Black Culture Discussion Thread

[trynafeelmink]

The same people who told me that the violent rap lyrics don't effect actual violence in the black community, are back today to tell me tweets from Ye & Kyrie are raising antisemitism worldwide & can cause actual physical danger to the Jewish community

 

[young safari]

Shaq and Chuck just got a major bag from TNT right?

How yall expect them to act? Stand up? Hah they fully folded and bent over for that bag.

 

[gry60]

kyrie should be able articulate it instead of playing victim

It's not hard to understand why he didn't clarify his post and became defensive. He didn't post that movie for "constructive discussion."

It's just crazy to me how fast accountability goes out of the window the moment someone famous espouse terrible views.



The last paragraph:

 

[tokes99]

The same people who told me that the violent rap lyrics don't effect actual violence in the black community, are back today to tell me tweets from Ye & Kyrie are raising antisemitism worldwide & can cause actual physical danger to the Jewish community

altho their approaches are on the opposite ends (ye has famously said he doesn’t read much of anything & kyrie is on some zen search for knowledge ) but both individuals don’t seem to be doing the necessary math on their public thoughts, both just kind throw stuff out out there without much context or exposition and neither has been able clearly articulate/or been necessarily willing to fully articulate their thoughts when asked for clarity…

Shaq and Chuck just got a major bag from TNT right?

How yall expect them to act? Stand up? Hah they fully folded and bent over for that bag.

i’m confused by this perspective, it’s not like either are switching up…chuck been hella conservative & shaq isn’t some bastion of revolutionary action/thought, so how would they be folding???

 

[trynafeelmink]

altho their approaches are on the opposite ends (ye has famously said he doesn’t read much of anything & kyrie is on some zen search for knowledge ) but both individuals don’t seem to be doing the necessary math on their public thoughts, both just kind throw stuff out out there without much context or exposition and neither has been able clearly articulate/or been necessarily willing to fully articulate their thoughts when asked for clarity…


i’m confused by this perspective, it’s not like either are switching up…chuck been hella conservative & shaq isn’t some bastion of revolutionary action/thought, so how would they be folding???

Respectfully that point is completely independent of mine, However you feel about the validity or lack of knowledge on their comments/tweets doesn't change the fact that people labeled those comments as dangerous & violent to the Jewish Community, Those same people yesterday claimed that the songs & videos filled with violence don't have an impact on violence in the black community.

Tweets from superstar rappers/ball players are enough to cause a Nazi uprising & physical damage to Jewish people, but Music from rappers with negative messaging doesn't manifest into real life consequences?

it's a perplexing theory to me

But to your point about them not Articulating & discussing it more..... For what? when have you ever seen someone who's accused of antisemitism have a reasonable discussion about the claim? It's apologize & learn more about Jewish culture. Nobody in mainstream media is going to sit down & let a black person have true dialog on antisemitism

The Public is hungry to crucify them so they not gonna listen anyway, both of them have already been marked, they could be the most intelligent, poignant, intelligent orators of a lifetime & it wouldn't matter to most.

They want a Kyrie quote to ridicule him some more on SM, to write more think pieces, to be the first to tweet who dropped Ye, to tell you what anonymous close source said lol. All these Media outlets want are more clicks

 

[trynafeelmink]

Black Athletes disrespecting other black men for antisemitism..... is a Spartacus Moment!, then somehow found a way to throw politics in it

July of 2020

Black Men are Dying at the hands of cops on a weekly basis & this what's on Kareems mind

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...trage-anti-semitism-sports-hollywood-1303210/

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Where Is the Outrage Over Anti-Semitism in Sports and Hollywood?​

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Recent incidents of anti-Semitic tweets and posts from sports and entertainment celebrities are a very troubling omen for the future of the Black Lives Matter movement, but so too is the shocking lack of massive indignation. Given the New Woke-fulness in Hollywood and the sports world, we expected more passionate public outrage. What we got was a shrug of meh-rage.

 

[gry60]

But to your point about them not Articulating & discussing it more..... For what? when have you ever seen someone who's accused of antisemitism have a reasonable discussion about the claim?

