2014-15 Lakers Season Thread (21-61) KAT
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i want to see how this team will do post-kobe. from coaching changes to players, all the decisions this franchise have made the passed few years have had to deal with him being on the roster and in a way they had cater to that "win now" mentality or even his play style.
as much as i want to win NOW, i wouldn't mind seeing an organic growth of talent through the years and a rise to the top similar to what GS did, and how utah is seeing their players develop now. i'm sure it will be very frustrating, but it could also be very rewarding.
as much as i want to win NOW, i wouldn't mind seeing an organic growth of talent through the years and a rise to the top similar to what GS did, and how utah is seeing their players develop now. i'm sure it will be very frustrating, but it could also be very rewarding.
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In the end, you have as much of a guarantee on Durant's effectiveness 4 years from now as you do those 2 picks.
"Yeah, but... cheaper." And you have no guarantee that well be a worthy savings. Maybe the team that spends on Durant gets the Finals, and maybe sticking with those two picks leaves us exactly where we are right now 4 years from now. Maybe.
"But, but... likelihood. Youth." Again, that's not a guarantee, AND on every championship team, there IS a place for veteran leadership/savvy.
"Yeah, but... cheaper." And you have no guarantee that well be a worthy savings. Maybe the team that spends on Durant gets the Finals, and maybe sticking with those two picks leaves us exactly where we are right now 4 years from now. Maybe.
"But, but... likelihood. Youth." Again, that's not a guarantee, AND on every championship team, there IS a place for veteran leadership/savvy.
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Makes no logical sense to even entertain, we'd be doing the same thing the Knicks did with Melo. If KD wants to come to LA he'll do it via free agency, we'd actually have bodies to greet him at LAX.
Only person realistically it would make sense for is AD given his age, contract number, and we'd actually have a chance to control him long term going forward.
Only person realistically it would make sense for is AD given his age, contract number, and we'd actually have a chance to control him long term going forward.
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lol at control him.
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This.
If you're one piece away from a title then yea you can take that gamble. And typically if you're one piece away you're not trading a top 5 pick (unless LeBron is your gm)
The point is next year's team isn't winning a chip with Durant or with those picks so why mortgage your only assets for a guy who isn't bringing u a chip AND might leave next year??
Build a team now then go after him.
Basically.
It comes down to how you want to build your roster.
I understand wanting to start with a star first, then add later, but it narrows your margin for error when you have no future picks, and a huge chunk of your cap space is tied up in that one star.
We need to stack talent as much as possible, and then buy up the rest with our biggest asset, cap space.
Trading assets for another is standing still, or in this instance, taking 4 steps forward with Durant, but two steps back without the picks.
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Even the Knicks were still left a decent roster around Melo when they prematurely traded for him.
With the Durant hypothetical, the Lakers wouldn't. Like it's been said, that's just asking for him to leave when the contract is up.
"Get the star, then build around him" is one of the many ways to skin a cat but he might bolt and not give the Lakers the chance. It's a huge roll of the dice. Waiting on a pick to develop is also a roll of the dice but imo just a safer bet, especially seeing as how the Lakers are still recovering from the last time they traded for a pair of big names.
With the Durant hypothetical, the Lakers wouldn't. Like it's been said, that's just asking for him to leave when the contract is up.
"Get the star, then build around him" is one of the many ways to skin a cat but he might bolt and not give the Lakers the chance. It's a huge roll of the dice. Waiting on a pick to develop is also a roll of the dice but imo just a safer bet, especially seeing as how the Lakers are still recovering from the last time they traded for a pair of big names.
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I find it odd, given your franchise just sold Kevin Love for picks, but you're tellin us to sell picks for Kevin Durant.
And Ska, you're over simplifying. We sold Kevin Love for Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Bennett, we didn't get a single pick. We KNEW what we were getting. Do you know what you're getting yet? No. And when you do, what if it appears as if you're going to get Stanley Johnson or Willie Cauley-Stein type, rather than any of the top two. Will you be able to deal for Kevin Durant then? Nobody would want to.
