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Likewise haha - definitely a bigger fan of the clear toe than the milky toe
Ah well, come December we'll see. In the mean time I'm gonna rock my AirRandy pair on feet and get myself a general release pair in Dec also
Air Jordan XI Retro - White/Concord/Black - CONFIRMED - Holiday 2011
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Likewise haha - definitely a bigger fan of the clear toe than the milky toe
Ah well, come December we'll see. In the mean time I'm gonna rock my AirRandy pair on feet and get myself a general release pair in Dec also
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december is a few months away, real kicks. im up for it
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cmon fellas..its all gravy..we on the same team here..right??
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Posted pics of my AR pair a few pages back...some of you dug them as well. I am satisfied with my pair, but regardless will be coppin' on RD as well. Wish we could be talkin' about the few pairs that have surfaced instead of more AR vs SDS...but with that being said...hope dudes get their claims/disputes/tracking #'s in order and taken care of... cuz this thread/early release has been a MONSTER eye opener.
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Just fille a dispute on paypal with my SDS purchase.. I think the best way to purchase early is to wait till maybe 2 months before the RD or until JB releases official snaps of the final product and have identify which is which and be able to sort everything out and identify as to where is the most appropriate site/joint to order... if the price increases by then i'll take the hit better safe than sorry...
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@PrinceofDE never was it about a popularity contest or whatever lil comeback it took u 3 edits to put 2gether...I was wonderin y u worried bout if I was use to money or sumthin like u passin out bread or sumthin "5"...and y'all chester bouls known for wearin bapes and such so spare me the i95 drive here to discuss sneaks "Prince"...u would be outta ya league...so since u so twitter-literate keep quotin what I said as if ur retweetin me "son"
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^^^
firstname and princeofde, just cut the BS. no one wants to hear you 2 go back and forth at one another.
firstname and princeofde, just cut the BS. no one wants to hear you 2 go back and forth at one another.
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Had you gotten your tracking number yet? I'm contemplating doing the same.
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Same here, I've ordered from SDS before in 2009 with the Jams but damn didn't think it be this serious to the point where Jay was going to be like AR, he didn't let me down before, didn't think he do the same this year.
I'm willing to wait until Friday, if nothing by then, then I guess filing a dispute I will. I would rather wait until RD or see if I can wait until online sites get them a bit earlier. Just hoping Jay pulls through.
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Alright, I am gonna catch a lot of fleck for this post, but I still decided to share some info.
Those of you who have been reading this thread religiously like I have, should remember an exchange between Ming(MSole's owner) and nooblee about nike sending ppl straight to the factories to see what is going on the XI line, and thus effectively making the factory almost non-functioning for a few days, or locked down as those two so eloquently put it. Welp, turns out this was true.
Most of us should know by now, shoes not yet in production are almost impossible to leak out, but once they hit production, with the quantity being made each day, shoes leak out. However, these shoes dont leak out to just anyone. Only those with close ties to the higher-ups, actually get access to these shoes. Some would like to think just any factory worker can get shoes out, and yea maybe they can, but definitely not in mass quantity. You have to know someone who is at least a manager to get these concords in large numbers.
Back to my point about the lockdown. Since production was stopped due to nike investigating possible leak in the early August, shoes were not being leaked out the first week of August. Now think back for a second. When did AR claim to have these shoes ready? You got it, it was the first week of August. How? He has his sources, but is that source one of Pou Chen's factory? Not possible, because of the lock down. So where did he get his? Honestly, dont know, not gonna specutulate either. Its none of my business, to be honet. However, lets just say, only a few official factories in China get designated to mass produce high end basketball shoes. Not even gonna go into which factory, as I am sure Nike prolly has eyes on this thread. However, I will say, not all models(1-2011) are produced in the same factory. For example, a factory that gets to produce the XIs, might not get to produce the VIs. Can someone check the recently released 2010 VIs and their SJ or CG? Check to see if the factory number is the same.....I am not even sure if they are or not, but i am told or lead to believe that they should be different.
