Asian Culture Discussion Thread

[wballz]

Filipina elder attacked today on the San Diego Trolley . Keep thinking this could be my mom or the 84 year old man killed in South SF couldve been my dad. Look out for your parents and grandparents yall... and look out for each other.

Attack on elderly Filipino woman on San Diego trolley

An elderly Filipino woman was the victim of an unprovoked attack on a San Diego trolley, multiple sources told ABC 10News.

www.10news.com

Wtf..... what kind of sick human beings attack senior citizens ?

And these senior citizens from asia, when they moved here, they moved here to provide a better life for their kids. Most likely had to escape 3rd world country rural conditions (China, Philippines, any country except Japan at that time).

And then, when they get here, they get treated with racism or prejudice for being economically challenged. These guys went through a lot just so their kids and grand kids can have a better life. For them to be attacked and killed like that. I got no words how to describe the suspect(s). Even an "eye for an eye" type of justice does not feel like it will suffice.

 

[anderson]

that **** been happening since the beginning of the pandemic and mainstream media don't talk about it enough because well..its asians.

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

I need some Asian homies to kick it with

 

[wuchi01]

Bizarro World

 

[wuchi01]

Robin a B *




Dbags

 

[anderson]

i haven't been in this thread in a good min and i'm sure it's been talked about in here.

but every asian girl with a white man these days huh??? i'm out here in playa vista and i don't even see asian couples anymore

 

[wuchi01]

Filipina elder attacked today on the San Diego Trolley . Keep thinking this could be my mom or the 84 year old man killed in South SF couldve been my dad. Look out for your parents and grandparents yall... and look out for each other.

Attack on elderly Filipino woman on San Diego trolley

An elderly Filipino woman was the victim of an unprovoked attack on a San Diego trolley, multiple sources told ABC 10News.

www.10news.com

 

[anderson]

i haven't been in this thread in a good min and i'm sure it's been talked about in here.

but every asian girl with a white man these days huh??? i'm out here in playa vista and i don't even see asian couples anymore

i'm talmbout huge discrepancies. fine *** asian woman with some old *** wrinkly mother ****er like there's a 15 year age difference or its some ******* dork.

 

[Kinfolk]

Methodical Management

While this post isn’t a direct violation of NT’s terms of service, a brief look at computersputin posts in this thread will reveal a disturbing pattern of intentional race baiting and dog whistling towards African Americans.

This post however is intentionally hostile and constitutes trolling in that he posts a mug shot of a black man with absolutely no context. The result being posters are confused as to what it’s meaning is while computersputin is amused.

This kind of behavior can’t go unchecked and needs to stop.

If I just report his other posts, most mods here refuse to view them in the wider context of his tone here on NT which is insanely hostile and honestly- blatantly racist.

Please also note that computersputin goes out of his way to disparage black people on a consistent basis with the justification being a recent uptick in attacks against elderly asians (not all of which are perpetrated by African Americans, although Computersputin would love for everyone to believe that that is indeed the case).

Please take action, thank you.

(The emoji he chose to interact with and react to this post speaks to what I’m saying).

 

[Methodical Management]

Methodical Management

While this post isn’t a direct violation of NT’s terms of service, a brief look at computersputin posts in this thread will reveal a disturbing pattern of intentional race baiting and dog whistling towards African Americans.

This post however is intentionally hostile and constitutes trolling in that he posts a mug shot of a black man with absolutely no context. The result being posters are confused as to what it’s meaning is while computersputin is amused.

This kind of behavior can’t go unchecked and needs to stop.

If I just report his other posts, most mods here refuse to view them in the wider context of his tone here on NT which is insanely hostile and honestly- blatantly racist.

Please also note that computersputin goes out of his way to disparage black people on a consistent basis with the justification being a recent uptick in attacks against elderly asians (not all of which are perpetrated by African Americans, although Computersputin would love for everyone to believe that that is indeed the case).

Please take action, thank you.

(The emoji he chose to interact with and react to this post speaks to what I’m saying).

Why, exactly, did you post a Black man’s mugshot with absolutely zero context, computersputin ? What was the message here? Why, exactly, does that picture tell the entire story for you?

How would you feel if someone replied to the George Floyd thread and posted only this, with no context?

Would that be an innocent, neutral, and appropriate thing to contribute?

There are serious, life and death matters at issue here, like the surge in anti-Asian hate crimes and discrimination. How would you feel if your attempts to discuss these issues was met with smug, childish trolling and dismissive comments like “Why is hate crime bad? Don’t you hate crime? Lololol” or “how do you know that old man didn’t do anything to deserve it? Why do you assume everything is about race? I’m sick and tired of you making everything into a racial issue. Stop playing the victim! NikeTalk is supposed to be about shoes and positive vibes and you’re ruining it for me!” Before he was banned, nawghtyhare attempted something along these lines in a thread you created about an apparent hate crime in San Francisco. You didn’t much appreciate that, did you?

