California propositions thread: Props 1,2,3,8,9,11,12 Pass, Props 4,5,6,7,10 fail

[rko2004]

Originally Posted by krapjnad

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by javier5857

Originally Posted by SoHi 23

To me Prop 8 is as black and white as it gets.

Take away rights to certain individuals vs. everyone is given equal treatment.


IMO it doesn't really matter if you think it is wrong, don't agree with it, whatever.
It's just not fair to take away rights.

Seriously, my mom dad & stepmom voted yes..there was no getting to them.

And the Yes rally is infuriating me even more, this doesnt even effect them, the $+$% is wrong with them.

I hate religion.

You know thats where the worlds laws came from right. Well God created rules and regulations IMO. You know humans cannot govern themselves right? You do know there is a God right? You do know people and this earth didn't pop up out of no where for no reason right?

And once again what are civil unions for? And I don't hate gays I just don't think they should be allowed to marry. Yes this world has screwed up a lot of things. Yes in America we have a high divorce rate. But we also have a high crime rate. Should laws against crimes be diminished because people don't fully fallow the laws?

those laws were designed to prevent and punish those that encroach on other people's lives. if someone steals something from me, that negatively affects my life, so there should be a law to prevent and punish. when 2 gay dudes get married, i don't see how it negatively affects anyone's life.

My man have you seen OZ? Have you seen any documentaries about prison sex? Dudes taking other dudes manhood? So homosexuality doesn't negatively affectanyone? But as for gay marriage we have yet to see what it will do. It may bring more people to be gay. I want grandchildren through male/female sex. Can I getthat if my son is with another man?

The discussion has been over. I don't really understand why I need to go into detail as to why I voted yes. Obviously the majority of California voted yes. I guess the majority of California agrees with how I felt.

To tell you the truth, if it didn't pass I wouldn't be as judgemental as those who are no for 8. I'd just shrug my shoulders and say I guess it didn't pass.
Yeah people are getting butt hurt over our RIGHT to say we're against something. Gosh.

SoHi 23 wrote:

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To me Prop 8 is as black and white as it gets.

Take away rights to certain individuals vs. everyone is given equal treatment.


IMO it doesn't really matter if you think it is wrong, don't agree with it, whatever.
It's just not fair to take away rights.
Does this apply to prayer in some public places?

For some reason you think that you simply voted for one of two possible answers, when you don't seem to fully understand the implications of voting YES. There was a time not too long ago where Blacks couldn't take a piss next to a White person and when a majority of people would have gladly made it a constitutional right that Whites would always be separated from blacks. Does that make it right just because they might believe that way? Would it make it any less ignorant and discriminatory if God instilled some value in you that said that was OK?! The bottom line is you are voting against a humans rights issue and people have every right to question that act.

Only on NT could you have one thread that fights for the rights of animals yet takes away rights for humans...

But God didn't say that now did He?

But he did say do not lie with a man as if that man were a woman. I remember that. Oh and yes God gave us free will but he also said don't be of this worldas well. I believe homosexuality is of this world. I'm not down with that.

 

[GreenNGold89]

Originally Posted by DL2352

at the end of the day, i really hope those that voted yes on 8 understand exactly what they did. you can view it as voting based on your values but i hope you also understand that you voted to deny a minority group of citizens the same rights you have as granted by the state constitution, not a right granted by your church or religion. we've gotten to a point where there is a majority of the population that thinks it's alright to take away rights from another group. while we take two steps forward as a nation tonight, i feel we take a step backward as a state.

QFT

 

[kb8sandiego]

Originally Posted by krapjnad

Originally Posted by KB8sandiego

Originally Posted by krapjnad

Originally Posted by KB8sandiego

Originally Posted by krapjnad

Originally Posted by KB8sandiego

Originally Posted by krapjnad

Originally Posted by TBONE95860

Originally Posted by KB8sandiego

Originally Posted by DL2352

I seriously need to know from you Yes on Prop 8 voters... Do you guys seriously think it is okay for the majority to strip away fundamental rights from a group of minorities through the constitution just because you feel they shouldn't have that right due to your own personal values? I really need to know this.