If you had enough patience to read through all that, then you can start putting the pieces together. Why the delay at SDS? Yea, it was cause of the lock down. Pre-orders in nature are hard to control, you never know when Nike will decide to make a visit at a factory site. You can only go by what the ppl in the factory tell you.
Like someone have said already, shoes that leak out, are not retail packaged shoe. Ppl who get access to these early released shoes, most of the time, have to staff ppl to do their own inspection and retail packaging.........cause nike sure as hell isnt going to do it for them. Hence the reason why you get these early release shoes, and find the packaging to be less than satifactory. Shoe laces untied, anyone?
Like I have mentioned many time, these big factories, most of the time only do the assembly of the parts to create the shoe. The material, parts, accessories are not produced in the factory that does assembly. Most of the time, these parts/accessories are produced by related parties, or subsidiaries under the umbrella of Pou Chen or FengTay. This is precisely the reason why a lot of times these special shoe boxes differ in small details than the boxes you get on RD. Quality control is non-existence on these boxes, however, the shoes are 100% real.
Now, I am not going to stick my neck out again and say SDS is legit, blah blah blah. From now on, I will only share info about what I know. You guys can draw your own conclusion. I will say this, however, the delay in shippment might be a blessing in disguise.
Oh, and for the person complaing about not being able to get a 11.5.......................well, what can I tell, early releases shoes arent always produced in FSR, especially not half sizes. They will surface later on, just not right now.
Lastly, I just want to say, a lot of ppl here are from the US, and because of the way we're all brought up, we have come to expect things in retail to be done a certain way or held to a certain standard. All good points, and I understand that mentality completely, being that I lived in the US a long time too. However, coming back to Asia, its a learning experience. Non-existence return policy, crap customer service, business man trying to make a quick buck regardless of means. Its not all that uncommon at all. People here dont usually do business honestly all the time, and its not until after the fact, that you find out you have been deceived. When you buy from early release sites, you have to understand, you are not dealing with owners who are fully acustomed to the American culture, you are not dealing with retail businesses even, you are dealing with people who have connections to early released shoes. Most of the time, you will never hear a peep from them. If that is something you cant deal with, 2xx some bucks is too important to your bottomline, then dont buy from early release sites.
Having said all that, I am actually really surprised that SDS would even have ppl come on here to tell you guys those restocked SJs were questionable.
I am surprised he would respond to guys on here saying currently his paypal has insufficient fund right now, and wait a few days before the refund.
I am surprised he would tell the guy that he doesnt have a 11.5 right now.
There is a lot of info that quite frankly, if i were running his business, i would never ever tell you guys.
For the SJ, he wouldve been better off not saying anything, like the other sites, sneakerape, anyone? Instead, i would just quietly offer refund to all those who requested it.
For insufficient funds, i wouldve just said, Sorry, your refund is being processed, and should be deposited into your account in the next 2-3 days.
For the guy who wants the 11.5, I would have said, We're trying hard to fulfill your order, but due to unforseeable circumstances, there will be delays. If you cannot wait anymore, I will gladly process your refund, and it should be deposited back to your account within a couple of days. I will inform you later on, should size 11.5 become available.
These standard customer service responses wouldve worked so much better, but instead he just gave out truthful answer, and ppl are bashing him to no end? I remember back in my learning days, I was always taught to be honest. However, after being in the work force for a while, I have realized 100% honesty does not get you far in this world, some of the accusers here are the perfect example why.
Anyway, draw your own conclusion, ppl. Stop being swayed one way or another so easily.
Those of you who have been reading this thread religiously like I have, should remember an exchange between Ming(MSole's owner) and nooblee about nike sending ppl straight to the factories to see what is going on the XI line, and thus effectively making the factory almost non-functioning for a few days, or locked down as those two so eloquently put it. Welp, turns out this was true.