Now take a moment to reflect back on when you, hipstermike , and tupac jordan thought it would be hilarious to troll the “thread about race” at the height of this summer’s Black Lives Matter protests to spam a bunch of facetious replies about racing.

Those of you squabbling right now need to think about how it feels to put up with unwanted outside criticism from people coming into your thread with an axe to grind.

Don’t be a hypocrite.

Think about what a thread like this, like the Black Culture thread, and similar discussions mean to their creators and core audience, then think carefully about your intentions. If you’re there (or here) to post negative content like an accusation and harass the thread’s regulars, you’re not acting in good faith. Bad faith posting is trolling. That is against NikeTalk rules.

Posting that mugshot, absolutely loaded with hostile subtext and nothing else, was a bad faith post. If anyone’s purpose here is to accuse or malign Asian people/cultures generally, you’re also acting in bad faith.


If anybody’s looking for a place that will tolerate your intolerance in the name of “free speech,” I hear Parler is back online. NikeTalk is not for you.

Threads like this one and the Black Culture Thread shouldn’t have to abide the sort of constant micro-aggressions that otherwise permeate society and social media. They should be sanctuaries from bigotry - and not sanctuaries for bigotry.

 

[Nawzlew]

Why, exactly, did you post a Black man’s mugshot with absolutely zero context, computersputin ? What was the message here? Why, exactly, does that picture tell the entire story for you?

How would you feel if someone replied to the George Floyd thread and posted only this, with no context?


Would that be an innocent, neutral, and appropriate thing to contribute?

Absolutely. He was involved and we all saw him involved in the death of George Floyd. He should be identified and appropriately punished.

I don't think computerspustin mug shot post was out of context. IIRC we were talking about the attacks previously. There was only one user that was unaware, not "users". In fact, another poster (not computersputin) posted who it was.

There are serious, life and death matters at issue here, like the surge in anti-Asian hate crimes and discrimination. How would you feel if your attempts to discuss these issues was met with smug, childish trolling and dismissive comments like “Why is hate crime bad? Don’t you hate crime? Lololol” or “how do you know that old man didn’t do anything to deserve it? Why do you assume everything is about race? I’m sick and tired of you making everything into a racial issue. Stop playing the victim! NikeTalk is supposed to be about shoes and positive vibes and you’re ruining it for me!” Before he was banned, nawghtyhare attempted something along these lines in a thread you created about an apparent hate crime in San Francisco. You didn’t much appreciate that, did you?

Let's be honest Meth, we can't discuss this issue anywhere else on NT except for here. I've thought about creating a thread on it to get more eyes on the increase in attacks since it's not being that heavily discussed in media. If we were to create a thread entitled "Asians being targeted" with news articles of the attacks and perpetrators, how long do you think that thread lasts? We'd be accused of having "ulterior motives". The aforementioned thread went 7 pages because it started getting derailed on page 2.









Anyway, just thought I'd give my opinion in it.

 

[Methodical Management]

Absolutely. He was involved and we all saw him involved in the death of George Floyd. He should be identified and appropriately punished.

If you're posting something with no context, that's not a neutral act. In so doing, you've made it clear that what you've posted speaks for itself, and that the item you've selected is the only thing that need be shared. These are value-laden choices, and interpretations may vary - as we've seen here.

I don't think computerspustin mug shot post was out of context. IIRC we were talking about the attacks previously.

Again, what information did the mugshot convey that required no explanation or context? Why not make a basic effort to avoid misinterpretation?

I don't think that picture said a thousand words. A favorable interpretation is "here's the assailant," but if you've lived your whole life watching people who look like you and/or members of your family vilified on the local news, the message it sends sounds a lot more like "another Black criminal."

If that's not a message you'd want to send, this is something you will want to remain mindful of now that it's been brought to your attention. This is a benefit of diversity: you aren't limited to your own preconceived notions about how something might be viewed differently from another perspective.

There was only one user that was unaware, not "users".

That only one user posted prior to tagging me does not mean that only one user took issue with this. Regardless, I'm not okay with the bar being "only one person was offended enough to say something publicly, so it doesn't matter."

There's been a lot of back and forth sub-posting going on between certain users in this and other threads, of which the staff has been made painfully aware. I'm tired of seeing it poison worthy discussions, and I know I'm not the only one.

