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You're looking at it wrong, I'm talking potential in the sense of TEAM not individual. The individual part of his game we saw from the beginning in Syracuse. What has changed since then, pretty much nothing. That's the known part. I hate to make the comparison, but look at LeBron, he plays with the mindset of giving your teammates the ball and putting them in position to make an easy basket. Has Lebron not done that fairly consistently over the years? He made Mo Williams an all star, and he had the same numbers the year he didn't make the all star team vs. the year he did. When Carmelo gets rid of the ball, he doesn't put the ball where his teammate can get an easy shot, whether it be in the spot they like or hitting them in transition for an easy layup or whatever. Now you can give me the Melo is a 4 argument. Ok, fine, but that 4 has the ball in his hand and dribbles too much. He passess when he needs a bailout more often than not (which creates the Carmelo is a black hole argumen). He passess, but his passess aren't timely or effective. He can have 6 assists, but WHEN did he pass the ball (1st quarter when the game's pace is being established, 2-3 quarter before the other team goes on a run?) That's what gets masked when you just look at his stats.
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Wanted to say this but thought I would get killed in here for it.
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Numerous players have said the Melo is probably one the strongest players in the league. A lot of lower body strength.
Dolan will never get rid of Melo.
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A couple of thoughts:
Chandler: I don't know what has gotten into this guy. Talks the big talk in the locker room and to the media, calling guys out and challenging the team. Then he goes on the court, gets beasted on by Hibbert, doesn't play defense, doesn't box out and doesn't board. He doesn't look like a leader, an enforcer, whatever Tyson Chandler was supposed to be. The only thing that Chandler has done this series is pick up technical fouls for blatantly shoving Pacers players after the whistle.
Woodson: Is not an offensive mastermind and never purported to be. Coming into and during the season, Woodson was good at two things, and only two things: (1) he keeps his guys accountable on defense and (2) keeps his players in check on the court and in the locker room. He's done neither this series. Knicks look lost on defense, players are not getting back in transition and rotations are slow. And I have no idea why he's doubling on every post-possession. The Knicks roster is 50% corpses--none of these guys are fast enough to make the defensive rotations after a double team. Secondly, I don't know why Woodson is letting his guys talk to the media about teamwork, and J.R. blaming himself, and Melo talking about how he wants J.R. to keep shooting, how he's contemplating playing the Pope in Game 5, etc., etc., etc. Woodson needs to get his camp back in order and get his team to shut the hell up.
Earl: Whatever, he's a shooter, if he's missing, that's too bad, nothing can be done about that.
Kidd: Also a shame, but he's going to play if Woody puts him in the game.
Chandler: I don't know what has gotten into this guy. Talks the big talk in the locker room and to the media, calling guys out and challenging the team. Then he goes on the court, gets beasted on by Hibbert, doesn't play defense, doesn't box out and doesn't board. He doesn't look like a leader, an enforcer, whatever Tyson Chandler was supposed to be. The only thing that Chandler has done this series is pick up technical fouls for blatantly shoving Pacers players after the whistle.
Woodson: Is not an offensive mastermind and never purported to be. Coming into and during the season, Woodson was good at two things, and only two things: (1) he keeps his guys accountable on defense and (2) keeps his players in check on the court and in the locker room. He's done neither this series. Knicks look lost on defense, players are not getting back in transition and rotations are slow. And I have no idea why he's doubling on every post-possession. The Knicks roster is 50% corpses--none of these guys are fast enough to make the defensive rotations after a double team. Secondly, I don't know why Woodson is letting his guys talk to the media about teamwork, and J.R. blaming himself, and Melo talking about how he wants J.R. to keep shooting, how he's contemplating playing the Pope in Game 5, etc., etc., etc. Woodson needs to get his camp back in order and get his team to shut the hell up.
Earl: Whatever, he's a shooter, if he's missing, that's too bad, nothing can be done about that.
Kidd: Also a shame, but he's going to play if Woody puts him in the game.
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So it shouldn't even be an option, shouldn't even be brought up for discussion?
It's not like Melo is Durant, 24 years old with plenty of years left to get better. Melo is smack down in the middle of his prime right now. It doesn't get any better than this. We'll never have a better Melo.
If we can't get better as a team, and we can't bring in better talent to help Melo. The Knicks are wasting there time, and Carmelo is wasting his prime. It'd be disrespectful to Melo and our organization.
I'm not trying to keep Melo and be an average team for the next 2-3 years who bounces out in the 1st round, then try to trade him or he leaves when he's 32 years old and we get nothing in return.
Then were back to sucking for 10 years. Nah man, I'm not down for that. Everything and everyone NEEDS to be evaluated and considered. The Knicks made stupid decisions in the early 2000's that affected us for years. We need to hope James Dolan has finall realized that.
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One thing to keep in mind about Chandler, besides the extended break created by the 2011 lockout, his body hasn't had much of a break.
