2024 MLB Thread; RIP Willie Mays & Pete Rose. Dodgers win #8!

[IATT]

So if a guy robs a bank, we debate whether laundering is worse? To me that's kinda pointless debating.

Personally, I now think Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, etc should be in. And Schilling. But yesterday's news was nothing really new - There's still a lot of stuff swirling around Barry and he knows what he did. He also chooses to lie about it, which some people apparently still have a problem with. For Barry though, (Edit) 66% of voters actually DON'T have a problem anymore with what he did. Think about that - we put a man in the White House last election with 51% of the vote. Barry is at 66%. I'm actually the rare one who is shocked the vote turned out that high for him with this particular group.

And Clemens also is in the same boat which is pretty funny cause his name is RARELY mentioned anywhere about getting screwed too.

There are levels to crimes, even when someone dies

Like I think the pitcher taking steroids is worse because he’s endangering the lives of guys

But I think they all should get in, can’t tell the story of the league during that period without those guys

 

[lightweight champion]

So if a guy robs a bank, we debate whether laundering is worse? To me that's kinda pointless debating.

Personally, I now think Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, etc should be in. And Schilling. But yesterday's news was nothing really new - There's still a lot of stuff swirling around Barry and he knows what he did. He also chooses to lie about it, which some people apparently still have a problem with. For Barry though, (Edit) 66% of voters actually DON'T have a problem anymore with what he did. Think about that - we put a man in the White House last election with 51% of the vote. Barry is at 66%. I'm actually the rare one who is shocked the vote turned out that high for him with this particular group.

And Clemens also is in the same boat which is pretty funny cause his name is RARELY mentioned anywhere about getting screwed too.

One team was caught robbing the bank, admitted to it, but only did so on the condition that they don’t be sentenced to any time. The guy who “laundered” never actually got caught.

Also, the BBWA just voted to put in a guy who also laundered. So there’s that.

 

[getback]

My argument for these guys not getting in is simply they were Hall of Famers before gettin involved with roids. Ortiz would not be in without that little league ballpark and roids. I know people who are in the DR who laugh and know where and who got it from. Ortiz was a nobody in Minnesota, average power 1st basemen with no glove. He goes to Boston , learns how to hit the other way and juices up whenever he did to become a great player, not a HOFamer tho. Bonds, Clemens, Arod were on their way to the Hall without the junk. No idea why they ever thought they needed it but no one , if u watch baseball, thought they weren't automatics. They just broke the rules but again, they were in before they did and thats not even a question. Ortiz is only in cause he broke the curse and became a character for the people to love. If Ortiz had Bond's attitude u think he gets in ? Hell no, he'd be tossed in the fire with everyone else. It's not cause he was with the Sox or killed the Yanks either that i feel like this. He helped break a historic drought and people love his character. Guy was shot by drug dealers , ever hear about Clemons or Bonds getting shot by drug dealers. Just a salty Yankee fan who thinks if u say this is the rule and u don't get in but this guy can cause we like him is wrong.

"average power" LOL jesus.





Also you really think playing in "little league" ball park really made that big of a difference? At age 39 his average HR distance was 410 feet. Beyond that, center field is 420, right is 380 and he's a pull hitter.

1. Clemens and Bonds should be first ballot and should have gotten in before Papi
2. Papi is a hall of famer

Both things should be true.

Also laughing at someone getting shot ain't it chief.

 

[g-time]

He led the league in slugging at age 40. That’s a little eye opening.

 

[onewearz]

"average power" LOL jesus.





Also you really think playing in "little league" ball park really made that big of a difference? At age 39 his average HR distance was 410 feet. Beyond that, center field is 420, right is 380 and he's a pull hitter.

1. Clemens and Bonds should be first ballot and should have gotten in before Papi
2. Papi is a hall of famer

Both things should be true.

Also laughing at someone getting shot ain't it chief.

he hit 58 HR's as a twin in 6 years , 231 in his next 6 yrs with the Sox, 310 in last 8 yrs .. yeah, with the Twins he had average power. and yes, he did damage in a little league park, you're not changing my opinion showing me his first ML HR .......

and of course someone getting shot is not funny, i'm only pointing out the fact that he did get shot because of the people he's been around is what makes me laugh. especially when people call out character on the other guys. u get shot dealing with drug dealers , you're image goes down a peg or two ...

 

[JD617]

He didn't have average power.

He beat Griffey and A-Rod in a HR derby when he was only 20, before he even reached the big leagues.

David and Goliaths: How a young Big Papi beat Griffey, A-Rod in the greatest HR derby you've never heard of

Twenty years ago in Appleton, Wisconsin, a minor leaguer called David Arias, now known as David Ortiz, went up against two of the game's greatest sluggers -- and crushed them.

www.espn.com

 

[getback]

he hit 58 HR's as a twin in 6 years , 231 in his next 6 yrs with the Sox, 310 in last 8 yrs .. yeah, with the Twins he had average power. and yes, he did damage in a little league park, you're not changing my opinion showing me his first ML HR .......

He's always had power. If you're 6'3" 200+ and a major league hitter, you have power. Period. Sounds like you're just talking about him as an overall hitter in Minnesota.