What my values are ain't your problem. And no, you don't need to know. Why? So you can justify your values against ours? So you can judge us yet complain about why we voted yes? I can respect those that Vote No on 8. That's their values. I don't understand why you can't respect ours.

He does have some good points here

48% in
Yes = 53%
No = 47%

i have to disagree. i respect that he is entitled to an opinion, but i don't yet respect his opinion because he refuses to explain his reasoning. i think that's what dl2352 was asking for... an open dialogue about the fundamental reasons behind his vote. for what it's worth, i think you earn respect through logic and reasoning.

when i disagree with his stance on prop 8, we are having a discussion where at the end of the day, we can just decide that the other person is dumb. no big deal.

when he disagrees with prop 8, he is casting a vote where at the end of the day, people may be denied rights given to others solely based on their sexual orientation.

It doesn't get anymore black and white and clear and cut for me to say that I voted based on my values. Obviously, me voting yes should explain to you that I voted based on my faith.

What do you want me to say? That I hate homosexuals? Are you going to put words in my mouth? Are you going to accuse me of being a horrible person because I choose to vote on my OWN PERSONAL MORALS. Yet you're going to judge me based on your OWN PERSONAL MORALS because it doesn't agree with yours.

The hypocrisy is outrageous.

i can judge you, i can call you a horrible person, etc. but when you wake up tomorrow, you'll have the same rights as you did today. your judgments of other people go far beyond any harm i've cause you tonight by merely engaging in an online dispute over the matter.

at the hypocrisy.

so i guess we're done having an intelligent discussion?

The discussion has been over. I don't really understand why I need to go into detail as to why I voted yes. Obviously the majority of California voted yes. I guess the majority of California agrees with how I felt.

To tell you the truth, if it didn't pass I wouldn't be as judgemental as those who are no for 8. I'd just shrug my shoulders and say I guess it didn't pass.

EXACTLY. cause if 8 passed, you'd wake up tomorrow and your life would be unchanged.

now that 8 has passed, gays and lesbians are waking up tomorrow pissed as hell about having their rights taken away because the majority of california disagrees with their lifestyle. what a damn shame.

It is what it is. Right or wrong.

 

[chronos1296]

Originally Posted by KB8sandiego

Originally Posted by krapjnad

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by javier5857

Originally Posted by SoHi 23

To me Prop 8 is as black and white as it gets.

Take away rights to certain individuals vs. everyone is given equal treatment.


IMO it doesn't really matter if you think it is wrong, don't agree with it, whatever.
It's just not fair to take away rights.

Seriously, my mom dad & stepmom voted yes..there was no getting to them.

And the Yes rally is infuriating me even more, this doesnt even effect them, the $+$% is wrong with them.

I hate religion.

You know thats where the worlds laws came from right. Well God created rules and regulations IMO. You know humans cannot govern themselves right? You do know there is a God right? You do know people and this earth didn't pop up out of no where for no reason right?

And once again what are civil unions for? And I don't hate gays I just don't think they should be allowed to marry. Yes this world has screwed up a lot of things. Yes in America we have a high divorce rate. But we also have a high crime rate. Should laws against crimes be diminished because people don't fully fallow the laws?

those laws were designed to prevent and punish those that encroach on other people's lives. if someone steals something from me, that negatively affects my life, so there should be a law to prevent and punish. when 2 gay dudes get married, i don't see how it negatively affects anyone's life.

But no one's attacking you for feeling that way or voting for it. Yet you're attacking us for voting yes. So who's the one really being judgemental?

