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It's Canzler
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Ah okay. Caught Kevin's edit.

Drafted by the Cubs. That can't be good.
 
Ah okay. Caught Kevin's edit.

Drafted by the Cubs. That can't be good.
 
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[table][tr][td]Name[/td][td]G[/td][td]AB[/td][td]H[/td][td]2B[/td][td]3B[/td][td]HR[/td][td]R[/td][td]RBI[/td][td]BB[/td][td]SO[/td][td]HBP[/td][td]SB[/td][td]AVG[/td][td]OBP[/td][td]SLG[/td][td]OPS[/td][td]wOBA[/td][td]UZR[/td][td]WAR[/td][/tr][tr][td]Shin-Soo Choo[/td][td]140[/td][td]544[/td][td]160[/td][td]30[/td][td]4[/td][td]19[/td][td]89[/td][td]96[/td][td]69[/td][td]124[/td][td]10[/td][td]22[/td][td]0.294[/td][td]0.382[/td][td]0.469[/td][td]0.851[/td][td]0.373[/td][td]3[/td][td]4.8[/td][/tr][tr][td]Carlos Santana[/td][td]146[/td][td]533[/td][td]140[/td][td]34[/td][td]2[/td][td]26[/td][td]88[/td][td]107[/td][td]96[/td][td]115[/td][td]3[/td][td]5[/td][td]0.263[/td][td]0.374[/td][td]0.48[/td][td]0.854[/td][td]0.37[/td][td]-2[/td][td]5.8[/td][/tr][tr][td]Jason Kipnis[/td][td]140[/td][td]551[/td][td]151[/td][td]28[/td][td]9[/td][td]18[/td][td]77[/td][td]95[/td][td]50[/td][td]121[/td][td]9[/td][td]16[/td][td]0.274[/td][td]0.342[/td][td]0.456[/td][td]0.798[/td][td]0.352[/td][td]-6[/td][td]3.6[/td][/tr][tr][td]Travis Hafner[/td][td]110[/td][td]418[/td][td]116[/td][td]23[/td][td]0[/td][td]16[/td][td]65[/td][td]68[/td][td]47[/td][td]95[/td][td]10[/td][td]0[/td][td]0.278[/td][td]0.363[/td][td]0.447[/td][td]0.81[/td][td]0.352[/td][td]0[/td][td]1.8[/td][/tr][tr][td]Asdrubal Cabrera[/td][td]142[/td][td]590[/td][td]164[/td][td]32[/td][td]2[/td][td]17[/td][td]85[/td][td]73[/td][td]45[/td][td]103[/td][td]9[/td][td]14[/td][td]0.278[/td][td]0.336[/td][td]0.425[/td][td]0.762[/td][td]0.336[/td][td]-8[/td][td]3.1[/td][/tr][tr][td]Grady Sizemore[/td][td]106[/td][td]431[/td][td]110[/td][td]25[/td][td]2[/td][td]16[/td][td]57[/td][td]55[/td][td]40[/td][td]114[/td][td]8[/td][td]7[/td][td]0.255[/td][td]0.327[/td][td]0.434[/td][td]0.761[/td][td]0.332[/td][td]-4[/td][td]1.9[/td][/tr][tr][td]Lonnie Chisenhall[/td][td]132[/td][td]491[/td][td]130[/td][td]26[/td][td]3[/td][td]15[/td][td]65[/td][td]71[/td][td]36[/td][td]100[/td][td]9[/td][td]4[/td][td]0.265[/td][td]0.323[/td][td]0.422[/td][td]0.744[/td][td]0.326[/td][td]2[/td][td]2.7[/td][/tr][tr][td]Michael Brantley[/td][td]135[/td][td]531[/td][td]145[/td][td]27[/td][td]5[/td][td]7[/td][td]62[/td][td]68[/td][td]41[/td][td]80[/td][td]3[/td][td]21[/td][td]0.273[/td][td]0.326[/td][td]0.382[/td][td]0.708[/td][td]0.317[/td][td]-2[/td][td]1.6[/td][/tr][tr][td]Matt LaPorta[/td][td]105[/td][td]391[/td][td]98[/td][td]22[/td][td]1[/td][td]13[/td][td]46[/td][td]51[/td][td]31[/td][td]84[/td][td]3[/td][td]3[/td][td]0.251[/td][td]0.308[/td][td]0.412[/td][td]0.72[/td][td]0.314[/td][td]-4[/td][td]0.3[/td][/tr][tr][td]Jack Hannahan[/td][td]105[/td][td]357[/td][td]88[/td][td]17[/td][td]1[/td][td]8[/td][td]47[/td][td]44[/td][td]41[/td][td]85[/td][td]3[/td][td]4[/td][td]0.247[/td][td]0.327[/td][td]0.367[/td][td]0.694[/td][td]0.311[/td][td]8[/td][td]2.3[/td][/tr][tr][td]Lou Marson[/td][td]82[/td][td]278[/td][td]65[/td][td]13[/td][td]1[/td][td]3[/td][td]31[/td][td]28[/td][td]30[/td][td]66[/td][td]2[/td][td]3[/td][td]0.234[/td][td]0.312[/td][td]0.32[/td][td]0.632[/td][td]0.289[/td][td]4[/td][td]1.5[/td][/tr][/table]
 
