 will be eating the dust of more powerful competitors as soon as that curve breaks into a straight away.
Compare to what though? The Genesis coupe? 370Z that might be $5k-$7k more? V6 Mustang? If it does, so what?
It isn't always the straight line time, this car isn't made for that. Look at the Porsche Boxster/Cayman, it's regarded as one of the best around to drive and plenty of people has described it as the best sports car they have ever driven. That is a 245hp, $60k car and it isn't going to beat any 370z off the line, heck a 3.5 liter Accord coupe can beat a Cayman in a drag race. This isn't the car for you if you plan to smoke everyone when the stoplight turns green, buy a Camaro if that is what you're looking for. Toyobarus plan is to make this a little Cayman, a car that handles well and is just fun to drive with a decent hp output.
Again, I have no idea why people are expecting a GT-R out of this car and it's price range.
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You never drove a Miata?Originally Posted by dankenstien88
I can, and I did.
I was just stating the curb weight and power output are almost exactly the same as a 95 'lude, which is dog slow by todays standards. Its 2011 going on 2012, 200hp simply is not enough to be considered a "sports car" unless your driving a car that weighs less than a sand rail. Given the the Prelude had rating of 200hp all the way back in 1995, it is fair to say the Prelude was a much "sportier" car for the time, and the ft needs to step it up for todays generation.
Even with its superior handling the ft86 will be eating the dust of more powerful competitors as soon as that curve breaks into a straight away.
This is also the second time you have complained about the 200HP. Do you want me to just re-post the last responses to your complaint? Time to move on.
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Its a plausible statement, one ive heard several people state actually. I'll wait till the numbers come out.
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Its a plausible statement, one ive heard several people state actually. I'll wait till the numbers come out.
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But what numbers are people expecting though? 0-60 in 4 seconds flat? You can probably put 300hp in this car and it still wouldn't be enough to even get to 4.5 seconds.
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But what numbers are people expecting though? 0-60 in 4 seconds flat? You can probably put 300hp in this car and it still wouldn't be enough to even get to 4.5 seconds.
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Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams
You never drove a Miata?Originally Posted by dankenstien88
I can, and I did.
I was just stating the curb weight and power output are almost exactly the same as a 95 'lude, which is dog slow by todays standards. Its 2011 going on 2012, 200hp simply is not enough to be considered a "sports car" unless your driving a car that weighs less than a sand rail. Given the the Prelude had rating of 200hp all the way back in 1995, it is fair to say the Prelude was a much "sportier" car for the time, and the ft needs to step it up for todays generation.
Even with its superior handling the ft86 will be eating the dust of more powerful competitors as soon as that curve breaks into a straight away.
This is also the second time you have complained about the 200HP. Do you want me to just re-post the last responses to your complaint? Time to move on.
Never even considered driving one, Im too big to fit comfortably
Lolz, I thought it was the thrid time I complained
I honestly think when this car releases it will pack more than the rumored 200hp, and Toyota is just trying to keep things under wraps.
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Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams
You never drove a Miata?Originally Posted by dankenstien88
I can, and I did.
I was just stating the curb weight and power output are almost exactly the same as a 95 'lude, which is dog slow by todays standards. Its 2011 going on 2012, 200hp simply is not enough to be considered a "sports car" unless your driving a car that weighs less than a sand rail. Given the the Prelude had rating of 200hp all the way back in 1995, it is fair to say the Prelude was a much "sportier" car for the time, and the ft needs to step it up for todays generation.
Even with its superior handling the ft86 will be eating the dust of more powerful competitors as soon as that curve breaks into a straight away.
This is also the second time you have complained about the 200HP. Do you want me to just re-post the last responses to your complaint? Time to move on.
Never even considered driving one, Im too big to fit comfortably
Lolz, I thought it was the thrid time I complained
I honestly think when this car releases it will pack more than the rumored 200hp, and Toyota is just trying to keep things under wraps.
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No person who knows even a little about cars would expect this to do 0-60 that fast
But like I said, for me I'll have to wait and see. I dont think danken understands who this type of car is suppose to attract or its purpose.