Let's be honest Meth, we can't discuss this issue anywhere else on NT except for here. I've thought about creating a thread on it to get more eyes on the increase in attacks since it's not being that heavily discussed in media. If we were to create a thread entitled "Asians being targeted" with news articles of the attacks and perpetrators, how long do you think that thread lasts? We'd be accused of having "ulterior motives".

It's perfectly appropriate to have that conversation here - but a separate thread is absolutely warranted as well. The issue with the thread you've referenced in your screenshots is that, of all the anti-Asian hate crimes committed around the time of the thread, the topic starter chose to single out one whose alleged assailant was a Black man, leading to speculation that this was less about discussing hate anti-Asian hate crimes generally than vilifying Black men. The thread quickly went off the rails and the topic deserved better framing - not something that only further perpetuates racism via "divide and conquer."

Do you agree that a thread titled "Shopping While Black" involving a variety of examples would hit differently than one titled "Asian store owner harasses Black family?"

 

[Nawzlew]

Do you agree that a thread titled "Shopping While Black" involving a variety of examples would hit differently than one titled "Asian store owner harasses Black family?"

Fair enough.

But how many people do you think would say the OP of the second thread title is having ulterior motives. And, if someone did, what do you think the response would be to the accuser? Honestly.

To me, that's the difference.

I think you and the rest of the NT staff have done a fantastic job in creating a welcoming community for people of all backgrounds, Asians included (fundraisers, I made the badges for one of the tiers for the tsunami fundraiser) but I don't think it's disingenuous to say there's some people that are/were able to walk a very fine line for a while.

EDIT: Also to just touch on the mug shot, I wouldn't think it's farfetched to believe computersputin would have posted it if the assailant was Asian, White, Latino, or any other ethnicity. The context is there, I believe, these attacks were previously discussed and it's also a huge topic within the Asian community currently.

 

[Methodical Management]

I think you and the rest of the NT staff have done a fantastic job in creating a welcoming community for people of all backgrounds, Asians included (fundraisers, I made the badges for one of the tiers for the tsunami fundraiser) but I don't think it's disingenuous to say there's some people that are/were able to walk a very fine line for a while.

EDIT: Also to just touch on the mug shot, I wouldn't think it's farfetched to believe computersputin would have posted it if the assailant was Asian, White, Latino, or any other ethnicity. The context is there, I believe, these attacks were previously discussed and it's also a huge topic within the Asian community currently.

It's interesting, because there are quite a few other users who've claimed that it's possible to say anything about Black people on NikeTalk without consequence, but the slightest insult directed at an Asian person will result in an immediate ban.

Those perspectives appear contradictory, but I think it stands to reason that a lot of people are be more attuned to the types of defamatory content and micro-aggressions to which that they have themselves been subjected. There are likely people you get a particular vibe from because of the way they've phrased certain things, or the positions they tend to take, who may not have expressed any overt prejudice, but who you nonetheless consider habitual line steppers. You'll look at their future posts within that context. Maybe you expect them to take certain sides and make certain slights which would betray a particular bias.

That's the lens through which Kinfolk appears to have assessed computersputin's recent posts.


I do of course remember your contributions to our community fundraisers, including the art you submitted that helped us raise thousands of dollars for Mercy Corps/Peace Winds Japan's tsunami relief efforts in 2011. From what I know of you, I think that if someone found a post of yours hurtful and offensive, your reaction would not be to post a laughing emoji or double down on it. I think you'd want to address any potential miscommunication in a way that respected the concerns of those who felt targeted or attacked.

I also don't believe that you've ever trolled a thread about racism, so I think you ought to take the broader context of this situation into consideration to avoid giving the impression that you're endorsing the behaviors of the person you're defending. For instance: he just clicked the laugh reaction to the post frink85 shared explaining how the model minority myth is harmful, not flattering. How is that a joke? That's walking a pretty fine line, too, don't you think?

As a staff member, I obviously have access to prior warnings and previously deleted content. What I'm seeing here is a lot of sniping between people who've been previously warned and removed from other threads for offensive posts - and it's clearly having a detrimental impact on this thread at an especially bad time. It's important that we clear this up now and remove anyone who isn't acting in good faith.

 

[wballz]

Why, exactly, did you post a Black man’s mugshot with absolutely zero context, computersputin ? What was the message here? Why, exactly, does that picture tell the entire story for you?

How would you feel if someone replied to the George Floyd thread and posted only this, with no context?

Would that be an innocent, neutral, and appropriate thing to contribute?