Most of us should know by now, shoes not yet in production are almost impossible to leak out, but once they hit production, with the quantity being made each day, shoes leak out. However, these shoes dont leak out to just anyone. Only those with close ties to the higher-ups, actually get access to these shoes. Some would like to think just any factory worker can get shoes out, and yea maybe they can, but definitely not in mass quantity. You have to know someone who is at least a manager to get these concords in large numbers.
Back to my point about the lockdown. Since production was stopped due to nike investigating possible leak in the early August, shoes were not being leaked out the first week of August. Now think back for a second. When did AR claim to have these shoes ready? You got it, it was the first week of August. How? He has his sources, but is that source one of Pou Chen's factory? Not possible, because of the lock down. So where did he get his? Honestly, dont know, not gonna specutulate either. Its none of my business, to be honet. However, lets just say, only a few official factories in China get designated to mass produce high end basketball shoes. Not even gonna go into which factory, as I am sure Nike prolly has eyes on this thread. However, I will say, not all models(1-2011) are produced in the same factory. For example, a factory that gets to produce the XIs, might not get to produce the VIs. Can someone check the recently released 2010 VIs and their SJ or CG? Check to see if the factory number is the same.....I am not even sure if they are or not, but i am told or lead to believe that they should be different.
If you had enough patience to read through all that, then you can start putting the pieces together. Why the delay at SDS? Yea, it was cause of the lock down. Pre-orders in nature are hard to control, you never know when Nike will decide to make a visit at a factory site. You can only go by what the ppl in the factory tell you.
Like someone have said already, shoes that leak out, are not retail packaged shoe. Ppl who get access to these early released shoes, most of the time, have to staff ppl to do their own inspection and retail packaging.........cause nike sure as hell isnt going to do it for them. Hence the reason why you get these early release shoes, and find the packaging to be less than satifactory. Shoe laces untied, anyone?
Like I have mentioned many time, these big factories, most of the time only do the assembly of the parts to create the shoe. The material, parts, accessories are not produced in the factory that does assembly. Most of the time, these parts/accessories are produced by related parties, or subsidiaries under the umbrella of Pou Chen or FengTay. This is precisely the reason why a lot of times these special shoe boxes differ in small details than the boxes you get on RD. Quality control is non-existence on these boxes, however, the shoes are 100% real.
Now, I am not going to stick my neck out again and say SDS is legit, blah blah blah. From now on, I will only share info about what I know. You guys can draw your own conclusion. I will say this, however, the delay in shippment might be a blessing in disguise.
Oh, and for the person complaing about not being able to get a 11.5.......................well, what can I tell, early releases shoes arent always produced in FSR, especially not half sizes. They will surface later on, just not right now.
Lastly, I just want to say, a lot of ppl here are from the US, and because of the way we're all brought up, we have come to expect things in retail to be done a certain way or held to a certain standard. All good points, and I understand that mentality completely, being that I lived in the US a long time too. However, coming back to Asia, its a learning experience. Non-existence return policy, crap customer service, business man trying to make a quick buck regardless of means. Its not all that uncommon at all. People here dont usually do business honestly all the time, and its not until after the fact, that you find out you have been deceived. When you buy from early release sites, you have to understand, you are not dealing with owners who are fully acustomed to the American culture, you are not dealing with retail businesses even, you are dealing with people who have connections to early released shoes. Most of the time, you will never hear a peep from them. If that is something you cant deal with, 2xx some bucks is too important to your bottomline, then dont buy from early release sites.
Having said all that, I am actually really surprised that SDS would even have ppl come on here to tell you guys those restocked SJs were questionable.
I am surprised he would respond to guys on here saying currently his paypal has insufficient fund right now, and wait a few days before the refund.
I am surprised he would tell the guy that he doesnt have a 11.5 right now.
There is a lot of info that quite frankly, if i were running his business, i would never ever tell you guys.