Everytime the Israeli government uses the antisemitic defense to counter their abusive actions towards the minorities that live in their country, or when they take criticism from foreign diplomats and international organizations. Examples of dubious claims of antisemitism are not hard to find.

What Kyrie embraced is different: he's posted a movie that asserts that European Jews are not really Jews; it also asserts that the Holocaust didn't happen. And instead of clarifying his position, this is what he said:

Irving was also asked specifically about his beliefs regarding the Holocaust. "Those falsehoods are unfortunate," Irving said, referring to content in the film. "And it's not that I don't believe in the Holocaust. I never said that. Never, ever have said it. It's not come out of my mouth. I never tweeted it. I never liked anything like it. So the Holocaust in itself is an event that means something to a large group of people that suffered something that could have been avoided."

Sounds very similar to the view that "slavery was a choice." Why should Kyrie skate after saying something like this?

 

[monstar]

Rather then post the movie, I wish Kyrie would pull a Maloney and talk about the nets owner supporting genocide of muslims.

At the end of the day those who sign the checks are beyond reproach.

Money talks. That's why slavery was a choice can slide, white lives matter shirts George floyd misinformation but this post about a movie got the headlines smh.

We need more power in this country.

Has anyone peeped the comments on the movie on amazon? That's gone be a rough place to be

 

[young safari]

i’m confused by this perspective, it’s not like either are switching up…chuck been hella conservative & shaq isn’t some bastion of revolutionary action/thought, so how would they be folding???

Not folding, folded. Fold-ed

You're right they didn't switch up they've beeen willing to do what they are told.
You think this is what they would say on TV if they were employed by the Network?

We have to release the idea that saying something unpopular or something that your employer doesn't agree with is revolutionary action or thought, its normal and you shouldn't have to feel spooked.

I feel as though a lot of players in the NBA stand with Kyrie but won't make a direct statement on his suspension out of fear. He was obviously force to apologize and this shouldn't sit right with anyone...

 

[tokes99]

Not folding, folded. Fold-ed

You're right they didn't switch up they've beeen willing to do what they are told.
You think this is what they would say on TV if they were employed by the Network?

We have to release the idea that saying something unpopular or something that your employer doesn't agree with is revolutionary action or thought, its normal and you shouldn't have to feel spooked.

I feel as though a lot of players in the NBA stand with Kyrie but won't make a direct statement on his suspension out of fear. He was obviously force to apologize and this shouldn't sit right with anyone...

it’s not that i’m or even the masses would say that disagreeing with popular thought or being outspoken is revolutionary, chuck is pretty outspoken, not too many would categorize him as a revolutionary thinker; even if his some of views are not in line with the majority of black folk…my point in using revolutionary was moreso hyperbole; as neither generally have had views that would be apt to align with kyrie how seems to think…so depicting them as folding or folded presumes they actually would think otherwise

there is good reason to be reticent when offering up a controversial stance. fact is, today with the ability, access, & entitlement people have with social media to consume & share ideas/thoughts it does kinda matter what you ‘say’ for public consumption. people have lost jobs or are being called into hr for relatively benign things they post. folks would be wise to be responsible & wary about what words one is willing to commit to the internet ether

i would say the same about what folk put to song altho obviously there is a difference in how music is understood & viewed depending on the artist, audience, & consumer

 

[trynafeelmink]

All i know is that the past couple of years has let me know exactly where things are headed & it isn't positive. About to spend the next year working on every way to just build skills & being able to make money independently on the side. This trying to assimilate into America's culture is a lost cause

 

[Present]

 

[DCAllAfrican]

 

[deusavertat]

F**** that spreadneck Kyrie Irving.

I feel bad for KD.

 

[Quincy McCall]

I don’t know if anyone let rap music off the hook for being harmful, but my take has always been that the violence in our communities come from more structural forms of violence and blaming rap music after every death is simplistic at best, and at its very worst a form of racism

I’ll equate Kyrie pushing antisemetic takes to white folks blaming the conditions in some of our neighborhoods to rap music before I compare the genre to that kind of hate.

