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This guy has been putting out good content. Really like his breakdowns.
2025 NBA Draft Thread
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Warriors would trade the pick before taking Deni at 2.
Knicks arent drafting Obi.
Love Haliburton in Pheonix.
Would be shocked if Maxey falls to 14. Celtics would luck out big time.
B Sox
whats the consensus on what Boston wants to do with their picks? Wondering if they'd do an 8 for 14+26 swap.
Knicks arent drafting Obi.
Love Haliburton in Pheonix.
Would be shocked if Maxey falls to 14. Celtics would luck out big time.
B Sox
whats the consensus on what Boston wants to do with their picks? Wondering if they'd do an 8 for 14+26 swap.
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Yeah there's some head scratchers in his mock for sure.Warriors would trade the pick before taking Deni at 2.
Knicks arent drafting Obi.
Love Haliburton in Pheonix.
Would be shocked if Maxey falls to 14. Celtics would luck out big time.
Cs would definitely make that trade with Detroit or the Knicks if Okongwu or Haliburton are on the board.
Most mocks have Maxey falling out of the lotto. I'd be perfectly happy with him at 14 if we were to stay there.
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Definitely feel like there should be talks there. You guys getting Haliburton and us potentially having one of Kira/Hampton/Maxey at 14 and Bey/Bolmaro at 26.
Win win situation.
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No way the Cs are bringing three more rookies onto the team.
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I doubt it, but there is definitely dead weight at the end of the roster that could easily be replaced. Javonte Green, Ojeleye, Vincent Poirier. There's upperclassmen at the end of the first that could probably come in and play right away if needed. Guys like Xavier Tillman and Grant Riller come to mind. Desmond Bane if he were to fall.
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- Nov 5, 2012
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Again Midas whale take a chance on scrubb even at the end of the first round. Why not
- Jul 3, 2012
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Rj Hampton n Cole Anthony should be lottery picks 
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Seems like a guy Philly should be targeting as a trade up or with 34/36
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This dude's mock looking crazy.
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How similar is Obi to Derrick Williams?
Admittedly, I didn’t watch him that much last season
Admittedly, I didn’t watch him that much last season
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Derrick had more range coming out of Arizona, but wasn't as athletic as Toppin.
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Warriors take a trip for a close-up look at draft prospect Deni Avdija
Steve Kerr and other members of the Warriors organization worked out Maccabi Tel Aviv prospect Deni Avdija on Thursday morning in Atlanta, according to sources. By all accounts, it was a positive get together, one in which the 19-year-old Israeli impressed observers. Not only did Avdija perform well in the workouts, but Warriors officials were blown away after meeting with him. The universal takeaway was that he’s a “great kid” with an immense work ethic.
With the 2020 NBA Draft less than a month away, the Warriors are still in their information-gathering phase. While it is not clear whether they are considering taking Avdija at pick No. 2 or to trade down to take him later, the meeting itself reveals something. If the Warriors were dead set on trading the No. 2 pick for veteran help, they would not schlep out all the way to Atlanta, where Avdija is based right now. The option of getting and developing a young player is clearly on the table.
It is a bit unclear what role Avdija could conceivably take on for the Warriors if selected. He’s a large wing (recently listed at 6-foot-9, 210 pounds) with an above-average handle, qualities that might overlap with what Draymond Green and Eric Paschall do on offense. At the same time, this current Warriors roster has a relative dearth of playmakers, and Avdija has shown an ability to create off of the bounce. Though his Maccabi role has not been expansive, Avdija was trusted as the ball handler in pick-and-roll situations. If he can succeed in that role at the next level, it could open up avenues for the Warriors to get Steph Curry the ball, as opposed to leaning on him to create so much. The same can be said for Avdija’s transition abilities. At Maccabi, Avdija would often find offense in coast-to-coast attacks, a skill that could prove quite useful for a Warriors team that loves to spread the floor and run.