For the SJ, he wouldve been better off not saying anything, like the other sites, sneakerape, anyone? Instead, i would just quietly offer refund to all those who requested it.
For insufficient funds, i wouldve just said, Sorry, your refund is being processed, and should be deposited into your account in the next 2-3 days.
For the guy who wants the 11.5, I would have said, We're trying hard to fulfill your order, but due to unforseeable circumstances, there will be delays. If you cannot wait anymore, I will gladly process your refund, and it should be deposited back to your account within a couple of days. I will inform you later on, should size 11.5 become available.
These standard customer service responses wouldve worked so much better, but instead he just gave out truthful answer, and ppl are bashing him to no end? I remember back in my learning days, I was always taught to be honest. However, after being in the work force for a while, I have realized 100% honesty does not get you far in this world, some of the accusers here are the perfect example why.
Anyway, draw your own conclusion, ppl. Stop being swayed one way or another so easily.
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Originally Posted by pimpjobu
Originally Posted by MJ2229
and BINGO thats my size!Originally Posted by NoobLee
Good luck finding an 11.5.
Tell you what, when I file my paypal dispute later tonight with sds, you can have my 11.5's since they'll be available.
Very kind of you my brova, but im staying the "HAIL" away from early concords, especially from our proven-sound "Chinese connections"
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Tweet @ him if you need info, or better yet try emailing again.
That guy can tweet all he wants, but unless i get my shoes or start seeing ppl get shoes from Jay, his tweets are useless.
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Nice post by Eddo. Great stuff !
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I dont think he shipped at all! Maybe just to Zyzz. But you did say why there is delay in your post. Just hoping for A-grade stuff
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tweet guy said boss told him to stay off twitter. he was the only real way to contact them, dont expect to get ANY answers now. to hell with SDS.
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Originally Posted by OG2345
Same here, I've ordered from SDS before in 2009 with the Jams but damn didn't think it be this serious to the point where Jay was going to be like AR, he didn't let me down before, didn't think he do the same this year.
I'm willing to wait until Friday, if nothing by then, then I guess filing a dispute I will. I would rather wait until RD or see if I can wait until online sites get them a bit earlier. Just hoping Jay pulls through.
Yes I had. I'll just see what goes from here on...
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You see the funny thing is, the guy was tweeting 24/7, and ppl bash the guy for doing so.
Now the guy goes quiet, ppl bash him too.
I say, right now, it doesnt matter if he tweets or not. If those shoes dont show up soon, ppl will start buying plane tickets to China, and let Jay know wutsup.
Like I have said, right now, it only matters that ppl get their shoes. Tweets make you feel more comfortable? Please....you know damn well only the shoes will solve the problems at hand.
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i agree with the guy..
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Listen up for those who brought from SDS get your money back ASAP. I brought a pair of restocked spacejams and they are fakes good fakes but fakes. the smell was the first sign of them being fakes they smelled like straight glue. number two the back is off by the jumpman,the 23 and the patent leather cut. the carbon fiber is a lil suspect to looks like someone used a grinder on it.also it had a hole for the air bag there is a bag there but supposidly its not supposed to be there.also the blue stamp is there. but the toe is clear,the tags are right (unlike some people)so take is for what it is worth get your money back or you'll regret it. why pay for $270 or more for some grey market stuff. regardless if its been reproduced,remade defective or whatever the excuses is they ain't worth the price. I dont know how to post pics so someone help.
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A lot of good points. But 100% honesty? Please, Jay still to this day says his shoes are authentic which they are clearly NOT.
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Well said eddo, you did a very fine job explaining
Too bad these dudes here won't have the patience to read all of it before they start arguing or challenging your posts
To add to that, the culture is indeed very different, from the cost of living to the way the gov. runs over there, the expectations of the consumers are different.
When this early release thing first started, there was just the shoes, that's it, nothing else.