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 you want another projection?

[table][tr][td]Name[/td][td]G[/td][td]AB[/td][td]H[/td][td]2B[/td][td]3B[/td][td]HR[/td][td]R[/td][td]RBI[/td][td]BB[/td][td]SO[/td][td]HBP[/td][td]SB[/td][td]AVG[/td][td]OBP[/td][td]SLG[/td][td]OPS[/td][td]wOBA[/td][td]UZR[/td][td]WAR[/td][/tr][tr][td]Shin-Soo Choo[/td][td]140[/td][td]544[/td][td]160[/td][td]30[/td][td]4[/td][td]19[/td][td]89[/td][td]96[/td][td]69[/td][td]124[/td][td]10[/td][td]22[/td][td]0.294[/td][td]0.382[/td][td]0.469[/td][td]0.851[/td][td]0.373[/td][td]3[/td][td]4.8[/td][/tr][tr][td]Carlos Santana[/td][td]146[/td][td]533[/td][td]140[/td][td]34[/td][td]2[/td][td]26[/td][td]88[/td][td]107[/td][td]96[/td][td]115[/td][td]3[/td][td]5[/td][td]0.263[/td][td]0.374[/td][td]0.48[/td][td]0.854[/td][td]0.37[/td][td]-2[/td][td]5.8[/td][/tr][tr][td]Jason Kipnis[/td][td]140[/td][td]551[/td][td]151[/td][td]28[/td][td]9[/td][td]18[/td][td]77[/td][td]95[/td][td]50[/td][td]121[/td][td]9[/td][td]16[/td][td]0.274[/td][td]0.342[/td][td]0.456[/td][td]0.798[/td][td]0.352[/td][td]-6[/td][td]3.6[/td][/tr][tr][td]Travis Hafner[/td][td]110[/td][td]418[/td][td]116[/td][td]23[/td][td]0[/td][td]16[/td][td]65[/td][td]68[/td][td]47[/td][td]95[/td][td]10[/td][td]0[/td][td]0.278[/td][td]0.363[/td][td]0.447[/td][td]0.81[/td][td]0.352[/td][td]0[/td][td]1.8[/td][/tr][tr][td]Asdrubal Cabrera[/td][td]142[/td][td]590[/td][td]164[/td][td]32[/td][td]2[/td][td]17[/td][td]85[/td][td]73[/td][td]45[/td][td]103[/td][td]9[/td][td]14[/td][td]0.278[/td][td]0.336[/td][td]0.425[/td][td]0.762[/td][td]0.336[/td][td]-8[/td][td]3.1[/td][/tr][tr][td]Grady Sizemore[/td][td]106[/td][td]431[/td][td]110[/td][td]25[/td][td]2[/td][td]16[/td][td]57[/td][td]55[/td][td]40[/td][td]114[/td][td]8[/td][td]7[/td][td]0.255[/td][td]0.327[/td][td]0.434[/td][td]0.761[/td][td]0.332[/td][td]-4[/td][td]1.9[/td][/tr][tr][td]Lonnie Chisenhall[/td][td]132[/td][td]491[/td][td]130[/td][td]26[/td][td]3[/td][td]15[/td][td]65[/td][td]71[/td][td]36[/td][td]100[/td][td]9[/td][td]4[/td][td]0.265[/td][td]0.323[/td][td]0.422[/td][td]0.744[/td][td]0.326[/td][td]2[/td][td]2.7[/td][/tr][tr][td]Michael Brantley[/td][td]135[/td][td]531[/td][td]145[/td][td]27[/td][td]5[/td][td]7[/td][td]62[/td][td]68[/td][td]41[/td][td]80[/td][td]3[/td][td]21[/td][td]0.273[/td][td]0.326[/td][td]0.382[/td][td]0.708[/td][td]0.317[/td][td]-2[/td][td]1.6[/td][/tr][tr][td]Matt LaPorta[/td][td]105[/td][td]391[/td][td]98[/td][td]22[/td][td]1[/td][td]13[/td][td]46[/td][td]51[/td][td]31[/td][td]84[/td][td]3[/td][td]3[/td][td]0.251[/td][td]0.308[/td][td]0.412[/td][td]0.72[/td][td]0.314[/td][td]-4[/td][td]0.3[/td][/tr][tr][td]Jack Hannahan[/td][td]105[/td][td]357[/td][td]88[/td][td]17[/td][td]1[/td][td]8[/td][td]47[/td][td]44[/td][td]41[/td][td]85[/td][td]3[/td][td]4[/td][td]0.247[/td][td]0.327[/td][td]0.367[/td][td]0.694[/td][td]0.311[/td][td]8[/td][td]2.3[/td][/tr][tr][td]Lou Marson[/td][td]82[/td][td]278[/td][td]65[/td][td]13[/td][td]1[/td][td]3[/td][td]31[/td][td]28[/td][td]30[/td][td]66[/td][td]2[/td][td]3[/td][td]0.234[/td][td]0.312[/td][td]0.32[/td][td]0.632[/td][td]0.289[/td][td]4[/td][td]1.5[/td][/tr][/table]
 
And those are the projections of paying Fangraphs members. Pretty impressive IMO.

BTW, pitchers:

[table][tr][td]Name[/td][td]W[/td][td]L[/td][td]ERA[/td][td]GS[/td][td]G[/td][td]SV[/td][td]IP[/td][td]H[/td][td]ER[/td][td]HR[/td][td]SO[/td][td]BB[/td][td]WHIP[/td][td]K/9[/td][td]BB/9[/td][td]FIP[/td][td]WAR[/td][/tr][tr][td]Vinnie Pestano[/td][td]3[/td][td]2[/td][td]2.81[/td][td]0[/td][td]65[/td][td]1[/td][td]65[/td][td]49[/td][td]20[/td][td]6[/td][td]84[/td][td]25[/td][td]1.14[/td][td]11.63[/td][td]3.46[/td][td]2.96[/td][td]1.3[/td][/tr][tr][td]Justin Masterson[/td][td]12[/td][td]10[/td][td]3.68[/td][td]33[/td][td]33[/td][td]0[/td][td]208[/td][td]203[/td][td]85[/td][td]15[/td][td]167[/td][td]67[/td][td]1.3[/td][td]7.23[/td][td]2.9[/td][td]3.5[/td][td]4.1[/td][/tr][tr][td]Ubaldo Jimenez[/td][td]13[/td][td]10[/td][td]3.78[/td][td]33[/td][td]33[/td][td]0[/td][td]206[/td][td]183[/td][td]86[/td][td]18[/td][td]195[/td][td]83[/td][td]1.29[/td][td]8.52[/td][td]3.63[/td][td]3.67[/td][td]3.6[/td][/tr][tr][td]Derek Lowe[/td][td]10[/td][td]12[/td][td]4.46[/td][td]33[/td][td]33[/td][td]0[/td][td]187[/td][td]198[/td][td]93[/td][td]16[/td][td]127[/td][td]62[/td][td]1.39[/td][td]6.11[/td][td]2.98[/td][td]3.94[/td][td]2.6[/td][/tr][tr][td]Chris Perez[/td][td]3[/td][td]4[/td][td]3.58[/td][td]0[/td][td]60[/td][td]36[/td][td]62[/td][td]60[/td][td]25[/td][td]6[/td][td]49[/td][td]25[/td][td]1.37[/td][td]7.11[/td][td]3.63[/td][td]4.08[/td][td]0.2[/td][/tr][tr][td]Kevin Slowey[/td][td]9[/td][td]9[/td][td]4.5[/td][td]25[/td][td]25[/td][td]0[/td][td]140[/td][td]157[/td][td]70[/td][td]23[/td][td]101[/td][td]20[/td][td]1.26[/td][td]6.49[/td][td]1.29[/td][td]4.26[/td][td]1.5[/td][/tr][tr][td]Josh Tomlin[/td][td]10[/td][td]8[/td][td]4.31[/td][td]29[/td][td]29[/td][td]0[/td][td]181[/td][td]183[/td][td]87[/td][td]24[/td][td]106[/td][td]34[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]5.27[/td][td]1.69[/td][td]4.27[/td][td]1.9[/td][/tr][/table]
 
And those are the projections of paying Fangraphs members. Pretty impressive IMO.