There are serious, life and death matters at issue here, like the surge in anti-Asian hate crimes and discrimination. How would you feel if your attempts to discuss these issues was met with smug, childish trolling and dismissive comments like “Why is hate crime bad? Don’t you hate crime? Lololol” or “how do you know that old man didn’t do anything to deserve it? Why do you assume everything is about race? I’m sick and tired of you making everything into a racial issue. Stop playing the victim! NikeTalk is supposed to be about shoes and positive vibes and you’re ruining it for me!” Before he was banned, nawghtyhare attempted something along these lines in a thread you created about an apparent hate crime in San Francisco. You didn’t much appreciate that, did you?

Now take a moment to reflect back on when you, hipstermike , and tupac jordan thought it would be hilarious to troll the “thread about race” at the height of this summer’s Black Lives Matter protests to spam a bunch of facetious replies about racing.

Those of you squabbling right now need to think about how it feels to put up with unwanted outside criticism from people coming into your thread with an axe to grind.

Don’t be a hypocrite.

Think about what a thread like this, like the Black Culture thread, and similar discussions mean to their creators and core audience, then think carefully about your intentions. If you’re there (or here) to post negative content like an accusation and harass the thread’s regulars, you’re not acting in good faith. Bad faith posting is trolling. That is against NikeTalk rules.

Posting that mugshot, absolutely loaded with hostile subtext and nothing else, was a bad faith post. If anyone’s purpose here is to accuse or malign Asian people/cultures generally, you’re also acting in bad faith.


If anybody’s looking for a place that will tolerate your intolerance in the name of “free speech,” I hear Parler is back online. NikeTalk is not for you.

Threads like this one and the Black Culture Thread shouldn’t have to abide the sort of constant micro-aggressions that otherwise permeate society and social media. They should be sanctuaries from bigotry - and not sanctuaries for bigotry.

Who cares if that cop mugshot is posted with no labels or context around it ? I would personally bayonet his a**. The guy is scum. He can be any race, but what he did in his position of authority makes him scum, regardless of race.

Same goes for the walmart version of Tim Hardaway Jr. up there.....

 

[boywonder]

Methodical Management

Please take my comments as constructive feedback for this site.

Please note that I am in no way shape or form trying to create any type of race wars between anyone on this sneakerboard. HOWEVER….

Over the last year, the general section has been bombarded with racial treads related “African Americans” and black awareness, especially from a selected group of individuals on here. Now, do I think there is an issue with rights with black lives and there needs to be more awareness to this topic? 100%. No if, ands, and buts. But there doesn’t need to be 1000 different threads dedicated to this. We can have open discussions about black culture in the “Black Culture” thread as most of us have been discussing about Asians in this thread. Sure, an incident like George Floyd definitely deserves its own thread because of how traumatic it was, not just for black people, but minorities versus police. But to allow a thread such as, “not going into Sushi spots in certain neighborhoods” when we have a black culture thread already in general where we can openly discuss those type of things, is totally unnecessary.

Let me know Methodical Management if my observation is incorrect on opening up multiple threads on racial topics. If so, then I think we should start a few on elderly Asians being attacked, or how Asians were targeted during the start of the pandemic, or how Trump used “China Virus” consistently in his press conferences. Otherwise, I think all those random racial topics need to be locked and consolidated so the thread on "Everything about race" can be openly discussed so we can overcome racism as a collective group.

I just want to make sure we’re all aligned and clear.

 

[KHUFU]

Methodical Management

Please take my comments as constructive feedback for this site.

Please note that I am in no way shape or form trying to create any type of race wars between anyone on this sneakerboard. HOWEVER….

Over the last year, the general section has been bombarded with racial treads related “African Americans” and black awareness, especially from a selected group of individuals on here. Now, do I think there is an issue with rights with black lives and there needs to be more awareness to this topic? 100%. No if, ands, and buts. But there doesn’t need to be 1000 different threads dedicated to this. We can have open discussions about black culture in the “Black Culture” thread as most of us have been discussing about Asians in this thread. Sure, an incident like George Floyd definitely deserves its own thread because of how traumatic it was, not just for black people, but minorities versus police. But to allow a thread such as, “not going into Sushi spots in certain neighborhoods” when we have a black culture thread already in general where we can openly discuss those type of things, is totally unnecessary.

Let me know Methodical Management if my observation is incorrect on opening up multiple threads on racial topics. If so, then I think we should start a few on elderly Asians being attacked, or how Asians were targeted during the start of the pandemic, or how Trump used “China Virus” consistently in his press conferences. Otherwise, I think all those random racial topics need to be locked and consolidated so the thread on "Everything about race" can be openly discussed so we can overcome racism as a collective group.

I just want to make sure we’re all aligned and clear.

