2017 NBA FINALS THREAD. PART III

[MVP]

He was stumbling over his words too

bruh was STRESSED at just the thought.

And that's the thing. There's no clear roadmap to close the gap

Very ironic considering this is how he's made the Eastern Conference feel since 2011.
This is what I logically don't understand. Like in that finals graphic posted , it shows Bron was in the finals basically every year.

For Wade he won in '06, then we skip 5 years to 2011

Well, what the hell happened in those 5 years? Oh, Miami kept losing in the first round or failed to make the playoffs altogether, but he didn't make the finals so he looks good on that graphic. Similar story with Kobe. 04 then skip 4 years to 08.

It's silly

Isolating finals records like all those dudes don't have first round exits before/after and other pre-finals losses as defending NBA champs.

So what was Lebby doing in 2008, 2009, and 2010? Winning when you get there has to count for something. If he got there 8 times and only won once, what would the narrative be? If you say there's a narrative at all you're acknowledging that they do matter and are being a hypocrite. 

 

[trueprada]

 One thing that slipped under the radar last night: Game 5 of the 2017 Finals was likely the last NBA game with sleeved jerseys for a while.

 

[MVP]

Can't believe that fat tub of goo is downplaying get to the chip 6 times and winning every time, while subsequently ignoring the competition that each had to face to get there. And that 2015 Warriors team is hella overrated, they won the chip but that wasn't an all time great team. 

 

[EddieDoyers]

 

[krazyrodzilla]

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[ill steelo]

He was stumbling over his words too bruh was STRESSED at just the thought.


And that's the thing. There's no clear roadmap to close the gap


Very ironic considering this is how he's made the Eastern Conference feel since 2011.

This is what I logically don't understand. Like in that finals graphic posted , it shows Bron was in the finals basically every year.


For Wade he won in '06, then we skip 5 years to 2011


Well, what the hell happened in those 5 years? Oh, Miami kept losing in the first round or failed to make the playoffs altogether, but he didn't make the finals so he looks good on that graphic. Similar story with Kobe. 04 then skip 4 years to 08.


It's silly Isolating finals records like all those dudes don't have first round exits before/after and other pre-finals losses as defending NBA champs.

So what was Lebby doing in 2008, 2009, and 2010? Winning when you get there has to count for something. If he got there 8 times and only won once, what would the narrative be? If you say there's a narrative at all you're acknowledging that they do matter and are being a hypocrite. 

Winning when you get there, or winning at all? That was my point. Isolating the winning % in that particular round is a silly way to look at it b/c the playoffs aren't seeded 1-16.

Tim Duncan is a prime example of this. He would not be 5-1 in the finals if he had the exact same roster and coach, but played in the East. He'd be a lot closer to .500 b/c of Kobe and Shaq. That's 3 finals Ls right there, and that would not make him any less great. Hence my first sentence: Winning when you get there vs. winning at all. The latter provides much better context given how the playoffs are seeded.

 

[MVP]

Winning when you get there, or winning at all? That was my point. Isolating the winning % in that particular round is a silly way to look at it b/c the playoffs aren't seeded 1-16.

Tim Duncan is a prime example of this. He would not be 5-1 in the finals if he had the exact same roster and coach, but played in the East. He'd be a lot closer to .500 b/c of Kobe and Shaq. Hence my first sentence: Winning when you get there vs. winning at all. The latter provides much better context given how the playoffs are seeded.

He had to go through Kobe and Shaq most every year he won though, at least early on (1999 and 2003) and the best competition was clearly out West during the 2000s which is in part why he had a spotless record in the Finals until 2013, they had already beat the best teams. And vice versa with Kobe and Shaq going through the Spurs. Can't in one breath say it's so impressive getting to 7 straight finals when there is literally little to no comparable talent in the conference and then give him a pass when he not only gets beat but it's not even a competitive series which has been the case 3 outta the 8 times. Winning when you get there is the same as winning it all, what are you talking about?

But this was to be expected today, the apologists are out in full force. Really wish Kyrie would have missed that last 3 to leave him just shy of the triple double so that these clowns wouldn't have that as a crutch today. 

 

[Deleted member 107398]

Kobe with the broken finger and all in that champ photo 

 

[trueprada]

 

[MVP]

Sources Broussard talking about Melo coming off the bench for LeBron. 

 

[Kaleo15]

So much justice in one picture... truly joyful!

Matt Barnes from We Believe era, Mike Brown and Curry's revenge tour Durant's 1st ring.

Javale McGee David West and Zaza next to eachother as if they weren't trying to kill eachother last year.

 

[Kaleo15]

Sources Broussard talking about Melo coming off the bench for LeBron. 

CP3 going to Cavs.... Cavs about to clear the roster!

 

[ill steelo]

Winning when you get there, or winning at all? That was my point. Isolating the winning % in that particular round is a silly way to look at it b/c the playoffs aren't seeded 1-16.


Tim Duncan is a prime example of this. He would not be 5-1 in the finals if he had the exact same roster and coach, but played in the East. He'd be a lot closer to .500 b/c of Kobe and Shaq. Hence my first sentence: Winning when you get there vs. winning at all. The latter provides much better context given how the playoffs are seeded.

