this wasn't just a complete game shutout or something...it was a PERFECT GAME. not just some stat...it's history.Originally Posted by DARTH DNZY
--at people being more mad about Galarraga missing a perfect game than being happy about a Detroit win. Shows how much stats are "important" in baseball I guess.
NEW YORK -- Major League Baseball was still deciding Thursday morning whether to review the umpire's blown call that cost Detroit Tigers pitcher Armando Galarraga a perfect game.
[h4]Mike & Mike in the Morning[/h4]
Major League umpire Tim McClelland says he is in favor of instant replay in baseball. This call will follow Jim Joyce forever and that's not fair. Plus, McClelland thinks many other umpires are coming around to more replay in baseball.
Commissioner Bud Selig has the power to reverse umpire Jim Joyce's missed call that came with two outs in the ninth inning Wednesday night in Detroit. Joyce ruled Cleveland's Jason Donald safe, then admitted he got it wrong.
Selig would likely consult with his top advisers before making such a ruling. St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa says the call should be overturned.
Joyce was scheduled to be back at work Thursday afternoon, umpiring at home plate in the game between the Tigers and Indians.
[h4]Historic Bad Calls[/h4]
• Armando Galarraga of the Tigers lost his bid for a perfect game with two outs in the ninth inning on a call that first base umpire Jim Joyce later admitted he blew. First baseman Miguel Cabrera cleanly fielded Jason Donald's grounder to his right and made an accurate throw to Galarraga covering the bag. The ball was there in time but Joyce signaled the runner safe.
• Don Denkinger was the umpire at first base in Game 6 of the 1985 World Series. With the Cardinals leading the Royals three games to two, the Cardinals had taken a 1-0 lead into the eighth inning. Todd Worrell came in for the Cardinals in the ninth to face Jorge Orta, who hit a slow roller to first baseman Jack Clark. He tossed it to Worrell covering first base. Denkinger called Orta safe, though television replays showed he was out by half a step. The Royals went on to win Game 6 and the World Series.
• In Milt Pappas's no-hitter on Sept. 2, 1972, Pappas had a perfect game with two outs and a 3-2 count on the 27th batter, pinch-hitter Larry Stahl. Pappas's next pitch was very close but called a ball by home plate ump Bruce Froemming. Pappas got the next man out, settling for a no-hitter.
-- ESPN Stats & Information
In 1991, a panel headed by then-commissioner Fay Vincent took a look at the record book and decided to throw out 50 no-hitters for various reasons.
The instantly infamous play, which had social networking sites all abuzz, will add to the argument that baseball needs to expand its use of replays. As of now, they can only be used for questionable home runs.
Galarraga bitterly sipped a beer minutes after the blown call negated his place in baseball history. An apology and hug changed his attitude after Joyce, in tears, asked for a chance to apologize after the Tigers beat the Indians 3-0.
It's rare for an umpire to acknowledge a mistake in one of the few sports that relies heavily on the human eye, but Joyce did to reporters and later to Galarraga.
"It was the biggest call of my career, and I kicked the [stuff] out of it," Joyce said, looking and sounding distraught as he paced in the umpires' locker room. "I just cost that kid a perfect game."
Leyland was livid during the game when he charged out of the dugout to argue the call and got in another heated discussion with Joyce after the final out.
Later, though, Leyland tried to give Joyce a break.
"The players are human, the umpires are human, the managers are human," Leyland said.
Galarraga tried to calm his nerves with a beer after the game after almost getting to celebrate the first perfect game in franchise history.
"You don't see an umpire after the game come out and say, 'Hey, let me tell you I'm sorry," Galarraga said. "He felt really bad. He didn't even shower."
Galarraga, who was barely known outside of Detroit a day ago, and Joyce, whose career had flourished in relative anonymity, quickly became trending topics on Twitter. At least one anti-Joyce Facebook page was created shortly after the game ended and firejimjoyce.com was launched.
"I worked with Don Denkinger, and I know what he went through, but I've never had a moment like this," Joyce said.
Denkinger didn't have to deal with the wrath of fans on Twitter or Facebook. Denkinger helped tilt the 1985 World Series by blowing a call as a first base umpire, and that followed him throughout his career.