Avdija has also demonstrated a penchant for post-ups, which has been a void in the Warriors offense, among many, since Kevin Durant left for Brooklyn. Though the Warriors also currently have a hole at the center spot, which could be filled by, say, James Wiseman, an Avdija selection might be aimed at addressing the versatility that’s been lost over the last couple years. Without Andre Iguodala and other pass-first veterans, the Warriors sure didn’t play like “the Warriors” in 2019-20. Yes, it’s suboptimal for a Western Conference squad to be small at the five spot when going to war with Anthony Davis and Nikola Jokić, but the past dynastic run was propelled by that aforementioned versatility. An Avdija selection would be an attempt at propelling the offense forward, while returning it to the glory days of the not-so-distant past.
That might be getting too far ahead of the plot, though. For now, the Warriors just want to make sure they’re getting the best player available in a draft that’s shrouded in mystery. That process included flying to Atlanta to workout a teenager from Israel.
Steve Kerr and other members of the Warriors organization worked out Maccabi Tel Aviv prospect Deni Avdija on Thursday morning in Atlanta, according to sources. By all accounts, it was a positive get together, one in which the 19-year-old Israeli impressed observers. Not only did Avdija perform well in the workouts, but Warriors officials were blown away after meeting with him. The universal takeaway was that he’s a “great kid” with an immense work ethic.
With the 2020 NBA Draft less than a month away, the Warriors are still in their information-gathering phase. While it is not clear whether they are considering taking Avdija at pick No. 2 or to trade down to take him later, the meeting itself reveals something. If the Warriors were dead set on trading the No. 2 pick for veteran help, they would not schlep out all the way to Atlanta, where Avdija is based right now. The option of getting and developing a young player is clearly on the table.
It is a bit unclear what role Avdija could conceivably take on for the Warriors if selected. He’s a large wing (recently listed at 6-foot-9, 210 pounds) with an above-average handle, qualities that might overlap with what Draymond Green and Eric Paschall do on offense. At the same time, this current Warriors roster has a relative dearth of playmakers, and Avdija has shown an ability to create off of the bounce. Though his Maccabi role has not been expansive, Avdija was trusted as the ball handler in pick-and-roll situations. If he can succeed in that role at the next level, it could open up avenues for the Warriors to get Steph Curry the ball, as opposed to leaning on him to create so much. The same can be said for Avdija’s transition abilities. At Maccabi, Avdija would often find offense in coast-to-coast attacks, a skill that could prove quite useful for a Warriors team that loves to spread the floor and run.
Avdija has also demonstrated a penchant for post-ups, which has been a void in the Warriors offense, among many, since Kevin Durant left for Brooklyn. Though the Warriors also currently have a hole at the center spot, which could be filled by, say, James Wiseman, an Avdija selection might be aimed at addressing the versatility that’s been lost over the last couple years. Without Andre Iguodala and other pass-first veterans, the Warriors sure didn’t play like “the Warriors” in 2019-20. Yes, it’s suboptimal for a Western Conference squad to be small at the five spot when going to war with Anthony Davis and Nikola Jokić, but the past dynastic run was propelled by that aforementioned versatility. An Avdija selection would be an attempt at propelling the offense forward, while returning it to the glory days of the not-so-distant past.
That might be getting too far ahead of the plot, though. For now, the Warriors just want to make sure they’re getting the best player available in a draft that’s shrouded in mystery. That process included flying to Atlanta to workout a teenager from Israel.
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I must've missed this:
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yep and that’s when the stock started to rise.
ill forever hate Derrick Williams for that sweet 16 game
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Thompson: Warriors saw Anthony Edwards, James Wiseman — top of draft board set?
The Warriors, on their barnstorming tour for draft prospects, have been to Atlanta and Miami, window shopping for the No. 2 pick. Sources said it’s a small traveling party: Joe Lacob, Bob Myers, Steve Kerr and director of sports medicine and performance Rick Celebrini. In Atlanta, they watched the workout of Deni Avdija, who I highly doubt they take that high in the draft. But they did see something on this road trip, sources said, that would make them just fine with making a selection at No. 2. Two somethings actually.
