BLACK MAN SHOT WHILE JOGGING IN GEORGIA

[KHUFU]

Please see @marikomorose 's post on page 1 or 2 about why POC is disrespectful to use when there is a SPECIFIC color being discussed as being treated unfairly.

This moderator is interesting.

 

[IATT]

 

[KHUFU]

Crap, I didn't see that. In this day and age, ignorance is no excuse, but if you could simply direct me to that conversation, I'll catch up.
Remember, you can only speak to your experience and those in your ingroup. That's your own standard. Others cannot speak for your ingroup, and you cannot speak for theirs.
Completely agree. I said nothing along those lines, though. I agree that black people have had it worse in this country than other minorities, but that wasn't what I was speaking to. I was speaking to the stereotypical look of the 2 murderers, that they look like the stereotypical minority-hating image I would expect. They do look like they hate minorities. I didn't specifically, exclusively, and only say that they look like they hate black people, and that's ok. My comment wasn't a commentary on the histrionics of all different minorities in this country, and it didn't have to be.

Wrong. My experience is THE Black experience in this country, and I can speak to ALL of it due to the sacrifices that were made by OUR ancestors.

 

[kingkoopa]

Native Americans had it the worst actually

Famb wut r u dewin!?!?!??

Let's talk holocaust while we're at it.

What does that have to do with our problems?

 

[darthska]

ALL white people are racist, and that is due to white privilege.

Let's make sure we all only speak to our own experience. Someone who has no experience being black cannot reasonably speak for black people, or even the experience of one black person, as you've stated. If a non black person has an observation or opinion of the black experience, that's the best that it can be: a presumption and opinion based on what they've observed. They cannot make a definitive statement on black people or a black person without being black.

Conversely, someone who has no experience being white cannot speak for all white people, or even one white person. If a non white person has an observation or opinion of white people, that's the best that it can be: a presumption and opinion based on what they've observed. They cannot make a definitive statement on a white people or a white person without being white.

I mean, that's according to what I've observed you speak to. I don't need necessarily agree, but that's a mindset you've shared.

 

[Present]

Native Americans had it the worst actually

Members of five Native American nations, the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole Nations (known as the Five Tribes), owned black slaves. Then located outside the territorial boundaries of the US in a region known as Indian Territory (modern-day Oklahoma), these sovereign nations were not affected by proclamations or constitutional amendments. Instead, separate treaties had to be made between the US and these Native American nations not only to free enslaved peoples, but also to formally end the American Civil War battles and antagonism between American and Native American troops.

The fact that by the time of the Civil War black chattel slavery had been an element of life among the Five Tribes for decades is rarely discussed. It is, however, an important aspect of US history which serves to remind us of the complexity of colonialism, exploitation and victimisation that laid the foundations of our country.

How Native Americans adopted slavery from white settlers

And how black people in Indian Territory were denied their rights even after their emancipation.

www.aljazeera.com

Bonus:

While the former slaves of the Cherokee, Creek, Seminole, and Choctaw Nations became tribal citizens due to the Treaties of 1866, throughout the 20th century, all of the Five Tribes eventually rescinded the tribal membership of these freedpeople and their descendants. Although their former slaves had lived among them for generations, sharing land, history, and trauma with them, the Five Tribes claimed that they were interlopers who had no place among them because they had no Native ancestry.

 

[KHUFU]

Let's make sure we all only speak to our own experience. Someone who has no experience being black cannot reasonably speak for black people, or even the experience of one black person, as you've stated. If a non black person has an observation or opinion of the black experience, that's the best that it can be: a presumption and opinion based on what they've observed. They cannot make a definitive statement on black people or a black person without being black.

Conversely, someone who has no experience being white cannot speak for all white people, or even one white person. If a non white person has an observation or opinion of white people, that's the best that it can be: a presumption and opinion based on what they've observed. They cannot make a definitive statement on a white people or a white person without being white.

I mean, that's according to what I've observed you speak to. I don't need necessarily agree, but that's a mindset you've shared.

You seem to not understand how Dred Scott effected ALL Black people. You seem to not understand how Plessy v, Ferguson solidified that decision for ALL Black people in america. Not asians, not native americans, not The Irish, nor the italians. Do you understand that? ALL Black people in america were subjected to this, and we are STILL effected by those decisions today.

 

[rolaholic]

Disgusting

As if any of that would have any bearing at all on what happened...

Next up they're probably gonna try to dig up his past and use an instance of smoking weed in HS or something to justify his murder and not arresting the killers for over 2 months

 

[darthska]

Please see @marikomorose 's post on page 1 or 2 about why POC is disrespectful to use when there is a SPECIFIC color being discussed as being treated unfairly.

Done. Thank you for the redirect.

Men of Color... Women of Color... People of Color...

People of Color is an exclusionary term masked as an inclusionary term that undermines the plights of Black Americans

Spoiler: u citizen here?

(American, Canadian, British, Dominican, Haitian, Puerto Rican, French, Nigerian, etc included)

by grouping other minority groups together as one as if their historical and future struggles have been or will be equal to the struggles Black ppl have faced in the Americas.

Elizabeth Warren claimed Native American for the longest which technically made her a "pEARson oF cOLoUr." Anyone w/ 2 non legally blind eyes can see that Elizabeth Warren is a white woman.