For some reason you think that you simply voted for one of two possible answers, when you don't seem to fully understand the implications of voting YES. There was a time not too long ago where Blacks couldn't take a piss next to a White person and when a majority of people would have gladly made it aconstitutional right that Whites would always be separated from blacks. Does that make it right just because they might believe that way? Would it make itany less ignorant and discriminatory if God instilled some value in you that said that was OK?! The bottom line is you are voting against a humans rightsissue and people have every right to question that act.

Only on NT could you have one thread that fights for the rights of animals yet takes away rights for humans...

 

[chronos1296]

Originally Posted by DL2352

at the end of the day, i really hope those that voted yes on 8 understand exactly what they did. you can view it as voting based on your values but i hope you also understand that you voted to deny a minority group of citizens the same rights you have as granted by the state constitution, not a right granted by your church or religion. we've gotten to a point where there is a majority of the population that thinks it's alright to take away rights from another group. while we take two steps forward as a nation tonight, i feel we take a step backward as a state.

Thank you. Way to ruin a great evening California... you really F'd this monumental day in history.

 

[papageorgeo510]

I voted yes on pro 8 thinking that it was in favor to the gay rights

. Ivoted via by mail and I didn't really think that this issue is that big because I don't have anything against gay people, thus this issue is the lastthing on my mind so i didn't realy read on it. I just think that there's a lot more bigger issues out there. Excuse my ignorance for not reading moreon this issue. However, if this passes it shows that we as human being still have a long way to go to see people as people or human as human, just like flowersand plants are just flowers and plants regards of their species.

 

[sohi 23]

Never mind, I guess I'll say some more...

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by krapjnad

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by javier5857

Originally Posted by SoHi 23

To me Prop 8 is as black and white as it gets.

Take away rights to certain individuals vs. everyone is given equal treatment.


IMO it doesn't really matter if you think it is wrong, don't agree with it, whatever.
It's just not fair to take away rights.

Seriously, my mom dad & stepmom voted yes..there was no getting to them.

And the Yes rally is infuriating me even more, this doesnt even effect them, the $+$% is wrong with them.

I hate religion.

You know thats where the worlds laws came from right. Well God created rules and regulations IMO. You know humans cannot govern themselves right? You do know there is a God right? You do know people and this earth didn't pop up out of no where for no reason right?

And once again what are civil unions for? And I don't hate gays I just don't think they should be allowed to marry. Yes this world has screwed up a lot of things. Yes in America we have a high divorce rate. But we also have a high crime rate. Should laws against crimes be diminished because people don't fully fallow the laws?

those laws were designed to prevent and punish those that encroach on other people's lives. if someone steals something from me, that negatively affects my life, so there should be a law to prevent and punish. when 2 gay dudes get married, i don't see how it negatively affects anyone's life.

My man have you seen OZ? Have you seen any documentaries about prison sex? Dudes taking other dudes manhood? So homosexuality doesn't negatively affect anyone? But as for gay marriage we have yet to see what it will do. It may bring more people to be gay. I want grandchildren through male/female sex. Can I get that if my son is with another man?

Now you're taking about views about homosexuality and not marriage.

The discussion has been over. I don't really understand why I need to go into detail as to why I voted yes. Obviously the majority of California voted yes. I guess the majority of California agrees with how I felt.

To tell you the truth, if it didn't pass I wouldn't be as judgemental as those who are no for 8. I'd just shrug my shoulders and say I guess it didn't pass.

Yeah people are getting butt hurt over our RIGHT to say we're against something. Gosh.

Ok fine.
I'm racist.
I'm against black people having the rights that I have as a white man.
I want an amendment that takes away rights from black people that the constitution gaurantees to everyone because it's what I believe in.

Now, what do you think about me?
Are you "butt hurt" over my opinion?

SoHi 23 wrote:

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To me Prop 8 is as black and white as it gets.

Take away rights to certain individuals vs. everyone is given equal treatment.


IMO it doesn't really matter if you think it is wrong, don't agree with it, whatever.
It's just not fair to take away rights.
Does this apply to prayer in some public places?


I saw that you made this arguement in another thread.
It is completely irrelevent.

