Air Jordan XI Retro - White/Concord/Black - CONFIRMED - Holiday 2011

[harlemtothebronx]

So wait, 'milky toes' (

@ Me for using that term) are real?

I'm lost.

 

[zyr12]

Originally Posted by Zyzz

90% of their shoes are real, ok now we are getting somewhere. werent idiots in here saying all their shoes are fake? SMH

i know what your saying with the Concords and im curious too but i think they are legit but hey we will all see next week when people receive them plus maybe we will get more info,

The "grey" market for shoes is huge in China, I've personally talked to 4 different suppliers/wholesalers before I settled down. 
These Zoom Rookies are impossible to make good replicas. because the tech is too advance. 

When it comes to big releases, people tend to go separate directions for supplies, fakes cost less and are quicker to product, and this is reflected in the price of the shoes.

There's sites that take the stock, knowing they are fakes, and then there's sites that do not know that they got fakes.

How simple is that?

 

[three2three]

a. How hard is it to understand that info has to wait till shoes hit states once production is done? As soon as the toe cap thing came about is when all the delays started happening. If they divulge more info then the bootleggers will know what to attack next to perfect the shoe so theres no one going....???????hmmm...thats strange.

b. solesearch. Randy is full of it. How is he saying him and SDS are sending out the exact pairs when the pairs he sent out have all been see-through toes (the youtube lacky for all his releases, black fitted lame, and the 11 concords on ebay)

and who in their right mind would bet $50 of their money for site that they supposedly have no ties to? Why am i defending a store that I spend my money on...shouldn't the store be defending its customers?

 

[cubanref]

Originally Posted by zyr12

Originally Posted by solesearch22

Originally Posted by zyr12

Lee told me something else on the shoes that's different from the real ones and they (fake supplier) still don't know what it is so they can't do much about it. 

Zyzz, I will take that bet any day, let's get a NT agreement going, easy money.

I just don't get why you are holding back, if these shoes are being shipped and everything why don't you just tell us so we know what to look for? I will cancel my 15 pair order and send it your way if you can guarantee me my shoes from AR are going to be fakes. You run a business, and from one business man to another, you don't slander other companies for what "may or may not" be, but you do put yourself ahead by showing that YOUR product is better than the next guys. With that being said, wouldn't you rather EARN other people's money on these shoes than sit around and hold back info and watch people get scammed by competitors?

  

I have already stated that I'm in the same situation as Marquee, I'm not gonna bash my competitors because I know 90% of their other shoes are real, ie. Last Shots and Zoom Rookie.
I choose my words carefully because really, this business circle is quite small.

and how I show MY product is better than the next guys? I don't even have the Concords in yet. 

 

Hence there's a chance of you to attack my credibility, sure, go ahead. There's reasons and time tables for early releases. 

We get shoes early, but not TOO early.

And in case you still can't infer a lot of the facts from a lot of actual "whistle-blowers" that posted in this thread, you are better off listening to these B-grade AKA Variants AKA oh-they-are-made-by-Nike theories.

But didn't you say you were getting Concords next week 

 

[dtb00201]

Originally Posted by zyr12

Originally Posted by Zyzz

90% of their shoes are real, ok now we are getting somewhere. werent idiots in here saying all their shoes are fake? SMH

i know what your saying with the Concords and im curious too but i think they are legit but hey we will all see next week when people receive them plus maybe we will get more info,

The "grey" market for shoes is huge in China, I've personally talked to 4 different suppliers/wholesalers before I settled down. 
These Zoom Rookies are impossible to make good replicas. because the tech is too advance. 

When it comes to big releases, people tend to go separate directions for supplies, fakes cost less and are quicker to product, and this is reflected in the price of the shoes.

There's sites that take the stock, knowing they are fakes, and then there's sites that do not know that they got fakes.

How simple is that?

What changed though? Fakes were never this accurate. What breakthrough has been made, because fakes were always pretty easy to spot. These new ones seem to be made out of the exact same materials.

 

[zyr12]

Originally Posted by cubanref

Originally Posted by zyr12

Originally Posted by solesearch22

I just don't get why you are holding back, if these shoes are being shipped and everything why don't you just tell us so we know what to look for? I will cancel my 15 pair order and send it your way if you can guarantee me my shoes from AR are going to be fakes. You run a business, and from one business man to another, you don't slander other companies for what "may or may not" be, but you do put yourself ahead by showing that YOUR product is better than the next guys. With that being said, wouldn't you rather EARN other people's money on these shoes than sit around and hold back info and watch people get scammed by competitors?

  

I have already stated that I'm in the same situation as Marquee, I'm not gonna bash my competitors because I know 90% of their other shoes are real, ie. Last Shots and Zoom Rookie.
I choose my words carefully because really, this business circle is quite small.

and how I show MY product is better than the next guys? I don't even have the Concords in yet. 

 

Hence there's a chance of you to attack my credibility, sure, go ahead. There's reasons and time tables for early releases. 

We get shoes early, but not TOO early.

And in case you still can't infer a lot of the facts from a lot of actual "whistle-blowers" that posted in this thread, you are better off listening to these B-grade AKA Variants AKA oh-they-are-made-by-Nike theories.