All in all "People of Colour" is disingenuous.
People of Colour is used to appease ppl that yearn to be apart of a struggle they'll never face.
People of Colour sugarcoats & (over)simplifies racism.
People of Colour even more so contributes to the continued marginalization of black people, and the way you just used it exemplifies this.

If you wish to continue using that term then remarkable, but you're no longer ignorant to negative effects it has after/if you read this.

I'll keep this in mind, as that last statement is profoundly true.

Thanks again.

 

[Present]

Let's make sure we all only speak to our own experience. Someone who has no experience being black cannot reasonably speak for black people, or even the experience of one black person, as you've stated. If a non black person has an observation or opinion of the black experience, that's the best that it can be: a presumption and opinion based on what they've observed. They cannot make a definitive statement on black people or a black person without being black.

Conversely, someone who has no experience being white cannot speak for all white people, or even one white person. If a non white person has an observation or opinion of white people, that's the best that it can be: a presumption and opinion based on what they've observed. They cannot make a definitive statement on a white people or a white person without being white.

I mean, that's according to what I've observed you speak to. I don't need necessarily agree, but that's a mindset you've shared.

I get what you're saying but I believe the reference is not the individuals but the collective.

The individual experiences do not matter when we are speaking of institutionalized racism and the people who benefit from it.

You and I might have different individual reactions to being in a burning building - but the fire doesn't care.

 

[slaughterx]

Speaking the truth... Native Americans went through the same **** we did minus the boat trip. They are made to feel like refugees in their own motherland. To this day most of them live in poverty (except for the tribes that own casinos) in some of the least desirable parts of the country. I believe there were NAs in the slave trade too, and some NAs actually owned slaves (as did some Africans).

Slavery among Native Americans in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I found this interesting...

"The earliest record of African and Native American contact occurred in April 1502, when Spanish explorers brought an African slave with them and encountered a Native American band.[52][better source needed] Thereafter, in the early colonial days, Native Americans interacted with enslaved Africans and African Americans in every way possible; Native Americans were enslaved along with Africans, and both often worked with European indentured laborers.[31][2[53] "They worked together, lived together in communal quarters, produced collective recipes for food, shared herbal remedies, myths and legends, and in the end they intermarried."[31][54] Because both races were non-Christian, and because of their differing skin color and physical features, Europeans considered them other and inferior to Europeans. They[ambiguous] worked to make enemies of the two groups. In some areas, Native Americans began to slowly absorb white culture, and in time some Native American tribes came to own slaves."

White supremacy wants us to fight amongst each other because if all PEOPLE OF COLOR and non racist whites came together white supremacy wouldn't stand a chance, but everyone thinks they are the biggest victim.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Done. Thank you for the redirect.

I'll keep this in mind, as that last statement is profoundly true.

Thanks again.

Yea, that and 'All Lives Matter" are step-sisters.

 

[Mamba4life]

On the segregation note, my pops was born in 1945. He and my mom are both in education. I'm a physician, my older brother is a pharmacist, and my younger brother has advanced degrees. Anyone looking at my family would deem it a successful one. I say all of that to say my father to this day says black people, on the whole, were better off when we were segregated. This is coming from a guy who by all accounts has done very well. When I press him on it(because that's my role as the middle child..the agitator )he simply says people were better off. I can't really argue with him because he lived it.

 

[slaughterx]

I dunno... I feel like black folk were being murdered in such ways even more often back then.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

slaughterx is the real MVP

 

[KHUFU]

On the segregation note, my pops was born in 1945. He and my mom are both in education. I'm a physician, my older brother is a pharmacist, and my younger brother has advanced degrees. Anyone looking at my family would deem it a successful one. I say all of that to say my father to this day says black people, on the whole, were better off when we were segregated. This is coming from a guy who by all accounts has done very well. When I press him on it(because that's my role as the middle child..the agitator )he simply says people were better off. I can't really argue with him because he lived it.

Without white interference in Black affairs, we do just fine.

 

[Bert.]

Georgia approaching Florida in terms of trash states

 

[kingkoopa]

Georgia approaching Florida in terms of trash states

Ohio made it off that list?

 

[Bert.]

Ohio made it off that list?

Forgot about them

 

[Present]

Incorrect. Making a blanket statement about anyone due to their skin tone is racist, though.

Please elaborate.

 

[dblplay1212]

Georgia approaching Florida in terms of trash states

Brunswick is the first city across the state line from GA so it's basically north GA. Or Jax is south GA, however you want to word it.

 

[dblplay1212]

Please elaborate.

Saying "All white people..." is racist. Judging someone off their skin tone is racist. Assuming you know their thoughts based on their skin tone is racist. It's literally the definition of racism.

Don't lump me in whit these ****s. I'm embarrassed to share the same skin tone as them.

 

[alchemist iq]

 

[KHUFU]

Incorrect. Making a blanket statement about anyone due to their skin tone is racist, though.

Wrong. Does white privilege exist? Do all white people benefit from that privilege? This is why white supremacy doesn’t do white people any favors. All benefit from said privilege, therefore all are racist, whether they know it, or not.

 

[Mark Antony]

Of course language is the problem here, not the murder. I don't understand some of these folks.