As long as everyone is allowed to prayer at said public place I have no problem with it.
But do not give these people a right to prayer at this public place, and not these people.

 

[in the line for viis]

Disclaimer: I didn't vote yes or no on 8, i left it blank cuz I really couldn't pick a side. But I'll help out you Yes on 8's.

No on 8 people, do you agree with indecent exposure laws? There's a minority out there that wants to live life nude. Yet they can't, because if they goto school or go to work, they get arrested. Forget about a job. Forget about having a life in any place besides nude colonies. So you're saying if therewas a measure that legalized public nudity you'd vote for it? It doesn't affect you right? I mean, if you see a nude person, then you could just turnaway. If you work with a nude person then you don't have to work there. If there was a nude teacher at your child's school that would be okay right?

Then 20 years down the road, nudists are everywhere. What if all of a sudden your child said, "I want to be a nudist."

 

[fecta23]

For everybody who supports 8 imagine this hypothetical : For some reason our country becomes a muslim majority and they start trying to enforce laws based ontheir religion that you as christian don't agree with, but if passed you would have to follow. Would that be fair to you as a christian? No, probably not.That is exactly what you guys are doing, you are enforcing your religious beliefs on people, to put it simply you are discriminating against gays and wantingto give them less rights because of religion. This goes against everything our country was founded upon. And dont give me " but they can have a civilunion " because as great as that might be they will not be allowed to do what you can because they will not have the right. Voting yes on Prop 8 is as badas voting yes to a bill that would ban the marriage of black people.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Originally Posted by SoHi 23

I voted no on Prop 4.

I know too many girls who would rather go to the shadiest person in the world to get an abortion than go to a legit doctor and tell their parents.

hmmm i did not think about that. that actually does bring up a pretty good point

hmmmm

 

[kb8sandiego]

Originally Posted by Chronos1296

Originally Posted by KB8sandiego

Originally Posted by krapjnad

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by javier5857

Originally Posted by SoHi 23

To me Prop 8 is as black and white as it gets.

Take away rights to certain individuals vs. everyone is given equal treatment.


IMO it doesn't really matter if you think it is wrong, don't agree with it, whatever.
It's just not fair to take away rights.

Seriously, my mom dad & stepmom voted yes..there was no getting to them.

And the Yes rally is infuriating me even more, this doesnt even effect them, the $+$% is wrong with them.

I hate religion.

You know thats where the worlds laws came from right. Well God created rules and regulations IMO. You know humans cannot govern themselves right? You do know there is a God right? You do know people and this earth didn't pop up out of no where for no reason right?

And once again what are civil unions for? And I don't hate gays I just don't think they should be allowed to marry. Yes this world has screwed up a lot of things. Yes in America we have a high divorce rate. But we also have a high crime rate. Should laws against crimes be diminished because people don't fully fallow the laws?

those laws were designed to prevent and punish those that encroach on other people's lives. if someone steals something from me, that negatively affects my life, so there should be a law to prevent and punish. when 2 gay dudes get married, i don't see how it negatively affects anyone's life.

But no one's attacking you for feeling that way or voting for it. Yet you're attacking us for voting yes. So who's the one really being judgemental?

For some reason you think that you simply voted for one of two possible answers, when you don't seem to fully understand the implications of voting YES. There was a time not too long ago where Blacks couldn't take a piss next to a White person and when a majority of people would have gladly made it a constitutional right that Whites would always be separated from blacks. Does that make it right just because they might believe that way? Would it make it any less ignorant and discriminatory if God instilled some value in you that said that was OK?! The bottom line is you are voting against a humans rights issue and people have every right to question that act.

Only on NT could you have one thread that fights for the rights of animals yet takes away rights for humans...

You're beating a dead horse now.

I'm going to leave it as is. I have no problems with anyone especially those that Voted No on 8. I haven't attacked anyone. I merely exercised my vote.Which is my right. Just as those who voted No exercised their right.

