2024 MLB Thread; RIP Willie Mays & Pete Rose. Dodgers win #8!

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[dland24]

As a Red Sox fan I grew up watching him, so I don't forget. He was my favorite 90's Red Sox player.

Gotcha. Hard to know how old people are on NT. Mo was a beast. And I stand by my statement about him/Ortiz.

 

[dland24]

I understand, but we know what it is. It's not like he's the only one to ever take votes away from those other guys. I think the whole voting thing is dumb anyway. Ortiz is a HOFer, in my opinion, so he deserved it. They all should be in and it doesn't/shouldn't require "votes." It's all a big joke that I don't really care about because the whole process is jaded. I get where you're coming from though and you're not wrong.

And see, for me he is borderline. Ortiz's career WAR puts him in the company of players like Ian Kinsler, Will Clark, and Evan Longoria...damn fine players, but not HOFers. Then consider that combined with not playing defense and failing a PED test, I'd have him as a fringe HOFer at best.

 

[getback]

Then consider that combined with not playing defense

That's like saying pitchers not batting should also be considered. He plays a position in the MLB is either #1 or #2 all time doing so. Can't really hold it against him that he doesn't have to play defense.

 

[Fozz]

Imma be annoyed if the Red Sox does land Seiya Suzuki. I hope that's BS.

 

[rolaholic]

His postseason OPS is the 3rd highest in history and significantly higher than his regular season one

'fringe' though

 

[getback]

His 2013 postseason was especially ridiculous.

 

[Coupé It]

Manny > Papi




This is what happens when you date Boston girls. I was introduced to this song. It’s chill tho. All about Manny

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

Imma be annoyed if the Red Sox does land Seiya Suzuki. I hope that's BS.

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[DsLee]

I think Seiya can put up great numbers at Fenway, would’ve figured he’d go out West though.

 

[Coupé It]

Why couldn’t Ohtani come out East?

Never forget this idiot Cashman hung from a building trying to lure Ohtani

This is probably why Ohtani didn’t want to come East. Because of this bafoon.



Can’t believe he still has a job

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

Why couldn’t Ohtani come out East?

Never forget this idiot Cashman hung from a building trying to lure Ohtani

This is probably why Ohtani didn’t want to come East. Because of this bafoon.



Can’t believe he still has a job

Wait. Is the guy to his left wearing a Sox hat?

 

[DeadsetAce]

Ortiz

they got one right for a change

 

[Coupé It]

Wait. Is the guy to his left wearing a Sox hat?

Maybe it’s a UCLA hat. Honestly idk.

Cashman sucks.

 

[HIM]

Does the Hall of Fame matter to anyone?

 

[darthska]

A FOUR FIFTY FIVE WORLD SERIES BATTING AVERAGE?!



-foe

 

[Coupé It]

WT

 

[elpablo21]

Crying at Arod somehow being snubbed

Even when trying to right a wrong on others someone still has to get slighted. Baseball

 

[ThePeoplesChamp_]

And see, for me he is borderline. Ortiz's career WAR puts him in the company of players like Ian Kinsler, Will Clark, and Evan Longoria...damn fine players, but not HOFers. Then consider that combined with not playing defense and failing a PED test, I'd have him as a fringe HOFer at best.

Ian Kinsler

 

[JD617]

Ortiz has literally twice as many career WAR as Mo Vaughn.

2nd best DH ever behind Edgar.

 

[elpablo21]

Ortiz has literally twice as many career WAR as Mo Vaughn.

2nd best DH ever behind Edgar.

It's kinda weird to think that Ortiz helped Edgar get in at the end

Alot of these guys knew they were going to let Ortiz in and felt stupid to keep holding Edgar out after all these years

 

[IATT]

Heard it mentioned on something I was listening to and I agree with the point

What the astros did was worse than what bonds did

Bonds still has to have the skill to make contact to the degree he did on top of being a first ballot prior to what Sosa/McGuire did

But astros knew what was coming, bonds didn’t

 

[RyGuy45]

Heard it mentioned on something I was listening to and I agree with the point

What the astros did was worse than what bonds did

Bonds still has to have the skill to make contact to the degree he did on top of being a first ballot prior to what Sosa/McGuire did

But astros knew what was coming, bonds didn’t

So if a guy robs a bank, we debate whether laundering is worse? To me that's kinda pointless debating.

Personally, I now think Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, etc should be in. And Schilling. But yesterday's news was nothing really new - There's still a lot of stuff swirling around Barry and he knows what he did. He also chooses to lie about it, which some people apparently still have a problem with. For Barry though, (Edit) 66% of voters actually DON'T have a problem anymore with what he did. Think about that - we put a man in the White House last election with 51% of the vote. Barry is at 66%. I'm actually the rare one who is shocked the vote turned out that high for him with this particular group.

And Clemens also is in the same boat which is pretty funny cause his name is RARELY mentioned anywhere about getting screwed too.

 

[onewearz]

My argument for these guys not getting in is simply they were Hall of Famers before gettin involved with roids. Ortiz would not be in without that little league ballpark and roids. I know people who are in the DR who laugh and know where and who got it from. Ortiz was a nobody in Minnesota, average power 1st basemen with no glove. He goes to Boston , learns how to hit the other way and juices up whenever he did to become a great player, not a HOFamer tho. Bonds, Clemens, Arod were on their way to the Hall without the junk. No idea why they ever thought they needed it but no one , if u watch baseball, thought they weren't automatics. They just broke the rules but again, they were in before they did and thats not even a question. Ortiz is only in cause he broke the curse and became a character for the people to love. If Ortiz had Bond's attitude u think he gets in ? Hell no, he'd be tossed in the fire with everyone else. It's not cause he was with the Sox or killed the Yanks either that i feel like this. He helped break a historic drought and people love his character. Guy was shot by drug dealers , ever hear about Clemons or Bonds getting shot by drug dealers. Just a salty Yankee fan who thinks if u say this is the rule and u don't get in but this guy can cause we like him is wrong.


Clemons statement if no ones seen it

Sad man ...

 

[dland24]

^Great post.