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very well done. A good watch/listen. The screen caps kind of paint a picture, but it’s a lot more even handed and nuanced than the screen capture. Dude be killin it. I like where he ended.




This too…..

 
very well done. A good watch/listen. The screen caps kind of paint a picture, but it’s a lot more even handed and nuanced than the screen capture. Dude be killin it. I like where he ended.




This too…..


Caught some of those earlier, yeah if you're not familiar with his work the screencaps might give you the wrong idea. Looking forward to a Ben Carson breakdown, white America has no idea how much we looked up to that dude.
 
Every time i see an article "dissecting" former black leaders it's two things

1) a big percentage of the time it's coming from someone outside of the culture
2) it's always trying to downplay accomplishments & highlight flaws
 
Every time i see an article "dissecting" former black leaders it's two things

1) a big percentage of the time it's coming from someone outside of the culture
2) it's always trying to downplay accomplishments & highlight flaws

The joints I posted are from black people. Really good articles for real. Nobody is infallible. None of the commentaries are perfect.

I do wanna take a closer look at some historical figures. We can hold them up, and still be critical of them.

Hailee Selassie is an intersting one to me. Because you ask an Eritrean, and they might give you a different perspective.

That’s all.
 
Not the point. This really going to devolve into a surface level convo 😩 🤦🏾‍♂️

?? I'm not even disputing anything said by you or the video :lol:. As i stated i don't care about anything Obama related.

Just finished that Selassie piece & it's 1000% what i expected

"Some of his dedicated followers would be dismayed to learn that Selassie revered not his “own people” but the Ferenjochu (Europeans) and Americans, who were routinely invited to his lavish parties in his palace"

"Historical accounts of the reign of Menelik II show him as contemptuous of blackness, an expansionist, an enslaver and cruel."

" Invoking Selassie or Menelik II as Teddy Afro does polarises communities because it insults those who do not share this interpretation of history and the terrible legacy of these monarchs."

"The misplaced form of black nationalism created by Rastafarians, in giving reverence to a man who never deserved it"

Another black "academic" completely ****ting on the legacy of a black man who's held in high regard by many.
 
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Thoughts?

One of my family members shared this article with me a few months back. Some things you can agree on and others you can brush off. Most of the "Rasta's" who look at Selassie as God or some religious figure aren't aware of the history and reiterating something that was passed down to them. You will see some wearing a pin with both Garvey and Selassie. which if you know history, is a bit of a contradiction considering that Garvey shifted his views regarding him. Historically the original Rastas in Jamaica were persecuted. Some of what you see presented to you today as "Rasta's" is far different from the original. Some of the new age ones have shifted far from the original views.

Not all had dreads or shared the same religious beliefs. However, their core goals were the liberation of black people worldwide. There were various sects of Rastafari. Each with their own beliefs. Not all believed that Selassie is God or the reincarnation of Christ. Some believed that he was a prophet. If you listen to Reggae from certain Rasta artists you will hear the mixed message from each. For example, Capleton stated that "Selassie nuh born innah nuh manger" whereas Chronix referred to him as Christ. But they are both Rastas, however, their viewpoints differ. Some don't even believe in any form of Abrahamic faith. Some lean towards African spirituality.

The history of Ethiopia is quite complexed. The author made some valid points, however, they strike me as someone who aligned with one of the opposition factions within Ethiopia/Eritrea.

Some historians have argued that Menelek's words were taken out of context. People also forget that slavery in other parts of the world was vastly different from slavery in the Americas. Benito and Menelek were good friends and while Menelek stated that he was not Negro and referred to himself as Caucasian, some believe that he meant from the context of equating negro=slave, Caucasian= High position within society. From my understanding they communicated via translators. So much could have been misconstrued. I remember reading somewhere that he told some other group that he was Negro to ally with them.


Selassie has made some questionable moves, but he has also made progressive steps within the country and Africa. He set up the precursor of the African union and created the first constitution within Ethiopia. Revisions to the judicial system, modernization of the country(healthcare and technology), etc. Yes, he may have had to frolic amongst white politicians, but many of those same politicians controlled the vast majority of the world and resources during that period. His Country was about to conquered by one much more powerful from a military standpoint and he needed as much help that he could get.

Ethiopia and Eritrea have historical ties with one another. And at various parts of history, parts of Eritrea were a part of Ethiopia. The argument can be made that Eritrea has served as a crash dummy for outside forces for hundreds of years to fight and disrupt Ethiopia. The Ottoman's, Italians and Egyptians. Not justifying his annexation of the country, but unfortunately, it is just another power move within history.