It was because of the Americans that everything else was pretty REQUIRED to be there in order to sell these shoes (read: accessories)
Does that mean all the early releases are fake? Not at all.
They are all legit, besides the superfakes.
So are all of them B-grades? Some of my pairs, in my own collection, has been A+ quality, but that is the risk you get with early releases.
There's always one JB rep staying on the line to make sure the products meet the quality requirement.
The talkof all B-grades getting thrown off the line isn't valid, a lot of the B-grades get cut in half and the 100 pairs before and after get tossed, also.
A seller overseas might get 99 pairs of A-grades and one pair of B-grades, and it's simply the luck of the draw who gets the B-grades.
It's solely up to the seller to tell you about the little glue spot on the shoe, the little nips on the paint, etc.
This whole "scene" in China is huge, there's a lot of people involved in the business, it is very lucrative, after all.
The way they do things over there, you will find controversial, but that's just how they do things over there.
Like I have previously said, 90% of all other shoes that AR and SdS are real, because the same supplier did not want to make high quality replicas of, let's say, Navy/Grey XIVs
Like MarqueeSole said himself earlier, these real Concords cost a lot to get, and to sell at this price, both will be losing money, who's willing to do that?
I mean, even AR and SdS basically said there's something wrong with their products, who's willing to say that?
This thing has been blown out of proportion.
Super fakes exist, and these Concords are the perfect example.
With that being said, you can defend/bash, it's your choice, it's your hard earned money at the end of the day, but some of these theories are just too comical.
Too bad these dudes here won't have the patience to read all of it before they start arguing or challenging your posts
To add to that, the culture is indeed very different, from the cost of living to the way the gov. runs over there, the expectations of the consumers are different.
When this early release thing first started, there was just the shoes, that's it, nothing else.
It was because of the Americans that everything else was pretty REQUIRED to be there in order to sell these shoes (read: accessories)
Does that mean all the early releases are fake? Not at all.
They are all legit, besides the superfakes.
So are all of them B-grades? Some of my pairs, in my own collection, has been A+ quality, but that is the risk you get with early releases.
There's always one JB rep staying on the line to make sure the products meet the quality requirement.
The talkof all B-grades getting thrown off the line isn't valid, a lot of the B-grades get cut in half and the 100 pairs before and after get tossed, also.
A seller overseas might get 99 pairs of A-grades and one pair of B-grades, and it's simply the luck of the draw who gets the B-grades.
It's solely up to the seller to tell you about the little glue spot on the shoe, the little nips on the paint, etc.
This whole "scene" in China is huge, there's a lot of people involved in the business, it is very lucrative, after all.
The way they do things over there, you will find controversial, but that's just how they do things over there.
Like I have previously said, 90% of all other shoes that AR and SdS are real, because the same supplier did not want to make high quality replicas of, let's say, Navy/Grey XIVs
Like MarqueeSole said himself earlier, these real Concords cost a lot to get, and to sell at this price, both will be losing money, who's willing to do that?
I mean, even AR and SdS basically said there's something wrong with their products, who's willing to say that?
This thing has been blown out of proportion.
Super fakes exist, and these Concords are the perfect example.
With that being said, you can defend/bash, it's your choice, it's your hard earned money at the end of the day, but some of these theories are just too comical.
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Your a little late man this was discussed like 100 pages back. Plus this is the Concord thread not the SJ thread.Please take it to the correct thread.
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true....its a dead argument anyways...lmao at "hear" us go bak n forth tho...ur web browser can talk???? j/k lol
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i know what thread this is and most people are not going to look 100 pages back and read all this stuff. the point is if they sell one super fake then they why wouldn't all their shoes be fakes. You honestly think they will sit there and say "well i'll only sell fake Jordans but not fake Lebrons.But its your money you can fool people until the the release day then you going to be ready to burn them cause I'll call you out.
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Thanks Nooblee. you and eddo provide the most informative post of the day
