2020-21 NBA Offseason thread: Officially a wrap

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Those were largely awful deals at the time. Minus Matthews, who has since been plagued by lower extremities.

Conley was a small market team who had a All-Star level player under 30, who they had to max. Of course the deal looks worse as he ages. Not a bad deal at the time though by any stretch of the imagination.

Hayward wasn’t a horrible deal given out by any way that you try and slice it.

That conley deal was definitely ridiculed. Not sure if any other team was going to give him that, don't really remember but it was for sure a joke. Hayward wasn't horrible horrible but his actual contract today is less than what boston gave him and coming off a pretty similar year statistically as he did back then. But one guy is an idiot and the other a genius. And I do think his current deal is terrible. Boston signing a guy charlotte wouldn't pay and charlotte paying a guy boston wouldn't pretty much evens out the stupidity

 

[B Sox]

Hayward was an all-star replacing Jae Crowder

 

[dacomeup]

If you think Hayward is generally overpaid, then that’s an issue with the CBA and the “max” structure, but we all know that it’s there due to the perceived disadvantages that small market teams suffer from. Acting as if 2016 Hayward wasn’t worth the max is pretty disingenuous, though.

 

[trynafeelmink]

That's not what was said. Quote it. Speaking of spin cycles.

12 and 7 at $18M per for the next 3yrs and a 1st rounder > 12 and 10 at $9.5M per for 2yrs and a $28.5M TPE?

At the very worst it's a wash.

I Apologize 29 yr old Thristian Thompson on the full MLE was the wash

 

[getback]

Tbh I just like to **** on Ainge cuz the Boston / east coast media try to paint him like he’s some God tier GM.

This is true. A lot of people do do this. He's not the best, he's not the worst. He's a good GM.

 

[VARNELL HILL]

So Houston ain’t trading away Brodie and harden?

You ain't hear? Harden got traded to Brooklyn. They celebrated in the streets and everything.

 

[ballinsam23]

Hayward was definitely worth that initial contract with Boston. That injury was something no one expected.

 

[getback]

I Apologize 29 yr old Thristian Thompson on the full MLE was the wash

Still ignoring the TPE though.

TT better rebounder and inside presense and vet. Cheaper by almost $10M per year. Turner younger, better shot blocker, can stretch the floor. Costs more. Pretty much a wash in my opinion. I don't think that's really a hot take.

First rounder in what will probably be in the 15-30 range or $28.5M TPE that could potentially yield you a player like Aaron Gordon or Buddy Hield or a very good rotational player.

How is this some disingenuous take?

I don't think their position is going to be swayed significantly one way or the other. So....probably at worst a wash?

 

[MVP]

I'll never forget the idiots that said the Lakers got FLEECED in that AD trade. Danny Ainge actually fleeced Billy King and still no banners to show for it.

 

[dacomeup]

That conley deal was definitely ridiculed. Not sure if any other team was going to give him that, don't really remember but it was for sure a joke. Hayward wasn't horrible but his actual contract today is less than what boston gave him and coming off a pretty similar year statistically as he did back then. But one guy is an idiot and the other a genius. And I do think his current deal is terrible

Small market teams have to overpay though. That’s just why it is what it is. I don’t remember Memphis being ridiculed on that basis for it being absurd, but I could be wrong.

2016 the cap spiked at an unprecedented level and teams thought that it would continue increasing, so it’s not really a great comparison. Hayward was 26 when he got that deal and hadn’t suffered a major injury to his legs. Can’t we agree that he was much more appealing in 2016 free agency than 2020? I don’t know why you’re comparing his two free agencies 4 years apart, after he has now suffered a major injury.

 

[MVP]

Still ignoring the TPE though.

TT better rebounder and inside presense and vet. Cheaper by almost $10M per year. Turner younger, better shot blocker, can stretch the floor. Costs more. Pretty much a wash in my opinion. I don't think that's really a hot take.

First rounder in will what will probably be in the 15-30 range or $28.5M TPE that could potentially yield you a player like Aaron Gordon or Buddy Hield or a very good rotational player.

How is this some disingenuous take?