 

[boywonder]

Thanks KHUFU for posting a picture but not providing any context from your own perspective on what you're trying to communicate. So far, all I have seen from you is post a bunch of topics on a sneaker board about race but haven't seen any action in real life on what you're doing to help progress black lives. In fact, I am willing to bet I do more for black people than you do. A lot of bay area nters on this board know me and saw me on the front lines during BLM rallies in Oakland. I also have donated my own money towards the cause, and as a Oakland native, have worked with young African American children in east Oakland to obtain resources for higher education. In fact, the company I work for now is a huge supporter of the black movement and we have attended multiple events promoting Black History month.

Feel free to post of picture of yourself doing something in real life that shows more than what you write here on Niketalk. You can go ahead and talk this big game. But I don't need a message board to help drive progression with minorities, whether they are black, Asian, etc.

 

[KHUFU]

Thanks KHUFU for posting a picture but not providing any context from your own perspective on what you're trying to communicate. So far, all I have seen from you is post a bunch of topics on a sneaker board about race but haven't seen any action in real life on what you're doing to help progress black lives. In fact, I am willing to bet I do more for black people than you do. A lot of bay area nters on this board know me and saw me on the front lines during BLM rallies in Oakland. I also have donated my own money towards the cause, and as a Oakland native, have worked with young African American children in east Oakland to obtain resources for higher education.

Feel free to post of picture of yourself doing something in real life that shows more than what you write here on Niketalk. You can go ahead and talk this big game. But I don't need a message board to help drive progression with minorities, whether they are black, Asian, etc.

Your first post was really about telling Black people where, how, and what they should post while here on NikeTalk. That was your first mistake. Second, your question of what I do for Black people, then suggesting that I should post a picture of myself doing such as proof, is even more insulting to those of us who live while being Black in this country.

Perhaps a discussion with your Black friends that you've supposedly supported, can hip you to your flawed stance on things....

 

[boywonder]

Your first post was really about telling Black people where, how, and what they should post while here on NikeTalk. That was your first mistake. Second, your question of what I do for Black people, then suggesting that I should post a picture of myself doing such as proof, is even more insulting to those of us who live while being Black in this country.

Perhaps a discussion with your Black friends that you've supposedly supported, can hip you to your flawed stance on things....

Seems like you're the one telling me on what type of discussion I should have with my black friends? Maybe that's your mistake

 

[DCAllAfrican]

.

You the option of avoiding threads that you find pointless.
You also have the option of creating threads that you find worthy of a discussion/conversation.

Attempting to indirectly police the frequency of threads made on situations regarding the Black Struggle is YOUR personal problem.

It's that simple.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Thanks KHUFU for posting a picture but not providing any context from your own perspective on what you're trying to communicate. So far, all I have seen from you is post a bunch of topics on a sneaker board about race but haven't seen any action in real life on what you're doing to help progress black lives. In fact, I am willing to bet I do more for black people than you do. A lot of bay area nters on this board know me and saw me on the front lines during BLM rallies in Oakland. I also have donated my own money towards the cause, and as a Oakland native, have worked with young African American children in east Oakland to obtain resources for higher education. In fact, the company I work for now is a huge supporter of the black movement and we have attended multiple events promoting Black History month.

Feel free to post of picture of yourself doing something in real life that shows more than what you write here on Niketalk. You can go ahead and talk this big game. But I don't need a message board to help drive progression with minorities, whether they are black, Asian, etc.

I don't even know where to start with this reply but I am sure everyone else sees it.

You practically used every possible/available textbook response one could use in this type of "conversation."

 

[boywonder]

You the option of avoiding threads that you find pointless.
You also have the option of creating threads that you find worthy of a discussion/conversation.

Attempting to indirectly police the frequency of threads made on situations regarding the Black Struggle is YOUR personal problem.

It's that simple.

No worries. That's actually why I wanted to ask the question to Methodical Management so I can understand clearly on what the TRUE guidelines are for posting multiple race threads. If he states that we do need multiple race threads, I will stand corrected and post some threads on racial issues surrounding Asians.

 

[JPS]

are Asians allowed to comment on the Asian hate crimes?

 

[DCAllAfrican]

No worries. That's actually why I wanted to ask the question to Methodical Management so I can understand clearly on what the TRUE guidelines are for posting multiple race threads. If he states that we do need multiple race threads, I will stand corrected and post some threads on racial issues surrounding Asians.

I think you know the "Guidelines" already.

You just wanted to express your feelings about seeing too many threads in General about the Black Struggle.

It is what it is.

Nowhere in the NT Rulebook does it state that you are limited about what you can discuss. (Outside of the obvious)

So this, "I just wanted to see the guidelines are for posting multiple race threads" fake questioning is pure bull and you know it.