2010 World Championships
2010-11 Regular season + playoffs with Mavs
2011 Summer/Fall Lockout
2011-12 Condensed regular season + playoffs with Knicks
2012 Summer Olympics
2012-13 Regular season + playoffs with Knicks
No wonder he's been running on fumes this past season.
2010 World Championships
2010-11 Regular season + playoffs with Mavs
2011 Summer/Fall Lockout
2011-12 Condensed regular season + playoffs with Knicks
2012 Summer Olympics
2012-13 Regular season + playoffs with Knicks
No wonder he's been running on fumes this past season.
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People can say what they want to about Melo but he needs Felton or JR to step up. And Cope and Novak to get time and stay on the floor if they're hitting shots. The Pacers aren't a great offensive team, you just can't throw desperate gamble double teams at guys who don't have a scorers mentality and want to move the ball, especially in non-pressure situations. They get wide open 3s off it, and we know from watching the Knicks all season the effect that hitting 3s has on a game for both teams.
And maybe the ball has been sticking with Melo because everyone else has been sucking and if just one other creator (Felton/JR) can step up that flow and confidence will be there again for the whole team.
And maybe the ball has been sticking with Melo because everyone else has been sucking and if just one other creator (Felton/JR) can step up that flow and confidence will be there again for the whole team.
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Some dude really just called up the radio and had a mental breakdown, he was in tears and yelling a Stephen A Smith to use his power to force the NBA to bring it to 7 games. Hahaha.
That dudes the man, someone needs to find audio.
That dudes the man, someone needs to find audio.
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Btw if JR plays like 6MOTY JR this series, 95% of the posts here would have a diff tone. Not blaming him because its who he is, the enigma. But just saying....
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JKidd still has 2 years left on his contract 
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Wouldnt be surprised if he keeps playing and never scores an NBA basket again
:xWouldnt be surprised if he keeps playing and never scores an NBA basket again
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2 and half years of winning basketball made people forget about the previous 10 yrs. Now every knick fan knows how to build a winning team.
Lets not forget we actually have a draft pick this year.I'm not giving up hope until one team has 4. The close out game is always the hardest to win.
Lets not forget we actually have a draft pick this year.I'm not giving up hope until one team has 4. The close out game is always the hardest to win.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Kidd starts the beginning of next season, but if he continues to play like this I'd be surprised if a hall of famer and nba champion sticks around just to collect checks.
Although he did get divorced
Although he did get divorced
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Meh I just think that most of us expected the Knicks to beat the pacers and then lose in the next round to the heat.
It's just moreso that the expectations, which were pretty realistic aren't being met. And not only are the Knicks losing to a team most fans expected to beat, they're getting dominated and could be bounced in 5, with all but the one game that we won being one sided in their favor.
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And I haven't given up either. It's obvious the odds are against us, but when you break it down...
We just have to win 2 homes games and 1 road game. (I know, not in that order)
It's not impossible
We just have to win 2 homes games and 1 road game. (I know, not in that order)
It's not impossible
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People need to stop juxtaposing LBJ with any other player in the NBA. NO ONE else is like him for a reason.
The sooner everyone realizes Melo isn't on the "superstar" (for lack of a better term) tier level...the better off we'll all be.
Worst thing to happen to him was sharing the same draft class with Miami's Big 3. Aside from the obvious financial benefit, Melo structuring his post-rookie deal differently than those guys didn't do him any favors either.
He's not the sole reason we're losing this series though and it wouldn't be fair if he got the majority of the blame.
The sooner everyone realizes Melo isn't on the "superstar" (for lack of a better term) tier level...the better off we'll all be.
Worst thing to happen to him was sharing the same draft class with Miami's Big 3. Aside from the obvious financial benefit, Melo structuring his post-rookie deal differently than those guys didn't do him any favors either.
He's not the sole reason we're losing this series though and it wouldn't be fair if he got the majority of the blame.
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Worst thing to happen to him was Denver drafting him instead of Detroit. That drastically changed his career for the worst.
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Listening to that meltdown.
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Listening to that meltdown.
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done.JKidd still has 2 years left on his contract
Wouldnt be surprised if he keeps playing and never scores an NBA basket again
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Nothing good would have came out of a young Melo and Larry Brown partnership on an established veteran team. Guess who Larry's top assistant was?
He'd take George Karl 100 out of 100 times before dealing with that other ****.
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I think coming into the league on a contender that praises defense and teamwork and isn't blowing smoke up your *** or depending on you to be their savior means something...and having Chauncey, Tayshaun and Rip in your ear, trumps Larry Brown I think.
GK just said, go out there and win for us, son. And he would've been a rookie. I mean, now yeah...he's used to ice cream all the time and you can't tell him nothin. But you start him off on a balanced meal and get him in check...he ain't just fatboy anymore.
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JKidd still has 2 years left on his contract
Wouldnt be surprised if he keeps playing and never scores an NBA basket again
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