Joyce has been calling balls and strikes and deciding if runners are out or safe as a full-time major league umpire since 1989. He has been respected enough to be on the field for two World Series, 11 other playoff series and a pair of All-Star games.
A split-second decision he made will probably haunt him for the rest of his career.
Joyce emphatically signaled safe when Donald clearly didn't beat a throw to first base for what would've been the last out, setting off a chorus of groans and boos that echoed in Comerica Park.
Chuck Klonke, the official scorer Wednesday night with nearly three decades of experience, said he would not change the disputed play to an error from a hit to give Galarraga a no-hitter.
"I looked at the replay right after it happened, and Miguel Cabrera made a good throw and Galarraga didn't miss the bag so you couldn't do anything but call it a hit," Klonke said Thursday morning. "I watched the replay from the center-field camera, which some people thought showed Galarraga might've bobbled the ball, and I didn't see it that way at all. I have 24 hours to change a call, but I wouldn't consider it.
"End of story."
Not quite.
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ESPN.com's Jayson Stark thinks it's time once again to say those four words Bud Selig doesn't want to hear: We need more replay. Story
ESPNNewYork.com's Ian O'Connor says Bud Selig has a chance to right a wrong and award Armando Galarraga a perfect game. Story
The story has transcended sports, becoming a topic on NBC's "Today" show Thursday morning and among parents dropping off their kids at the bus stop.
Galarraga was vying for the third perfect game in the majors this year, including Roy Halladay's gem last Saturday night. He seemed to do his job for the 27th out along with first baseman Cabrera on a play teams work on often in spring training.
Donald hit a grounder in the hole between first and second, Cabrera fielded it and threw to first, where Galarraga caught the ball at least a step ahead of Donald, replays showed.
"I feel sad," Galarraga said.
Cabrera said he didn't want to talk about it and Donald answered questions from reporters after a long soak in the tub.
"I didn't know if I beat the throw or not," Donald said. "But given the circumstances, I thought for sure I'd be called out."
The Tigers huddled around one of the two big-screen televisions in their clubhouse, standing stoically and silently as the play was shown over and over.
"I know I played in a perfect game," Detroit shortstop Ramon Santiago said. "In my mind, on June 2, Armando Galarraga threw a no-hitter. I'm going to get a ball signed by him."
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
Originally Posted by DARTH DNZY
--at people being more mad about Galarraga missing a perfect game than being happy about a Detroit win. Shows how much stats are "important" in baseball I guess.
You have no idea what you're talking about.Originally Posted by DARTH DNZY
--at people being more mad about Galarraga missing a perfect game than being happy about a Detroit win. Shows how much stats are "important" in baseball I guess.
And end of games scenarios.
Originally Posted by CincoSeisDos
NO, we don't. As %*@+ ED up as this call is, at the end of the season it all evens out. Just that the circumstances were higher in this situation.
@+@# happens. Leave the IR for HR's.
Just saying.
Originally Posted by bijald0331
I can't remember having such a high of highs (Jackson catch) to such a damn low (the blown call) in such a short period of time in a baseball game!! !*+@ was unreal!! Thank you NT for making this thread
truth...nobody wants to be on the opposing team when a perfect game was thrown. they're playing in the major league dude...for money...nobody is going to hand anybody anything. i really can't believe how stupid that comment drop knee made was
it wasn't even a bang bang play either
What the @@!@ are you talking aboutOriginally Posted by DARTH DNZY
--Wow. This thing has been on TV all morning. But calls get missed I guess.
--at people being more mad about Galarraga missing a perfect game than being happy about a Detroit win. Shows how much stats are "important" in baseball I guess.
IMO it's so simple!!!
wait...was kev being serious or joking? can never tellOriginally Posted by Proshares
He got a Corvette out of it
So EVERY single call will be reviewed and if its wrong the ruling on the field changes?
Kiddin Like Jason wrote:
Coming out onto the field for today's game, Joyce actually got a pretty good ovation, amidst some boos, of course.
Galarraga delivered the Tigers' lineup card to Joyce, who is behind the plate today. He also got a Corvette presented to him.
Just saw this on ESPN....Joyce was tearing up...damn gotta feel bad for him