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No person who knows even a little about cars would expect this to do 0-60 that fast
But like I said, for me I'll have to wait and see. I dont think danken understands who this type of car is suppose to attract or its purpose.
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RFX45 wrote:
dankenstien88 wrote:
Even with its superior handling the ft86 will be eating the dust of more powerful competitors as soon as that curve breaks into a straight away.
Compare to what though? The Genesis coupe? 370Z that might be $5k-$7k more? V6 Mustang? If it does, so what?
It isn't always the straight line time, this car isn't made for that. Look at the Porsche Boxster/Cayman, it's regarded as one of the best around to drive and plenty of people has described it as the best sports car they have ever driven. That is a 245hp, $60k car and it isn't going to beat any 370z off the line, heck a 3.5 liter Accord coupe can beat a Cayman in a drag race. This isn't the car for you if you plan to smoke everyone when the stoplight turns green, buy a Camaro if that is what you're looking for. Toyobarus plan is to make this a little Cayman, a car that handles well and is just fun to drive with a decent hp output.
Again, I have no idea why people are expecting a GT-R out of this car and it's price range.
Not expecting a GTR at all.
I dont know why car manufacturers act like its impossible to have both power and handling in the same stock package. I just think they have the potential to produce a car that is truly better than more expensive competition in both handling AND acceleration.
Reliability on older boxters is a complete joke, and IMO the Caymen is one of the most overpriced cars on the market for what you get. Its nothing but a glorified hardtop boxter, virtually unchanged since 1996.
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RFX45 wrote:
dankenstien88 wrote:
Even with its superior handling the ft86 will be eating the dust of more powerful competitors as soon as that curve breaks into a straight away.
Compare to what though? The Genesis coupe? 370Z that might be $5k-$7k more? V6 Mustang? If it does, so what?
It isn't always the straight line time, this car isn't made for that. Look at the Porsche Boxster/Cayman, it's regarded as one of the best around to drive and plenty of people has described it as the best sports car they have ever driven. That is a 245hp, $60k car and it isn't going to beat any 370z off the line, heck a 3.5 liter Accord coupe can beat a Cayman in a drag race. This isn't the car for you if you plan to smoke everyone when the stoplight turns green, buy a Camaro if that is what you're looking for. Toyobarus plan is to make this a little Cayman, a car that handles well and is just fun to drive with a decent hp output.
Again, I have no idea why people are expecting a GT-R out of this car and it's price range.
Not expecting a GTR at all.
I dont know why car manufacturers act like its impossible to have both power and handling in the same stock package. I just think they have the potential to produce a car that is truly better than more expensive competition in both handling AND acceleration.
Reliability on older boxters is a complete joke, and IMO the Caymen is one of the most overpriced cars on the market for what you get. Its nothing but a glorified hardtop boxter, virtually unchanged since 1996.
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Mangudai954 wrote:
No person who knows even a little about cars would expect this to do 0-60 that fast
Shhh, it's an exaggeration to make a point.
But seriously, the car will do well if it can reach 0-60 in low 6's or even high 5's. To me, that is plenty fast enough.
From which Subaru are they taking the flat 4 for this car anyway?
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Mangudai954 wrote:
No person who knows even a little about cars would expect this to do 0-60 that fast
Shhh, it's an exaggeration to make a point.
But seriously, the car will do well if it can reach 0-60 in low 6's or even high 5's. To me, that is plenty fast enough.
From which Subaru are they taking the flat 4 for this car anyway?
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At the very, least it'll be a fun car; I drove a bolt on, E30 318 that weighed around 2,000 (stripped) in an AutoX, what an experience.
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At the very, least it'll be a fun car; I drove a bolt on, E30 318 that weighed around 2,000 (stripped) in an AutoX, what an experience.
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No person who knows even a little about cars would expect this to do 0-60 that fast
Shhh, it's an exaggeration to make a point.
But seriously, the car will do well if it can reach 0-60 in low 6's or even high 5's. To me, that is plenty fast enough.
From which Subaru are they taking the flat 4 for this car anyway?
No doubt. 5's would really surprise me.