He had to go through Kobe and Shaq most every year he won though, at least early on (1999 and 2003) and the best competition was clearly out West during the 2000s which is in part why he had a spotless record in the Finals until 2013, they had already beat the best teams. And vice versa with Kobe and Shaq going through the Spurs. Can't in one breath say it's so impressive getting to 7 straight finals when there is literally little to no comparable talent in the conference and then give him a pass when he not only gets beat but it's not even a competitive series which has been the case 3 outta the 8 times. Winning when you get there is the same as winning it all, what are you talking about?

But this was to be expected today, the apologists are out in full force. Really wish Kyrie would have missed that last 3 to leave him just shy of the triple double so that these clowns wouldn't have that as a crutch today. 

It's still going over your head

Yes, he had to go through Kobe and Shaq... and took Ls in the process. Him going 5-1 in the finals glosses over that, which is the point.

You look at that finals graphic and you're literally seeing the every single season from Lebron James starting from 2011. You don't get that coverage with any of those other guys. You're seeing 4-5 year gaps from Wade and Kobe, and every other year gaps for Tim. Thats the difference between winning in the finals vs. winning at all.

Duncan played more than 6 seasons. Wade played more than 5 seasons. Kobe played more than 7.

Look at the whole picture.

 

[MVP]

Once everybody just accepts Bron as this generations' Wilt Chamberlain, a physical specimen that we may never see for another 40 years, that stuffs the stat sheet, but ultimately isn't the winner of some of his contemporaries, the better off we'll all be. 

 

[wavycrocket]

Over the past 4 years...Steph Curry has vaulted himself into the 2nd best PG of all time convo.

Got damn man. His run is CRAZY. I don't think people understand just how great he's been since 2013.

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Once everybody just accepts Bron as this generations' Wilt Chamberlain, a physical specimen that we may never see for another 40 years, that stuffs the stat sheet, but ultimately isn't the winner of some of his contemporaries, the better off we'll all be. 

Once you stop posting, the better off this forum will be.

 

[MVP]

It's still going over your head

Yes, he had to go through Kobe and Shaq... and took Ls in the process. Him going 5-1 in the finals glosses over that, which is the point.

You look at that finals graphic and you're literally seeing the every single season from Lebron James starting from 2011. You don't get that coverage with any of those other guys. You're seeing 4-5 year gaps from Wade and Kobe, and every other year gaps for Tim. Thats the difference between winning in the finals vs. winning at all.

Duncan played more than 6 seasons. Wade played more than 5 seasons. Kobe played more than 7.

Look at the whole picture.

The whole picture also includes the competition he's going up against though to get to that 'impressive' streak of 7 straight. You want to isolate the appearances then he definitely should be behind Magic, Kareem, & Russell. Jerry West should be top 5 just off his appearances even though he only won 1. 

 

[8pm at msg]

Its not often underdogs come from millionaire households but Curry out here doing things no one expected

 

[nomnom]

Windshorst said his oop dunk to himself was iconic just like MJ's layup against the Lakers. Haberstroh said he was Finals MVP before Game 5. Does ESPN make these guys write this or are these their own authentic thoughts.

Keep them but had to let go of Marc Stein? Smh

 

[wavycrocket]

The West has won, what? 13 out of the last 19 finals? Decisively in most of them.

It's safe to say...the real Finals are in the West.

I'll never get over a 56 win Clippers team....beating the defending Champion 55 win Spurs team.....IN THE FIRST ROUND

:x

 

[MVP]

The West has won, what? 13 out of the last 19 finals? Decisively in most of them.

It's safe to say...the real Finals are in the West.

I'll never get over a 56 win Clippers team....beating the defending Champion 55 win Spurs team.....IN THE FIRST ROUND

I'll be watching if Steph gets the same kind of deference going forward if the Dubs make the Finals the next 3 seasons or so. That'll be 6 in a row. 

 

[ill steelo]

It's still going over your head


Yes, he had to go through Kobe and Shaq... and took Ls in the process. Him going 5-1 in the finals glosses over that, which is the point.


You look at that finals graphic and you're literally seeing the every single season from Lebron James starting from 2011. You don't get that coverage with any of those other guys. You're seeing 4-5 year gaps from Wade and Kobe, and every other year gaps for Tim. Thats the difference between winning in the finals vs. winning at all.


Duncan played more than 6 seasons. Wade played more than 5 seasons. Kobe played more than 7.


Look at the whole picture.

The whole picture also includes the competition he's going up against though to get to that 'impressive' streak of 7 straight. You want to isolate the appearances then he definitely should be behind Magic, Kareem, & Russell. Jerry West should be top 5 just off his appearances even though he only won 1. 

I'm saying the look at the whole picture and you're still talking about isolating stuff

 

[wavycrocket]

Its not often underdogs come from millionaire households but Curry out here doing things no one expected

**** crazy.

It's strange how little the average basketball fan thinks of him though. ****** STILL think he's just a shooter...after averaging damn near a triple double in the finals .

The comments on that Brandon Jennings post where he questioned if Steph was #2 all time are cringeworthy.

 

[JD617]

Trying to use logic with Mamba MVP is an exercise in futility. Comprehension is just so piss poor.

 

[Based Jesus]

 
Sources Broussard talking about Melo coming off the bench for LeBron. 

Off the bench 

Kevin McHale talking **** on NBATV 

"If we played in the 80's we'd beat the hell out of them." 

"Draymond's too small. He'd be the first 6'6" guy to stop me, Robert or Bird." 

 

He did admit that in today's game tho they'd probly lose. Basically said the rules would determine the winner.