But didn't you say you were getting Concords next week 

End of the month, yep.

 

[Bert.]

Originally Posted by three2three

a. How hard is it to understand that info has to wait till shoes hit states once production is done? As soon as the toe cap thing came about is when all the delays started happening. If they divulge more info then the bootleggers will know what to attack next to perfect the shoe so theres no one going....???????hmmm...thats strange.

b. solesearch. Randy is full of it. How is he saying him and SDS are sending out the exact pairs when the pairs he sent out have all been see-through toes (the youtube lacky for all his releases, black fitted lame, and the 11 concords on ebay)

and who in their right mind would bet $50 of their money for site that they supposedly have no ties to? Why am i defending a store that I spend my money on...shouldn't the store be defending its customers?

clearly you ignore my posts. i bought concords from him as well thats why im betting $50 they are real. man you want me to work for them or something? i mean i can email him and see if he will send me over to china and sell shoes on the street for him. hope it pays well.

 

[sosmoove]

Originally Posted by zyr12

Lee told me something else on the shoes that's different from the real ones and they (fake supplier) still don't know what it is so they can't do much about it. 

Zyzz, I will take that bet any day, let's get a NT agreement going, easy money.

Good. Every minor detail counts so I think its great that you wont speak on it until folks start getting pairs. Last thing we need is fake suppliers adjusting *++$ again to bring more confusion. Everyone can break down every damn detail and then we'll know who sold what and end this debate.

 

[cubanref]

Originally Posted by zyr12

Originally Posted by cubanref

Originally Posted by zyr12

I have already stated that I'm in the same situation as Marquee, I'm not gonna bash my competitors because I know 90% of their other shoes are real, ie. Last Shots and Zoom Rookie.
I choose my words carefully because really, this business circle is quite small.

and how I show MY product is better than the next guys? I don't even have the Concords in yet. 

 

Hence there's a chance of you to attack my credibility, sure, go ahead. There's reasons and time tables for early releases. 

We get shoes early, but not TOO early.

And in case you still can't infer a lot of the facts from a lot of actual "whistle-blowers" that posted in this thread, you are better off listening to these B-grade AKA Variants AKA oh-they-are-made-by-Nike theories.

But didn't you say you were getting Concords next week 

End of the month, yep.

So you don't consider that too early? I'm not saying that you aren't legit, just trying to get answers like everyone else one here 

 

[Bert.]

his shoes will be the exact as SDS, AR, and every other site. FACT

 

[cashm0neyand1]

SDS has the non see-thru toe (milky toe cap) so i assuming they are the legit ones based on the "new" unofficial rule? The video of the guy who bought from marqueesole has see thru toes which are fake using this new unofficial rule. Concords are blowing my mind away.

 

[zyr12]

Originally Posted by Zyzz

his shoes will be the exact as SDS, AR, and every other site. FACT

Quoted for later down the road.

 

[jay zoe2]

Originally Posted by Vuey

Originally Posted by jay zoe2

It's a natural progression.  First the issue was straight up fake shoes, that it moved to slightly passable fake.  Afte that is was B-Grades being passed off, now we've gotten to the point were they are actually being allowed/are able to to get authentic unapproved pairs.  The are pretty much the same stuff that Footlocker/Champs/Eastbay will be getting,  They just aren't on Nike/JB inventory manifest and they aren't being quality checked or stamped. 
Question: If non-federal entities find a way where they can get ten minutes a day at the federal print were they have access to all $100 print press and all the legit sheets, inks, and water markings that the government uses; is the money that they print during that ten minute time frame not as real as the bills that were printed twenty minutes prior by Federal Mint Employees - in the same location using the same equipement and supplies?

To answer your silly question, it would be illegal currency, as it is not approved by your government as legal tender !In this case it's Nike.

Silly question?  Well, that's what is going on right now.  Yes, it is illegal currency, but even the government would have NO WAY of differentiating (except by looking at the sequential serial numbers) the two batches of bills since they are both made from the same materials and same process, and ORIGINATED from the same press.  It's no longer that these "shadowy" figures are reverse engineering  and manufacturing the shoes on some off site sweatshop.  These shoes are the real thing, they just don't go through proper channels (quality control, manifested).  It's just that Beaverton didn't authorize it.
As more info comes out and the curtains are pulled back, you guys will be forever changed and shocked at what is allowed to happen and how much access that some of these guys now have.   

 

[jecca650]

But the thing is the shoes aren't the same. Look at the pics of sds vs ar. They ain't the same.

 

[Bert.]

Originally Posted by zyr12

Originally Posted by Zyzz

his shoes will be the exact as SDS, AR, and every other site. FACT

Quoted for later down the road.

if you prove me wrong and i get fake Concords from SDS(which i doubt), ill gladly buy a pair from you.

we will see how this plays out over the next 1-2 weeks.

 

[three2three]

Originally Posted by Zyzz

his shoes will be the exact as SDS, AR, and every other site. FACT

Bro, you already work for him.

 

[Original Playa Records]

This thread is too interesting.