Stack picks, when you have NOTHING. We have, nothing right now. (Clarkson/Randle hopefully a start. )
When you have Kobe, LO, Bynum, Ariza, THEN you sell picks for Pau. The second-round pick was a second-round pick in your possession (not Marc Gasol), and Kwame Brown was Kwame Brown. You will never see a Pau Gasol-esque trade again, and if the minuscule chance that you do, it might be one of the other 30 NBA teams, not y'allllll for a second time
You don't go all in with what few assets you have, to then give 40% of your cap to 1 guy who also has a foot injury that's wrecked an entire year. It's bad business. If you're not giving up Randle, you're not going all in. Simply put. A 26-year-old superstar is not on the hypothetical table or real table for those picks without the injury.
If we didn't have Bynum or LO, or Ariza, and trade for Pau, we don't win. We're good, sure, but not champs. If you don't have Kobe, you don't win. Do you get why you need Durant?
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Can ya'll not skin animals pls.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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the lakers already drafted marc gasol, and traded his rights to the grizzlies. it wasn't just a second round pick
or were you referring to marc gasol as an unproven commodity?
or were you referring to marc gasol as an unproven commodity?
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bravelude
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people too used.to LA being a top team, they get insecure about them as dark horses or contenders. u have contenders year in and year out never winning either.
Peeps.here used.to LA being the top or on the low end struggling with Kobe taking 40 shots.
Thats why the sentiment here is to get loaded, packed and then go all in when necessary. lol
Peeps.here used.to LA being the top or on the low end struggling with Kobe taking 40 shots.
Thats why the sentiment here is to get loaded, packed and then go all in when necessary. lol
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I find it odd, given your franchise just sold Kevin Love for picks, but you're tellin us to sell picks for Kevin Durant.
And Ska, you're over simplifying. We sold Kevin Love for Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Bennett, we didn't get a single pick. We KNEW what we were getting. Do you know what you're getting yet? No. And when you do, what if it appears as if you're going to get Stanley Johnson or Willie Cauley-Stein type, rather than any of the top two. Will you be able to deal for Kevin Durant then? Nobody would want to.
Stack picks, when you have NOTHING. We have, nothing right now. (Clarkson/Randle hopefully a start. )
When you have Kobe, LO, Bynum, Ariza, THEN you sell picks for Pau. The second-round pick was a second-round pick in your possession (not Marc Gasol), and Kwame Brown was Kwame Brown. You will never see a Pau Gasol-esque trade again, and if the minuscule chance that you do, it might be one of the other 30 NBA teams, not y'allllll for a second time
You don't go all in with what few assets you have, to then give 40% of your cap to 1 guy who also has a foot injury that's wrecked an entire year. It's bad business. If you're not giving up Randle, you're not going all in. Simply put. A 26-year-old superstar is not on the hypothetical table or real table for those picks without the injury.
If we didn't have Bynum or LO, or Ariza, and trade for Pau, we don't win. We're good, sure, but not champs. If you don't have Kobe, you don't win. Do you get why you need Durant?
The only reason you got Wiggins and Bennett is because LeBron went to Cleveland and they were suddenly in win now mode. Do you think they make that trade without LeBron on the team?
That trade was just as rare as the pau deal.
Cleveland already had assets and the worlds best player. Lakers aren't in that position rt now.
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Your management was stupid enough to trade the Heat's first round pick to rent Thad Young who in turn was traded to parade the corpse of KG.
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Durant, the MVP of one season ago, being available for two first-round picks is just as rare which is why you do that.
Let's be clear: I disagree with that and a 26-year-old Thaddeus Young for one first-round pick is nowhere near comparable to a 26-year-old Kevin Durant for only one more than that.
Let's be clear: I disagree with that and a 26-year-old Thaddeus Young for one first-round pick is nowhere near comparable to a 26-year-old Kevin Durant for only one more than that.
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Jpzx must be bored today
My memory sucks nowadays but i think he once claimed i was a mavericks hater lol or maybe that wasnt him?
My memory sucks nowadays but i think he once claimed i was a mavericks hater lol or maybe that wasnt him?
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aint no LA fAn meats being fondled
team byron scott
team byron scott
I don't deal just cuz it's rare.
And it doesn't matter if I KNOW it's Cauley Stein, or don't know if its Towns. We aren't in a position to give away what few assets we have.
If we had multiple future picks, maybe you could sway me, but we don't. I want titles, not just tryin to make the playoffs again with one star player. Bad business.
And it doesn't matter if I KNOW it's Cauley Stein, or don't know if its Towns. We aren't in a position to give away what few assets we have.
If we had multiple future picks, maybe you could sway me, but we don't. I want titles, not just tryin to make the playoffs again with one star player. Bad business.
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