BTW, pitchers:

[table][tr][td]Name[/td][td]W[/td][td]L[/td][td]ERA[/td][td]GS[/td][td]G[/td][td]SV[/td][td]IP[/td][td]H[/td][td]ER[/td][td]HR[/td][td]SO[/td][td]BB[/td][td]WHIP[/td][td]K/9[/td][td]BB/9[/td][td]FIP[/td][td]WAR[/td][/tr][tr][td]Vinnie Pestano[/td][td]3[/td][td]2[/td][td]2.81[/td][td]0[/td][td]65[/td][td]1[/td][td]65[/td][td]49[/td][td]20[/td][td]6[/td][td]84[/td][td]25[/td][td]1.14[/td][td]11.63[/td][td]3.46[/td][td]2.96[/td][td]1.3[/td][/tr][tr][td]Justin Masterson[/td][td]12[/td][td]10[/td][td]3.68[/td][td]33[/td][td]33[/td][td]0[/td][td]208[/td][td]203[/td][td]85[/td][td]15[/td][td]167[/td][td]67[/td][td]1.3[/td][td]7.23[/td][td]2.9[/td][td]3.5[/td][td]4.1[/td][/tr][tr][td]Ubaldo Jimenez[/td][td]13[/td][td]10[/td][td]3.78[/td][td]33[/td][td]33[/td][td]0[/td][td]206[/td][td]183[/td][td]86[/td][td]18[/td][td]195[/td][td]83[/td][td]1.29[/td][td]8.52[/td][td]3.63[/td][td]3.67[/td][td]3.6[/td][/tr][tr][td]Derek Lowe[/td][td]10[/td][td]12[/td][td]4.46[/td][td]33[/td][td]33[/td][td]0[/td][td]187[/td][td]198[/td][td]93[/td][td]16[/td][td]127[/td][td]62[/td][td]1.39[/td][td]6.11[/td][td]2.98[/td][td]3.94[/td][td]2.6[/td][/tr][tr][td]Chris Perez[/td][td]3[/td][td]4[/td][td]3.58[/td][td]0[/td][td]60[/td][td]36[/td][td]62[/td][td]60[/td][td]25[/td][td]6[/td][td]49[/td][td]25[/td][td]1.37[/td][td]7.11[/td][td]3.63[/td][td]4.08[/td][td]0.2[/td][/tr][tr][td]Kevin Slowey[/td][td]9[/td][td]9[/td][td]4.5[/td][td]25[/td][td]25[/td][td]0[/td][td]140[/td][td]157[/td][td]70[/td][td]23[/td][td]101[/td][td]20[/td][td]1.26[/td][td]6.49[/td][td]1.29[/td][td]4.26[/td][td]1.5[/td][/tr][tr][td]Josh Tomlin[/td][td]10[/td][td]8[/td][td]4.31[/td][td]29[/td][td]29[/td][td]0[/td][td]181[/td][td]183[/td][td]87[/td][td]24[/td][td]106[/td][td]34[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]5.27[/td][td]1.69[/td][td]4.27[/td][td]1.9[/td][/tr][/table]
 