But hey, if you want to talk up how superior your intelligence is in regards to reasoning with voting, then that's you. I'm done. Frankly nobodywhether they be no or yes, needs to explain their reason as to which way they voted.

 

[rexanglorum]

So I voted yes on 2, 5 and 11. I am appauled by factory farming conditions and while there is the danger of farms moving out of state, hopefully we caninfluence other States to follow suit so the flight of the farming industry will not be such a worry. I voted yes on 5 because when it comes to drugs, anythingthat scales back the drug war and prison-inustrial complex is great. Finally I went with yes on 11 because it would be great to break the grip of politicianswho sit in radically partisan, gerrymandered districts.

I voted no on everything else because yes would mean erosion of individuals rights or the state spending more money that it does not have.

 

[oh you mad]

Originally Posted by In The Line For VIIs

Disclaimer: I didn't vote yes or no on 8, i left it blank cuz I really couldn't pick a side. But I'll help out you Yes on 8's.

No on 8 people, do you agree with indecent exposure laws? There's a minority out there that wants to live life nude. Yet they can't, because if they go to school or go to work, they get arrested. Forget about a job. Forget about having a life in any place besides nude colonies. So you're saying if there was a measure that legalized public nudity you'd vote for it? It doesn't affect you right? I mean, if you see a nude person, then you could just turn away. If you work with a nude person then you don't have to look. If there was a nude teacher at your child's school that would be okay right?

Then 20 years down the road, nudists are everywhere. What if all of a sudden your child said, "I want to be a nudist."

Best comparison I've heard on NT..

 

[rko2004]

Originally Posted by SoHi 23


Never mind, I guess I'll say some more...

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by krapjnad

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by javier5857

Originally Posted by SoHi 23

To me Prop 8 is as black and white as it gets.

Take away rights to certain individuals vs. everyone is given equal treatment.


IMO it doesn't really matter if you think it is wrong, don't agree with it, whatever.
It's just not fair to take away rights.

Seriously, my mom dad & stepmom voted yes..there was no getting to them.

And the Yes rally is infuriating me even more, this doesnt even effect them, the $+$% is wrong with them.

I hate religion.

You know thats where the worlds laws came from right. Well God created rules and regulations IMO. You know humans cannot govern themselves right? You do know there is a God right? You do know people and this earth didn't pop up out of no where for no reason right?

And once again what are civil unions for? And I don't hate gays I just don't think they should be allowed to marry. Yes this world has screwed up a lot of things. Yes in America we have a high divorce rate. But we also have a high crime rate. Should laws against crimes be diminished because people don't fully fallow the laws?

those laws were designed to prevent and punish those that encroach on other people's lives. if someone steals something from me, that negatively affects my life, so there should be a law to prevent and punish. when 2 gay dudes get married, i don't see how it negatively affects anyone's life.

My man have you seen OZ? Have you seen any documentaries about prison sex? Dudes taking other dudes manhood? So homosexuality doesn't negatively affect anyone? But as for gay marriage we have yet to see what it will do. It may bring more people to be gay. I want grandchildren through male/female sex. Can I get that if my son is with another man?

Now you're taking about views about homosexuality and not marriage.

The discussion has been over. I don't really understand why I need to go into detail as to why I voted yes. Obviously the majority of California voted yes. I guess the majority of California agrees with how I felt.

To tell you the truth, if it didn't pass I wouldn't be as judgemental as those who are no for 8. I'd just shrug my shoulders and say I guess it didn't pass.

Yeah people are getting butt hurt over our RIGHT to say we're against something. Gosh.

Ok fine.
I'm racist.
I'm against black people having the rights that I have as a white man.
I want an amendment that takes away rights from black people that the constitution gaurantees to everyone because it's what I believe in.

Now, what do you think about me?
Are you "butt hurt" over my opinion?

SoHi 23 wrote:

---

To me Prop 8 is as black and white as it gets.

Take away rights to certain individuals vs. everyone is given equal treatment.