He didn't need steroids or a short opposite field fence to boost his power numbers, he just needed to learn how to hit.

Enter Ron Jackson.

You think Bonds needed a little league 326 ft porch at SafeCo or steroids to do what he did?

 

[onewearz]

maybe all i remember is him killing the Yanks over the monsta

 

[DeadsetAce]

maybe all i remember is him killing the Yanks over the monsta

great memories

not a homer but clutch....

 

[onewearz]

u cuttin deep with that ....

 

[onewearz]

looking at next years class irritates me knowing this years guys are being locked out

Ellsbury a Yankee

if he got in before Arod

 

[651akathepaul]

Ortiz was just as good and had power in Minnesota. I was frustrated even as a kid back then because he didn't get a lot of at bats, comparatively. Tom Kelly and then Gardenhire just wouldn't play him at 1st. Then late in his time with Minnesota, Doug Mientkiewicz was a gold glover at 1st, so he was never going to play 1st. The second he goes to Boston and is utilized as an every day player, he goes off. He went from a max of high 400s plate appearances (and that definitely wasn't every season) in Minnesota to the 600s in Boston. He would've been a 600 HR career guy if Minnesota used him.

 

[frink85]

“Eithier”?

Even dodger fans don’t bother I bet he hates spell check

 

[Nike Jordan]

looking at next years class irritates me knowing this years guys are being locked out

Ellsbury a Yankee

if he got in before Arod

Maybe Beltran, maybe K-Rod.

 

[lightweight champion]

Maybe Beltran, maybe K-Rod.

Exactly what I was thinking. But that’s about it.

 

[c flyness]

 

[651akathepaul]

Maybe Beltran, maybe K-Rod.

Exactly what I was thinking. But that’s about it.

Same.

Weak class.

 

[Retroballer]

Maybe Beltran, maybe K-Rod.

Here is the next test. Beltran was clearly one of the main guys in the Astros cheating scandal. Do the writers even care about that?

 

[getback]

Here is the next test. Beltran was clearly one of the main guys in the Astros cheating scandal. Do the writers even care about that?

They will 100%. Especially since a lot of folks think he was a main architect along with Cora.

 

[DsLee]

 

[yankeesking92]

Anyone involved in the Astros cheating scandal should be banned from the HOF and record books. Their treachery and deception is of the highest order and none involved should ever be allowed to enjoy anything baseball wise.

 

[RyGuy45]

Ortiz was just as good and had power in Minnesota. I was frustrated even as a kid back then because he didn't get a lot of at bats, comparatively. Tom Kelly and then Gardenhire just wouldn't play him at 1st. Then late in his time with Minnesota, Doug Mientkiewicz was a gold glover at 1st, so he was never going to play 1st. The second he goes to Boston and is utilized as an every day player, he goes off. He went from a max of high 400s plate appearances (and that definitely wasn't every season) in Minnesota to the 600s in Boston. He would've been a 600 HR career guy if Minnesota used him.

Remember these Sports Illustrated comments though?

No way this dude was coming anywhere close to who he is if he stayed in Minnesota and still got 600 ABs.

2006:
Ortiz had felt stifled in Minnesota, an organization that so emphasizes situational hitting that no Twin has hit 30 home runs in a season since 1987. The 6'4" Ortiz was the square peg who didn't fit in the round hole. "They wanted me to stay inside the ball," Ortiz says, referring to a style in which a lefthanded hitter tries to hit inside pitches to leftfield. "(The Twins) were teaching that to everyone. That's why nobody ever hits home runs there. But when you're young in the big leagues and the coach tells you to do something and you don't do it and you get negative results, then you're f-----. They're going to sit you down."

The Twins, Ortiz says, so enthusiastically stressed small-ball tactics such as hitting behind runners that "if you moved the runner over from second base [with a groundout], you got high fives in the dugout like you just hit a homerun."

Ortiz blames former Twins manager Tom Kelly for his light-hitting early seasons, saying that the manager favored slap hitters because of the Metrodome’s turf. “So I kissed his *** for a couple of years and became the biggest slap hitter you’ll ever see."

So in his first at bat with the Red Sox, while batting cleanup in a spring training game, Ortiz happened to come up with a runner on second base and no outs. "I came in with that little pull, cheap-shot s---," said Ortiz, explaining his grounder to second base on an outside sinker. "I still had the Minnesota Twins in my system."

This time there were no high fives waiting for him in the dugout, just manager Grady Little with a word of advice. "Hey," Little said. "Next time? Bring him in."

Ortiz smiles at the memory. "I was like, O.K.!" he says. "I had a little more freedom than what I was used to."

 

[651akathepaul]

^There ya go...

 

[Fozz]

Let's go Farhan!

 

[getback]

Changes by the hour, lol.

Oh, Actually, the "GM Consensus" is that Seiya Suzuki Will Sign with the Giants? - Bleacher Nation

The reporting on top Japanese bat Seiya Suzuki is now all over the place.

www.bleachernation.com

Never even heard of dude until this week. People in here watch Japanese baseball?