Hopefully everything can stay healthy; and I'd say we compete for having the best rotation in the American League.

And I don't give a damn what any media says, we need "Fausto" back...
 
Hopefully everything can stay healthy; and I'd say we compete for having the best rotation in the American League.

And I don't give a damn what any media says, we need "Fausto" back...
 
If Ubaldo Jimenez has a big bounce-back kind of season, remember this name: Nelson Perez. He's one of the Indians' strength coaches. And while you may have heard that he's been working with Jimenez in the Dominican this winter, what you probably haven't heard is the behind-the-scenes story of how that came about.

The Indians aren't one of those teams that sits back and hopes its players stay in shape over the winter. They try to be as proactive as possible. But Perez took proactivity to a whole new level, by actually volunteering to move his family from Puerto Rico to the Dominican Republic to work with Jimenez and several other players. Now, all reports are that Jimenez is in fabulous shape after an offseason of working on his core and lower half.

His season disintegrated last year, when he showed up for spring training with a hip injury then lost his delivery and never got it back. The Indians were determined not to repeat that saga this year. But Perez went above and beyond most folks' definition of the call of duty to make that happen.
 
If Ubaldo Jimenez has a big bounce-back kind of season, remember this name: Nelson Perez. He's one of the Indians' strength coaches. And while you may have heard that he's been working with Jimenez in the Dominican this winter, what you probably haven't heard is the behind-the-scenes story of how that came about.

The Indians aren't one of those teams that sits back and hopes its players stay in shape over the winter. They try to be as proactive as possible. But Perez took proactivity to a whole new level, by actually volunteering to move his family from Puerto Rico to the Dominican Republic to work with Jimenez and several other players. Now, all reports are that Jimenez is in fabulous shape after an offseason of working on his core and lower half.

His season disintegrated last year, when he showed up for spring training with a hip injury then lost his delivery and never got it back. The Indians were determined not to repeat that saga this year. But Perez went above and beyond most folks' definition of the call of duty to make that happen.
 
I have little hope for Fausto. At 31, his career is on the downswing. He's only ever had one really good season (five years ago), compared to four slightly above-average to bad ones. Plus, as mentally-unstable as he is on the mound, he may never even recover to the mediocre version of himself after this.

For 2012, I see Slowey being a notch above Fausto, and Fausto being a smaller notch above Huff, McAllister and Gomez (in that order).
 
I have little hope for Fausto. At 31, his career is on the downswing. He's only ever had one really good season (five years ago), compared to four slightly above-average to bad ones. Plus, as mentally-unstable as he is on the mound, he may never even recover to the mediocre version of himself after this.

For 2012, I see Slowey being a notch above Fausto, and Fausto being a smaller notch above Huff, McAllister and Gomez (in that order).
 
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