IMO it doesn't really matter if you think it is wrong, don't agree with it, whatever.
It's just not fair to take away rights.
Does this apply to prayer in some public places?


I saw that you made this arguement in another thread.
It is completely irrelevent.

As long as everyone is allowed to prayer at said public place I have no problem with it.
But do not give these people a right to prayer at this public place, and not these people.
Your cool.
No. White power my brother from another mother of a different skin color

Free will. Let whoever pray to whom they wish.

Originally Posted by In The Line For VIIs

Disclaimer: I didn't vote yes or no on 8, i left it blank cuz I really couldn't pick a side. But I'll help out you Yes on 8's.

No on 8 people, do you agree with indecent exposure laws? There's a minority out there that wants to live life nude. Yet they can't, because if they go to school or go to work, they get arrested. Forget about a job. Forget about having a life in any place besides nude colonies. So you're saying if there was a measure that legalized public nudity you'd vote for it? It doesn't affect you right? I mean, if you see a nude person, then you could just turn away. If you work with a nude person then you don't have to look. If there was a nude teacher at your child's school that would be okay right?

Then 20 years down the road, nudists are everywhere. What if all of a sudden your child said, "I want to be a nudist."

Best comparison I've heard on NT..
I second that motion.

 

[fecta23]

Originally Posted by Oh YoU MaD

Originally Posted by In The Line For VIIs

Disclaimer: I didn't vote yes or no on 8, i left it blank cuz I really couldn't pick a side. But I'll help out you Yes on 8's.

No on 8 people, do you agree with indecent exposure laws? There's a minority out there that wants to live life nude. Yet they can't, because if they go to school or go to work, they get arrested. Forget about a job. Forget about having a life in any place besides nude colonies. So you're saying if there was a measure that legalized public nudity you'd vote for it? It doesn't affect you right? I mean, if you see a nude person, then you could just turn away. If you work with a nude person then you don't have to look. If there was a nude teacher at your child's school that would be okay right?

Then 20 years down the road, nudists are everywhere. What if all of a sudden your child said, "I want to be a nudist."

Best comparison I've heard on NT..

This analogy is terrible, gay people dont choose to be gay, a gay guy for some reason just loves *@%$ and as gross as that is to me, it is not up to me tojudge them and take away their rights. Again terrible analogy.

 

[chronos1296]

Originally Posted by In The Line For VIIs

Disclaimer: I didn't vote yes or no on 8, i left it blank cuz I really couldn't pick a side. But I'll help out you Yes on 8's.

No on 8 people, do you agree with indecent exposure laws? There's a minority out there that wants to live life nude. Yet they can't, because if they go to school or go to work, they get arrested. Forget about a job. Forget about having a life in any place besides nude colonies. So you're saying if there was a measure that legalized public nudity you'd vote for it? It doesn't affect you right? I mean, if you see a nude person, then you could just turn away. If you work with a nude person then you don't have to look. If there was a nude teacher at your child's school that would be okay right?

Then 20 years down the road, nudists are everywhere. What if all of a sudden your child said, "I want to be a nudist."

You can't be serious

Bodily fluids and sexual harassment come to mind on why this is illegal...

 

[in the line for viis]

Originally Posted by Fecta23

gay people dont choose to be gay, a gay guy for some reason just loves *@%$ and as gross as that is to me, it is not up to me to judge them and take away their rights.

So you're saying gay people are born gay? Which is arguable. Umm, nudists were born...nude.

 

[krapjnad]

Originally Posted by KB8sandiego

Originally Posted by Chronos1296

Originally Posted by KB8sandiego

Originally Posted by krapjnad

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by javier5857

Originally Posted by SoHi 23

To me Prop 8 is as black and white as it gets.

Take away rights to certain individuals vs. everyone is given equal treatment.


IMO it doesn't really matter if you think it is wrong, don't agree with it, whatever.
It's just not fair to take away rights.