Anthony Edwards. James Wiseman.
I put them in alphabetical order, so don’t get ahead of yourself. Word out of the workouts is that both of them were “beasts.”
Wiseman is as big and skilled as advertised. They also liked him when they had their conversation/interview or whatever it was.
Edwards’ exceptional athleticism jumped out in person. He seemed to really impress the Warriors with his freakishness. He must have done something like this.
For a team open about the need for more size and athleticism, it sounds as if they’d be fine with either player, depending on what Minnesota does ahead of them.
But there is still one more must-see player out there. One player who piques the Warriors’ interest — and rightfully so, never mind the narratives of the haters out there — because of his size and skill. That player is LaMelo Ball.
If I had to handicap it, the Warriors’ choice with the No. 2 pick will come down to three players: Ball, Edwards, Wiseman. See, I did the alphabetical thing again so you can’t say I ranked them. Of course, trading the pick is still on the table. It’s probably their preferred option. But 26 days out from the draft, they’ve crossed an important bridge. They’ve gotten to see the top talents up close. They will probably see more, especially to be ready for a trade-down scenario. That’s why I’d guess they’re getting a good look at Avdija. But there is a sense that if they have to use the pick, they’ve got a viable draft board and a couple of guys they might actually want.
It could all just be draft-day posturing, too.
Something to think about: It does say something that Edwards and Wiseman have worked out in front of the Warriors and there is no such word of those players working out for Minnesota. Presumably, it’s coming. But wouldn’t both of those guys prefer to go No. 1? If so, wouldn’t they prioritize getting in front of the Timberwolves first? And because we’ve been down this road before, with the Warriors directly behind Minnesota in the lottery, would the Timberwolves draft a player they didn’t get to see up close during the draft process?
If there isn’t a good trade on the table, one of those three guys will be on the board for the Warriors. How they rank on the Warriors’ draft board is another story.
First, it’s about readiness and star potential. The Warriors can’t go full project. They need somebody who can contribute now while they have a championship window with Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green. But they also need a player who can grow into an anchoring core piece down the road, if not an All-Star. They need somebody who can help the Big Three and also supplant them in the team’s hierarchy eventually. At least be good enough to maximize the back end of their primes.
Obviously, if they could trade for such a player, a transitional talent who can do both — who is a veteran — that would be most ideal. They’d at least know what they are getting. But failing that, if they go with the pick, the Warriors need to at least attempt to land a player who can be more than a role player at some point. You don’t use the No. 2 pick on a player you think might be a good minutes-eater off the bench.
The interesting thing to ponder is: How much did Edwards impress the Warriors? If Ball goes No. 1, as The Athletic mock draft currently has him, who do the Warriors take then?
Edwards seems to be less of a fit than the other two, at least for the immediate future. He’s 6-foot-5 by most accounts. But the NBA’s Draft 2020 bio has him at 6-3; is that a typo or a more accurate measure? His weight ranges from 225 to 235 pounds, the latter is what the NBA lists. ESPN has him at 6-3, 225. He’s drawn comparisons to Dwyane Wade and Donovan Mitchell because of his athleticism and knack for scoring. But if he’s closer to their height, that’s a bit concerning for a team looking to add size. Also, they have Curry, Thompson and Andrew Wiggins who will gobble up most of the perimeter minutes.
How would they use Edwards in the interim? A scorer off the bench? Not sure he is refined enough offensively to walk into the league get buckets off the bench. That’s not so easy to do.
Would they start him as a third guard with Wiggins and Green as the two bigs? That’s just not how Kerr rolls. And they want to get bigger, remember?