Nonetheless, day-by-day, I feel closer to agreeing with folks that say that this culture of misogynistic, violent or sometimes homophobic music has to be managed or ended altogether. Anti-blackness should not be the bar for what’s culturally acceptable to talk about.

 

[spiderjericho]

I think it just goes back to the Breakfast Club video with Lyor Cohen. The basic answer is, this sells.

As a young man, I grew up in the 80s. When I listened to the radio, watched Video Music Box (in NYC), Hiphop was diverse. Yes there was an overly sexual nature to SaltnPeppa. But you had LL Cool J. Public Enemy. MC Lyte. BDP. Big Daddy Kane. Heavy D. Rakim and Eric B. Uncle Luke’s raucous music in the south.

I doubt anyone would blame Kool G Rap or NWA or Ghetto Boys. What we’d blame is the record execs focusing more and more on that type of Hiphop. And the media gatekeepers minimizing the other types of hiphop. At this point, if you’re a rapper, you’re for the most part talking about the toxic misogyny, drugs, violence, etc. Very generalized statement. And yeah you can find alternatives if you look hard enough.

Maybe we’re tired of the negative aspects of black culture being magnified through music we don’t have a say in what’s pushed (we’re not the highest consumer). Maybe that magnification just highlights systemic issues that have not been addressed by the gate keeper eg poverty, inherited wealth, red lining, unfair drug laws, police brutality (literally one of the first NWA songs), etc.

 

[6pac]

Shaq and Chuck just got a major bag from TNT right?

How yall expect them to act? Stand up? Hah they fully folded and bent over for that bag.

computersputin please stop @ing me they banned everyone who don’t wanna **** on Ye and Kyrie from that thread

 

[TSCQ]

All i know is that the past couple of years has let me know exactly where things are headed & it isn't positive. About to spend the next year working on every way to just build skills & being able to make money independently on the side. This trying to assimilate into America's culture is a lost cause

This is the way.

 

[Present]

All of this is by design.

We're speaking of a way of life that would literally cease to exist should unity amongst the masses ever be realized.

Unity (especially amongst Black folks) is a threat to National Security.

History itself teaches us this.

Music is and has always been a weapon of warfare:

In 1986, Paramount Pictures offered Top Gun with Tom Cruise. It has been called the greatest enlistment movie ever made. In this movie, the hot-shot young naval fighter pilot goes to war playing loud “rock and roll” music through his headphones. The idea seemed ridiculous at the time, but today many soldiers going into battle listen to hard-rock music, so the movie was a harbinger of things to come. Perhaps the best music in the movie was the Kenny Loggin’s song “Danger Zone.” To show the power of music, enlistment for naval aviators jumped 500 percent after the film's release and it was reported that 16,000 young people enlisted in the United States Navy in the year after the release of "Top Gun." Lots of kids believed they could go to war listening to loud music.

By the way, on the subject of Top Gun, during Desert Storm movies were shown to the Iraqi prisoners to keep them calm and occupied while they were behind the wire. The prisoner’s favorite movies were found to be Top Gun and Superman.

In 2017, it was reported that the youth of Iran no longer reacts to the tedious anti-American chants of the Ayatollah and the Republican Guard. So instead, the propaganda is now being sung as part of rap music on very well-done patriotic videos. Iranian clerics have long insisted that rap music is the devil’s work, but they had no complaints when Amir Tataloo, a rapper with a hard-partying, gangster-style reputation, turned into a nationalistic admirer of Iran’s military effort in the Persian Gulf. Mr. Tataloo rapped that “an armed Persian Gulf” is Iran’s “absolute right.” Another famous Iranian singer by the name of Hamed Zamani sings in a song entitled “U.S.A.”: “Our injured throat is familiar with your claw,” next to a version of the Statue of Liberty as a skeleton holding up a menorah instead of a torch.