 

[three2three]

Originally Posted by Zyzz

Originally Posted by zyr12

Originally Posted by Zyzz

his shoes will be the exact as SDS, AR, and every other site. FACT

Quoted for later down the road.

if you prove me wrong and i get fake Concords from SDS(which i doubt), ill gladly buy a pair from you.

we will see how this plays out over the next 1-2 weeks.

dont forget you gotta add $50 to the price.

 

[juaninzze]

Originally Posted by AirNoel2345

Originally Posted by coco8723

i got this email reply from SDS(jay) after i asked about the shipment and the delays etc (order #565):
Hello my dear friend!

Thanks for your email!

Sorry about that, because supplier made delay! I have no choice!

My shipping service specialist will send tracking number to you later today!

Please notice your email box!

Any more question please let me know!

Best regards

Jay

Seems like everyone started receiving their tracking # last night, including myself... And my order # is in very low 200s. So you should be getting it soon bro.

Got this same message word for word on my email about the delay.

 

[fijiloo]

at least Jay was a man of his word and refunded me for both my orders concords and spacejams. He gave me the run around for a couple days saying he would. because he was bs and not answering my emails I ended up filing a paypal claim and he quickly refunded my orders. I made up my mind he must be selling fakes.

 

[freeze]

Originally Posted by three2three

Originally Posted by Zyzz

Originally Posted by zyr12

Quoted for later down the road.

if you prove me wrong and i get fake Concords from SDS(which i doubt), ill gladly buy a pair from you.

we will see how this plays out over the next 1-2 weeks.

dont forget you gotta add $50 to the price.

haha!

 

[kingk777]

KOBEFTW wrote:

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Originally Posted by LadyExpensive

The shoe game is changing before our eyes..

This thread is like when we found out that a lot of rare Air Jordan Sample/PE's were actually being constructed by Lu in China.

Shoes were going for thousands on eBay ... no-one would have known.. It was unimaginable.

yes. the shoe game is changing. definitely for the better tho. for many years very high quality replicas have been bought and sold throughout the sneaker community.  since the shoes looked so real and no one really fought against these sites to the extent we are taking today, these sites became "legitimized" by the public. soon, these replica pairs started to infiltrate the market and proliferated throughout.  replica pairs were slanged knowingly and unknowingly on craigslist, ebay, niketalk, iss, and in some cases even  returned to places like footlocker. to add the problem is the fact that Jay's loyal customers can not admit that they are being deceived. Logic, facts, and rationale is thrown away and no matter what evidence is presented to them they will defend their sites.  

not only as a sneakerhead, but as a moral human being i believe that it is our duty to let others know about the deceit and lies being spread by these companies.  imo fake shoes will always exist no matter what.  however, it doesn't mean we say nothing and let these sites cheat people of their hard earned money. taking SlamDunkSpace off of the official 2011 legit website list is only the beginning. if you guys truly are "sneakerheads"let's try to restore some honesty back to the game.   

It's sad to watch, but people are indeed rationalizing the fact that they are purchasing illegitimate sneakers that are not actually Air Jordans. 

If the argument is that they are produced in the same factories and use the same materials, which according to all of the yea-sayers, they are (even if they are technically the same product run...whatever...), than isn't that the same argument people were using to justify variants?

Do you guys really want to compromise the brand we all know and love just so you can "cop months early" and "be THAT DUDE with the "exclusive" connect"? 

If you don't care and just want to "floss", than be China's guest.

I know that it doesn't make a difference in Nike's overall profit margin, but these dudes are getting multiple shipments already. Check Air Randy's facebook page with all of those people complaining about the Concord's.

Imagine if JB put out a limited release and we all (non-niketalk heads included) decided to purchase our pairs from these overseas "early-release" sites. They clearly have the supply game on lock down, since VMV STILL has the Ray-Ray XIII's. So say every single one of us cops from these guys, thus killing domestic demand for the shoe. Or even, less radically, if more and more people flocked to these sites, and it DID affect JB's product margin, we would see the further selling out of the brand to another country where, as someone stated before, international copyright law and intellectual property are regarded as much, or as little, as a pissy fly on a Cabrini-Green doormat.

Let the trend continue and build like hype tends to build in the "sneaker-game", as it is so fondly referred to by those who are "in the game" and "doin' it big", and perhaps online vendors such as VMV, Air Randy, and Slamdunkspace will replace Footlocker, Finishline, and Champs as the footwear staples of American malls. Possible, yes. Likely...I don't know. It sounds extreme, and I realize that JB would take action before letting any of this happen, but it's just some food for thought.

Watch where you spend your money. You vote with your dollar, and the mighty dollar speaks volumes...










  

 

[zyr12]

Originally Posted by three2three

Originally Posted by Zyzz

Originally Posted by zyr12

Quoted for later down the road.

if you prove me wrong and i get fake Concords from SDS(which i doubt), ill gladly buy a pair from you.

we will see how this plays out over the next 1-2 weeks.

dont forget you gotta add $50 to the price.

 

 

[fijiloo]

so what are the best legit websites to use on RD? other than eastbay which i hate. Im not camping planning on buying online.. any other websites other than NDC and nbastore?

 

[richiemcfly]

did anyone's order shipped yet from SDS?