Edwards, however, would instantly ratchet up their athleticism and he could end up their starting shooting guard one day if he proves to be as natural of a scorer as he seems. Give him time to work on his 3-ball (29.4 percent in college at Georgia) — oh yeah, he shot it really well in front of the Warriors — and he could be the leading scorer of the future. Possible.
But how will that shot translate? Will he stretch his imagination offensively from the high-volume, inefficient scoring model and learn the Warriors’ way of movement, cutting and passing? How will he handle coming to a team that only needs him to be a role player at first?
The fact that Edwards was able to impress the Warriors with his athleticism even though everyone knows he’s athletic is probably a hint at how Edwards has been grinding. That does speak to his discipline and work ethic.
Wiseman is much more of an obvious fit.
The NBA’s draft website lists him as 7-1, 247 pounds, which fits in the range of where most seem to have his measurements. If we know anything about Kerr, it’s that his preference is to have a center on the floor. He will go small, but he likes to save the card. And since the small-ball center who makes it work is 30 years old, Kerr really is not going to want to ride a small lineup hard.
Also, as we talked about on the latest episode of the “Warriors Plus-Minus” podcast, the Warriors had to have watched what went on in the NBA bubble and realized they need more size. The two most dominant teams in the Western Conference were the Lakers with Anthony Davis and Denver with Nikola Jokić. Even the Clippers’ 7-footer Ivica Zubac can feast on small teams. The Warriors need to be able to get big.
The ideal has always been a big who can also play on the perimeter. It’s why Anthony Davis is such a matchup nightmare (even though he doesn’t want to play center), because he can protect the rim, cover guards on the perimeter when a switch happens and shoot the ball from deep. He’s a power forward who can do some center things. That’s what Green becomes for the Warriors.
Wiseman, if you look at him through the most idealistic glasses, has some of the tools to allow that. Not sure how that shot will look, but he should be able to protect the rim with his size. And the evident athleticism from his brief collegiate stint at Memphis and in other settings suggests he should not be a fish out of water if he gets switched on a pick-and-roll, so long as he learns techniques and the game plan and wants to be great defensively. And he can be what the Warriors need now: a rim-runner, a screen-setter, a shot-blocker, a lob-catcher, a big who runs the floor. Those things won’t take much.
His combination of size, skill and athleticism seems to make it a high-percentage bet he is a functional NBA center if he is coachable.
But … is he coachable? Does he have a motor? Will the skill that looks good on workout videos look as good against live NBA defense? With his lack of experience in actual games, how will he handle the read-and-react heavy system of the Warriors?
We’ll get to Ball eventually. I know a couple of people in the organization think he is super talented. But let’s wait on word from his workout.
The unique thing about this trio is that only one of them is possibly a plus on defense initially, and it’s the 7-1 guy. Kerr really has a hard time swallowing defensive liabilities on the court. Edwards’ defensive issues are heightened if he really is only 6-3. And Ball is 6-7, 190 pounds, per the NBA’s measurements, and has the frame and instincts to be a good defender. I can see the Warriors convincing themselves they can turn him into a good defender.
Or maybe, the star potential they bring limits the defensive concerns. If that’s the case, I’d probably add Dayton power forward Obi Toppin to the list of possibles. His defense is an issue, but he’s probably the most ready to produce offensively for the Warriors. Because he is 22, that might scare off the upside police. He definitely gives off maxed-out-in-college vibes. But that’s less often true with skill-based players. Skill has a way of growing when around better players. Some of these older players defy expectations by improving once they get in the league even if they got overlooked because they were older. Pascal Siakam comes to mind.
Toppin doesn’t have the type of jump-off-the-page upside as the three aforementioned. And he doesn’t exactly address the need for size. But if he grows into a player, there will be no shortage of talking heads saying “it’s because he spent three years in college!”
We’ll be talking more about this later.