While some may look down upon Selassie as some dictator or overlord, you have to take into consideration that he was a leader and you're not going to agree with every move that he's made. Hell, his very own son tried to overthrow him. This is no different than what we have seen historically throughout various kingdoms and empires.
 
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?? I'm not even disputing anything said by you or the video :lol:. As i stated i don't care about anything Obama related.

Just finished that Selassie piece & it's 1000% what i expected

"Some of his dedicated followers would be dismayed to learn that Selassie revered not his “own people” but the Ferenjochu (Europeans) and Americans, who were routinely invited to his lavish parties in his palace"

"Historical accounts of the reign of Menelik II show him as contemptuous of blackness, an expansionist, an enslaver and cruel."

" Invoking Selassie or Menelik II as Teddy Afro does polarises communities because it insults those who do not share this interpretation of history and the terrible legacy of these monarchs."

"The misplaced form of black nationalism created by Rastafarians, in giving reverence to a man who never deserved it"

Another black "academic" completely ****ting on the legacy of a black man who's held in high regard by many.

Your takeaway is wild. But I knew you’d come to that. I don’t think the article is what you’re making it to be (or what you want your confirmation bias to confirm).

Rather like tomdiginson tomdiginson , another differing faction viewpoint from an Eritrean/Ethiopian. Not a “BLACK ACADEMIC” ****ting on the legacy of a black man held in high regard. I don’t think the writer is approaching it from the angle you want it to to he. But alas

Anyways….THIS is more of the discussion I was looking for.

One of my family members shared this article with me a few months back. Some things you can agree on and others you can brush off. Most of the "Rasta's" who look at Selassie as God or some religious figure aren't aware of the history and reiterating something that was passed down to them. You will see some wearing a pin with both Garvey and Selassie. which if you know history, is a bit of a contradiction considering that Garvey shifted his views regarding him. Historically the original Rastas in Jamaica were persecuted. Some of what you see presented to you today as "Rasta's" is far different from the original. Some of the new age ones have shifted far from the original views.

Not all had dreads or shared the same religious beliefs. However, their core goals were the liberation of black people worldwide. There were various sects of Rastafari. Each with their own beliefs. Not all believed that Selassie is God or the reincarnation of Christ. Some believed that he was a prophet. If you listen to Reggae from certain Rasta artists you will hear the mixed message from each. For example, Capleton stated that "Selassie nuh born innah nuh manger" whereas Chronix referred to him as Christ. But they are both Rastas, however, their viewpoints differ. Some don't even believe in any form of Abrahamic faith. Some lean towards African spirituality.

The history of Ethiopia is quite complexed. The author made some valid points, however, they strike me as someone who aligned with one of the opposition factions within Ethiopia/Eritrea.

Some historians have argued that Menelek's words were taken out of context. People also forget that slavery in other parts of the world was vastly different from slavery in the Americas. Benito and Menelek were good friends and while Menelek stated that he was not Negro and referred to himself as Caucasian, some believe that he meant from the context of equating negro=slave, Caucasian= High position within society. From my understanding they communicated via translators. So much could have been misconstrued. I remember reading somewhere that he told some other group that he was Negro to ally with them.


Selassie has made some questionable moves, but he has also made progressive steps within the country and Africa. He set up the precursor of the African union and created the first constitution within Ethiopia. Revisions to the judicial system, modernization of the country(healthcare and technology), etc. Yes, he may have had to frolic amongst white politicians, but many of those same politicians controlled the vast majority of the world and resources during that period. His Country was about to conquered by one much more powerful from a military standpoint and he needed as much help that he could get.

Ethiopia and Eritrea have historical ties with one another. And at various parts of history, parts of Eritrea were a part of Ethiopia. The argument can be made that Eritrea has served as a crash dummy for outside forces for hundreds of years to fight and disrupt Ethiopia. The Ottoman's, Italians and Egyptians. Not justifying his annexation of the country, but unfortunately, it is just another power move within history.


While some may look down upon Selassie as some dictator or overlord, you have to take into consideration that he was a leader and you're not going to agree with every move that he's made. Hell, his very own son tried to overthrow him. This is no different than what we have seen historically throughout various kingdoms and empires.

Good talk tomdiginson tomdiginson . I came away with similar thoughts after reading that article. Appreciate the further content for the varying rastas, and their views. There’s a generationalization and I could say some misconception on this topic.
 
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