Seriously, my mom dad & stepmom voted yes..there was no getting to them.

And the Yes rally is infuriating me even more, this doesnt even effect them, the $+$% is wrong with them.

I hate religion.

You know thats where the worlds laws came from right. Well God created rules and regulations IMO. You know humans cannot govern themselves right? You do know there is a God right? You do know people and this earth didn't pop up out of no where for no reason right?

And once again what are civil unions for? And I don't hate gays I just don't think they should be allowed to marry. Yes this world has screwed up a lot of things. Yes in America we have a high divorce rate. But we also have a high crime rate. Should laws against crimes be diminished because people don't fully fallow the laws?

those laws were designed to prevent and punish those that encroach on other people's lives. if someone steals something from me, that negatively affects my life, so there should be a law to prevent and punish. when 2 gay dudes get married, i don't see how it negatively affects anyone's life.

But no one's attacking you for feeling that way or voting for it. Yet you're attacking us for voting yes. So who's the one really being judgemental?

For some reason you think that you simply voted for one of two possible answers, when you don't seem to fully understand the implications of voting YES. There was a time not too long ago where Blacks couldn't take a piss next to a White person and when a majority of people would have gladly made it a constitutional right that Whites would always be separated from blacks. Does that make it right just because they might believe that way? Would it make it any less ignorant and discriminatory if God instilled some value in you that said that was OK?! The bottom line is you are voting against a humans rights issue and people have every right to question that act.

Only on NT could you have one thread that fights for the rights of animals yet takes away rights for humans...

You're beating a dead horse now.

I'm going to leave it as is. I have no problems with anyone especially those that Voted No on 8. I haven't attacked anyone. I merely exercised my vote. Which is my right. Just as those who voted No exercised their right.

But hey, if you want to talk up how superior your intelligence is in regards to reasoning with voting, then that's you. I'm done. [color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Frankly nobody whether they be no or yes, needs to explain their reason as to which way they voted.[/color]

which is why the system is broken. marketing > logic

whoever does the best job selling their candidate/idea to the uneducated masses wins. this isn't a shot at you kb8sandiego, just a general comment offrustration on the current process.

 

[fecta23]

Originally Posted by In The Line For VIIs

Originally Posted by Fecta23

gay people dont choose to be gay, a gay guy for some reason just loves *@%$ and as gross as that is to me, it is not up to me to judge them and take away their rights.

So you're saying gay people are born gay? Which is arguable. Umm, nudists were born...nude.

the differenceis that NO ONE has the right to be nude in public so no one is being discriminated against.

 

[feelmode]

I gotta admit, with as happy with the country as i was earlier today with Obama's victory, I'm terribly saddened with what's happened in Californiawith Prop 8. Disgusted might be a more accurate word actually. Just when you think people as a whole are getting it together this happens and painfully makesit obvious that that isn't the case what so ever.

 

[sohi 23]

Originally Posted by Rexanglorum

So I voted yes on 2, 5 and 11. I am appauled by factory farming conditions and while there is the danger of farms moving out of state, hopefully we can influence other States to follow suit so the flight of the farming industry will not be such a worry. I voted yes on 5 because when it comes to drugs, anything that scales back the drug war and prison-inustrial complex is great. Finally I went with yes on 11 because it would be great to break the grip of politicians who sit in radically partisan, gerrymandered districts.

I voted no on everything else because yes would mean erosion of individuals rights or the state spending more money that it does not have.

I voted the exact same way except I voted yes for 1A.
It's just something that I really want to see.

It's kind of contradictory because I didn't vote for other props. because I though they weren't written well.
I feel like this railroad would pay for itself by time,
and that it's time to move and get the ball rolling to alternative forms of long distance transportation in the US.

and I'm not going to realy argue about 8 anymore.
What I believe in is what I believe in, what you believe in is what you believe in I guess.
I'm going to sleep.