The Warriors, on their barnstorming tour for draft prospects, have been to Atlanta and Miami, window shopping for the No. 2 pick. Sources said it’s a small traveling party: Joe Lacob, Bob Myers, Steve Kerr and director of sports medicine and performance Rick Celebrini. In Atlanta, they watched the workout of Deni Avdija, who I highly doubt they take that high in the draft. But they did see something on this road trip, sources said, that would make them just fine with making a selection at No. 2. Two somethings actually.
Anthony Edwards. James Wiseman.
I put them in alphabetical order, so don’t get ahead of yourself. Word out of the workouts is that both of them were “beasts.”
Wiseman is as big and skilled as advertised. They also liked him when they had their conversation/interview or whatever it was.
Edwards’ exceptional athleticism jumped out in person. He seemed to really impress the Warriors with his freakishness. He must have done something like this.
For a team open about the need for more size and athleticism, it sounds as if they’d be fine with either player, depending on what Minnesota does ahead of them.
But there is still one more must-see player out there. One player who piques the Warriors’ interest — and rightfully so, never mind the narratives of the haters out there — because of his size and skill. That player is LaMelo Ball.
If I had to handicap it, the Warriors’ choice with the No. 2 pick will come down to three players: Ball, Edwards, Wiseman. See, I did the alphabetical thing again so you can’t say I ranked them. Of course, trading the pick is still on the table. It’s probably their preferred option. But 26 days out from the draft, they’ve crossed an important bridge. They’ve gotten to see the top talents up close. They will probably see more, especially to be ready for a trade-down scenario. That’s why I’d guess they’re getting a good look at Avdija. But there is a sense that if they have to use the pick, they’ve got a viable draft board and a couple of guys they might actually want.
It could all just be draft-day posturing, too.
Something to think about: It does say something that Edwards and Wiseman have worked out in front of the Warriors and there is no such word of those players working out for Minnesota. Presumably, it’s coming. But wouldn’t both of those guys prefer to go No. 1? If so, wouldn’t they prioritize getting in front of the Timberwolves first? And because we’ve been down this road before, with the Warriors directly behind Minnesota in the lottery, would the Timberwolves draft a player they didn’t get to see up close during the draft process?
If there isn’t a good trade on the table, one of those three guys will be on the board for the Warriors. How they rank on the Warriors’ draft board is another story.
First, it’s about readiness and star potential. The Warriors can’t go full project. They need somebody who can contribute now while they have a championship window with Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green. But they also need a player who can grow into an anchoring core piece down the road, if not an All-Star. They need somebody who can help the Big Three and also supplant them in the team’s hierarchy eventually. At least be good enough to maximize the back end of their primes.
Obviously, if they could trade for such a player, a transitional talent who can do both — who is a veteran — that would be most ideal. They’d at least know what they are getting. But failing that, if they go with the pick, the Warriors need to at least attempt to land a player who can be more than a role player at some point. You don’t use the No. 2 pick on a player you think might be a good minutes-eater off the bench.
The interesting thing to ponder is: How much did Edwards impress the Warriors? If Ball goes No. 1, as The Athletic mock draft currently has him, who do the Warriors take then?
Edwards seems to be less of a fit than the other two, at least for the immediate future. He’s 6-foot-5 by most accounts. But the NBA’s Draft 2020 bio has him at 6-3; is that a typo or a more accurate measure? His weight ranges from 225 to 235 pounds, the latter is what the NBA lists. ESPN has him at 6-3, 225. He’s drawn comparisons to Dwyane Wade and Donovan Mitchell because of his athleticism and knack for scoring. But if he’s closer to their height, that’s a bit concerning for a team looking to add size. Also, they have Curry, Thompson and Andrew Wiggins who will gobble up most of the perimeter minutes.
How would they use Edwards in the interim? A scorer off the bench? Not sure he is refined enough offensively to walk into the league get buckets off the bench. That’s not so easy to do.
Would they start him as a third guard with Wiggins and Green as the two bigs? That’s just not how Kerr rolls. And they want to get bigger, remember?