What is it about this music? What magic does music create? Why are humans so affected by it? Kimberly Hess talked about the magic in an article entitled “The Beautiful Life of Your Brain,” published in the September 2014 issue of Reader’s Digest. She says in part:

First, the sound hits your ear, activating a series of structures from the cochlea (where vibrations are turned into electrical impulses) to the brain’s cortex. When you recognize the tune, your auditory cortex is connecting with regions that handle memory retrieval. Then, if you are starting to tap your foot, you’ve activated the motor cortex in a very particular way because you’re tapping the exact beat of the song. Finally, if the song has you feeling good, the song has turned on your brain’s reward system, ancient powerful circuitry triggered by essentials for survival like eating and sex.

Why does something seemingly nonessential like music engage that life promoting system? Scientists are still trying to figure that out, but what happens to your brain when you hear a song you love may provide some crucial insight. “Music increases cross talk between brain structures in old reward centers that handle pleasure and newer areas at the cortex that handle prediction and anticipation.” says Robert Zatorre, PHD, professor of neuroscience at the Montreal Neurological Institute and Hospital at McGill University. In one study he found that the brain released dopamine, a chemical linked to pleasure and reward, in anticipation of a subject’s favorite part of the song. So it may be that music fuels your brain’s innate desire to detect patterns and solve problems.

From commercials on TV to psychological warfare - music is a weapon.

THE USE OF MUSIC IN PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATIONS

 

[6pac]

People will concede to changing their hair/dress/slang because of rappers but saying they may influence the youth to behave negatively even a small percentage is a crazy idea to folks

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I don’t know if anyone let rap music off the hook for being harmful, but my take has always been that the violence in our communities come from more structural forms of violence and blaming rap music after every death is simplistic at best, and at its very worst a form of racism

I’ll equate Kyrie pushing antisemetic takes to white folks blaming the conditions in some of our neighborhoods to rap music before I compare the genre to that kind of hate.

Nonetheless, day-by-day, I feel closer to agreeing with folks that say that this culture of misogynistic, violent or sometimes homophobic music has to be managed or ended altogether. Anti-blackness should not be the bar for what’s culturally acceptable to talk about.

I think it all matters.

It starts with how many of us are living. (Systemic)

The types of entertainment we are fed and that are heavily promoted in the mainstream. (Violence, Music)

It all matters in my opinion.

Anyone that says the violence comes FROM (only) the music is losing sight of the big picture but I would also say the same to those that deny the influence it has in many of our young folks.

 

[finessence]

Says the dude who made money by playing snoop dogg in a movie… or a show based off his friend being a rapper? The guy who kissed Daniel Glover in his show? HELL NO…

We (I) don’t care about a dude who walks around like this…

Dude is a CLOWN

 

[DCAllAfrican]

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People will concede to changing their hair/dress/slang because of rappers but saying they may influence the youth to behave negatively even a small percentage is a crazy idea to folks

Yea, I'm not quite sure why people dismiss it so easily. Probably because it is a strong talking point from the right, who knows? But it most certainly influences. We know the power of entertainment when we want to know the power of it.

 

[finessence]

People LOVEEEEE to blame a genre that’s literally only existed for 40 years…. There’s TONS of music done by us that’s not hip hop. The problem? People don’t APPRECIATE conscious music or smooth r&b.

Crime was here before, and it’ll be here AFTER hip hop.

Again, show me ONE gun manufacturer in the hood. People are just lazy and followers nowadays and love to point the finger, instead of being accountable.

Social Media and the US education is the real problem. Kids literally can access porn on FB, IG, Twitter, etc…

Who are the ones posting porn to these public social media networks?? PARENTS/ADULTS

 

[Present]

Ohhh yall want to Million Man March huh?

Unity huh?

Quick - tell those rappers and magazines to pump up the volume on that East Coast vs West Coast thing.

The Nikes & Polo aint working no more? Sprinkle some Versace and Louie on em...

The gold chains aint working no more? Hit 'em with the Rolies & the diamonds...

The South & Midwest?

Yeah hold the diamonds and Versace for now & keep telling them the East Coast and West Coast said they don't want to hear that country noise.