 

[in the line for viis]

Originally Posted by Chronos1296

Originally Posted by In The Line For VIIs

Disclaimer: I didn't vote yes or no on 8, i left it blank cuz I really couldn't pick a side. But I'll help out you Yes on 8's.

No on 8 people, do you agree with indecent exposure laws? There's a minority out there that wants to live life nude. Yet they can't, because if they go to school or go to work, they get arrested. Forget about a job. Forget about having a life in any place besides nude colonies. So you're saying if there was a measure that legalized public nudity you'd vote for it? It doesn't affect you right? I mean, if you see a nude person, then you could just turn away. If you work with a nude person then you don't have to look. If there was a nude teacher at your child's school that would be okay right?

Then 20 years down the road, nudists are everywhere. What if all of a sudden your child said, "I want to be a nudist."

You can't be serious

Bodily fluids and sexual harassment come to mind on why this is illegal...

Okay fine. They wear clear clothes and there's a provision that they have to be clean.

 

[sohi 23]

Originally Posted by In The Line For VIIs

Disclaimer: I didn't vote yes or no on 8, i left it blank cuz I really couldn't pick a side. But I'll help out you Yes on 8's.

No on 8 people, do you agree with indecent exposure laws? There's a minority out there that wants to live life nude. Yet they can't, because if they go to school or go to work, they get arrested. Forget about a job. Forget about having a life in any place besides nude colonies. So you're saying if there was a measure that legalized public nudity you'd vote for it? It doesn't affect you right? I mean, if you see a nude person, then you could just turn away. If you work with a nude person then you don't have to look. If there was a nude teacher at your child's school that would be okay right?

Then 20 years down the road, nudists are everywhere. What if all of a sudden your child said, "I want to be a nudist."

That's sexual harrasment though.
That is specifically against the law.
Being gay is not.

 

[chronos1296]

Originally Posted by In The Line For VIIs

Originally Posted by Fecta23

gay people dont choose to be gay, a gay guy for some reason just loves *@%$ and as gross as that is to me, it is not up to me to judge them and take away their rights.

So you're saying gay people are born gay? Which is arguable. Umm, nudists were born...nude.

If a nude guy walked down the street and 'brushed' a woman, she would file a sexual harassment lawsuit in two seconds. If a gay couplewalks down the street and touches you, you would continue to walk and not thing twice... in fact you would probably apologize for getting in their way.

 

[rko2004]

Originally Posted by Fecta23

Originally Posted by Oh YoU MaD

Originally Posted by In The Line For VIIs

Disclaimer: I didn't vote yes or no on 8, i left it blank cuz I really couldn't pick a side. But I'll help out you Yes on 8's.

No on 8 people, do you agree with indecent exposure laws? There's a minority out there that wants to live life nude. Yet they can't, because if they go to school or go to work, they get arrested. Forget about a job. Forget about having a life in any place besides nude colonies. So you're saying if there was a measure that legalized public nudity you'd vote for it? It doesn't affect you right? I mean, if you see a nude person, then you could just turn away. If you work with a nude person then you don't have to look. If there was a nude teacher at your child's school that would be okay right?

Then 20 years down the road, nudists are everywhere. What if all of a sudden your child said, "I want to be a nudist."

Best comparison I've heard on NT..

This analogy is terrible, gay people dont choose to be gay, a gay guy for some reason just loves *@%$ and as gross as that is to me, it is not up to me to judge them and take away their rights. Again terrible analogy.

Says who? We were born nude. We have proof of that

. But Inever seen a baby come out ooooglling over the same sex.

That's sexual harrasment though.
That is specifically against the law.
Being gay is not.
I try my best (but fail many times) to live under Gods' law and too much of mans law.

If a nude guy walked down the street and 'brushed' a woman, she would file a sexual harassment lawsuit in two seconds. If a gay couple walks down the street and touches you, you would continue to walk and not thing twice... in fact you would probably apologize for getting in their way.

NO N O NO! Edit it and say if the gay couple 'brushed' as well. Touch could mean them bumping into his arm.