Edwards, however, would instantly ratchet up their athleticism and he could end up their starting shooting guard one day if he proves to be as natural of a scorer as he seems. Give him time to work on his 3-ball (29.4 percent in college at Georgia) — oh yeah, he shot it really well in front of the Warriors — and he could be the leading scorer of the future. Possible.
But how will that shot translate? Will he stretch his imagination offensively from the high-volume, inefficient scoring model and learn the Warriors’ way of movement, cutting and passing? How will he handle coming to a team that only needs him to be a role player at first?
The fact that Edwards was able to impress the Warriors with his athleticism even though everyone knows he’s athletic is probably a hint at how Edwards has been grinding. That does speak to his discipline and work ethic.
Wiseman is much more of an obvious fit.
The NBA’s draft website lists him as 7-1, 247 pounds, which fits in the range of where most seem to have his measurements. If we know anything about Kerr, it’s that his preference is to have a center on the floor. He will go small, but he likes to save the card. And since the small-ball center who makes it work is 30 years old, Kerr really is not going to want to ride a small lineup hard.
Also, as we talked about on the latest episode of the “Warriors Plus-Minus” podcast, the Warriors had to have watched what went on in the NBA bubble and realized they need more size. The two most dominant teams in the Western Conference were the Lakers with Anthony Davis and Denver with Nikola Jokić. Even the Clippers’ 7-footer Ivica Zubac can feast on small teams. The Warriors need to be able to get big.
The ideal has always been a big who can also play on the perimeter. It’s why Anthony Davis is such a matchup nightmare (even though he doesn’t want to play center), because he can protect the rim, cover guards on the perimeter when a switch happens and shoot the ball from deep. He’s a power forward who can do some center things. That’s what Green becomes for the Warriors.
Wiseman, if you look at him through the most idealistic glasses, has some of the tools to allow that. Not sure how that shot will look, but he should be able to protect the rim with his size. And the evident athleticism from his brief collegiate stint at Memphis and in other settings suggests he should not be a fish out of water if he gets switched on a pick-and-roll, so long as he learns techniques and the game plan and wants to be great defensively. And he can be what the Warriors need now: a rim-runner, a screen-setter, a shot-blocker, a lob-catcher, a big who runs the floor. Those things won’t take much.
His combination of size, skill and athleticism seems to make it a high-percentage bet he is a functional NBA center if he is coachable.
But … is he coachable? Does he have a motor? Will the skill that looks good on workout videos look as good against live NBA defense? With his lack of experience in actual games, how will he handle the read-and-react heavy system of the Warriors?
We’ll get to Ball eventually. I know a couple of people in the organization think he is super talented. But let’s wait on word from his workout.
The unique thing about this trio is that only one of them is possibly a plus on defense initially, and it’s the 7-1 guy. Kerr really has a hard time swallowing defensive liabilities on the court. Edwards’ defensive issues are heightened if he really is only 6-3. And Ball is 6-7, 190 pounds, per the NBA’s measurements, and has the frame and instincts to be a good defender. I can see the Warriors convincing themselves they can turn him into a good defender.
Or maybe, the star potential they bring limits the defensive concerns. If that’s the case, I’d probably add Dayton power forward Obi Toppin to the list of possibles. His defense is an issue, but he’s probably the most ready to produce offensively for the Warriors. Because he is 22, that might scare off the upside police. He definitely gives off maxed-out-in-college vibes. But that’s less often true with skill-based players. Skill has a way of growing when around better players. Some of these older players defy expectations by improving once they get in the league even if they got overlooked because they were older. Pascal Siakam comes to mind.
Toppin doesn’t have the type of jump-off-the-page upside as the three aforementioned. And he doesn’t exactly address the need for size. But if he grows into a player, there will be no shortage of talking heads saying “it’s because he spent three years in college!”
We’ll be talking more about this later.
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Warriors PR saying everyone beasting out lol
Smoke screen szn
Smoke screen szn
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They REALLY just want somebody to bite on a trade 