We've already established that TPE is really worth less given the hard cap implications and possible propensity of Ainge to not want to go too far in the tax. We'll see if he actually uses it to get something decent for it or will it just be another almost got em par the course.

 

[wavycrocket]

Hayward wasn't horrible horrible but his actual contract today is less than what boston gave him and coming off a pretty similar year statistically as he did back then. But one guy is an idiot and the other a genius. And I do think his current deal is terrible. Boston signing a guy charlotte wouldn't pay and charlotte paying a guy boston wouldn't pretty much evens out the stupidity

He’s 4 years older...with one year left on a 30some mil contract. Logic would tell you...to secure the longer bag in Charlote...at what, $30m/yr over like 4 years...than be a 32 year old free agent with an injury history.

You know this man . Just stop

Edit* Flubbed the numbers lol.

 

[getback]

We'll see if he actually uses it to get something decent

You mean like a first round pick in the late teens or early 20's?

 

[MVP]

Heh not worried about being a #3 huh?

 

[trynafeelmink]

So tell me about Dame Lillard then....Kyrie?John Wall. Cp3, BGH13? Westbrook? James Harden even? Shoot...what are your thoughts on Embiid, Simmons etc? Devin Booker? Klay

There is a cap floor. By your logic...Only Steph, Bron, KD & Kawhi should be “Max” guys. That’s unrealistic.

Mfers are overpaid. But it’s the nature of the league and business. It’s the market. Bad GMs, timing, youth and production and good agents are great for the players.

Saying Gordon Hayward wasn’t worth what he got at the time is revisionist history, with everything in context. Y’all know this.

This is why this board is sick lol

How the hell are you going to tell me something I SAID AT THE TIME is revisionist history , Also That list of players you gave all have very different skillsets & vary in terms of tier.

Also there is no rule saying you must sign one player to a huge contract, that money can be distributed amongst several different players. It's like when the Lakers had cap & there were Rumors of signing Aldridge & Derozan...... that **** would have set us back another Decade, i much rather the strategy they took of smaller short term contracts & continuing to build through the draft.

 

[pmatic]

It is ridiculous what the Lakers had to pay to get AD, and what other teams had to fork up for lesser talent (PG, Jrue, Westbrook).

Thank goodness Pelinka/Klutch struck first instead of letting the market decide.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

He’s 4 years older...with one year left on a 30some mil contract. Logic would tell you...to secure the longer bag in Charlote...at what, $30m/yr over like 4 years...than be a 32 year old free agent with an injury history.

You know this man . Just stop

Edit* Flubbed the numbers lol.

I didn't say hayward was the dumb one

 

[getback]

Boston has about $22 million it can spend during the 2020-21 season after becoming a “hard-capped” team by using the full, non-taxpayer mid-level exception (MLE), which it can spend on one or more players.

After the hard cap expires at the end of the season but before Nov. 29, 2021, the team can use up to the full amount of the TPE of $28.5 million. TPEs cannot be expanded by aggregating player contracts or exceptions, though separate deals with the same team could be executed, if needed.

WORTHLESS.

 

[rolaholic]

Heh not worried about being a #3 huh?

Nope

 

[B Sox]

So building through the draft for the Lakers is a good idea, but the Celtics do it and it’s bad

 

[dacomeup]

It is ridiculous what the Lakers had to pay to get AD, and what other teams had to fork up for lesser talent (PG, Jrue, Westbrook).

Thank goodness Pelinka/Klutch struck first instead of letting the market decide.

Pelinka looks like a genius, and I admittedly wasn’t sure about it at the time either. Doing what Milwaukee did for Jrue in particular was an awful deal.

 

[antidope]

If you think Hayward is generally overpaid, then that’s an issue with the CBA and the “max” structure, but we all know that it’s there due to the perceived disadvantages that small market teams suffer from. Acting as if 2016 Hayward wasn’t worth the max is pretty disingenuous, though.

Legit baffled that this is happening right now.

 

[amitt5504]

Matisse

 

[akajae]

I like the energy in here today.

let’s keep it going.

 

[wavycrocket]

Heh not worried about being a #3 huh?

The league, average fan, media and social media especially would be bridled with joy if Giannis, Kawhi, KD & AD went to play with LeBron .