California Supreme Court UPHOLDS gay marriage ban.... but existing same-sex marriages to stand

[onhollowedground821]

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Let's say I have a PS3. I walk into Bestbuy to Pick up The Dark Knight. I see it available on BLURAY and DVD. My PS3 can play both formats, but ONLY BLURAY appeals to me. Its my choice to get it for BLURAY. Doesn't matter if I didn't find the DVD version interesting at all. I still had a CHOICE.

What in Gods name are you talking about? You're equating buying a DVD to sexuality? In that case you DID choose to like women at one point in your life??





Hahaha! dude the dvd or bluray thing had me rollin' because dude was thinking "yeh this is good!" when he hit post

 

[deuce king]

So you're comparing homosexuals to criminals and negligent mothers?
No I'm not, I'm comparing the viewpoint of being discriminated against in general. Would it help you dudes if I said a drug abuser cansay they are being discriminated against, what about a 13 year old child that wants to drive a car but can not be rewarded a driver licence because of theirage, they are being discriminated agaisnt too. Again, there has to be rules and structure in any setting, the issue or gay marriage is no different. Peoplein here are acting like the state of California voted to have gay people slaughtered, like gay people across the state are about to be executed by the massesor something. I strongly feel that marriage should be handled by the church and civil unions by the state.

 

[ericberry14]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

I strongly feel that marriage should be handled by the church and civil unions by the state.

then why are the people allowed to vote on who can get married & who cant?

 

[casperjr]

Originally Posted by swizzc

I will be against gay marriage until it is scientifically proven that homosexuality is not a choice. Then I will be for it. Just my beliefs.

this

and i really dont think gays should be allowed to adopt kids but thats for another day.........

 

[18key]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

So you're comparing homosexuals to criminals and negligent mothers?

No I'm not, I'm comparing the viewpoint of being discriminated against in general. Would it help you dudes if I said a drug abuser can say they are being discriminated against, what about a 13 year old child that wants to drive a car but can not be rewarded a driver licence because of their age, they are being discriminated agaisnt too. Again, there has to be rules and structure in any setting, the issue or gay marriage is no different. People in here are acting like the state of California voted to have gay people slaughtered, like gay people across the state are about to be executed by the masses or something. I strongly feel that marriage should be handled by the church and civil unions by the state.
No, we're acting like the state of California is discriminating, not slaughtering gay people.
YOU CANNOT COMPARE GAY MARRIAGE to something that is HARMFUL to a person or others. I dont care if you think homosexuality is wrong, or whatever... to say thatsomeone cant get married because of their attractions is straight up discriminatory.
Are you a minority? In any way? Race, age, religion, income level, ect? Anything?

 

[lobotomybeats]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

So you're comparing homosexuals to criminals and negligent mothers?

No I'm not, I'm comparing the viewpoint of being discriminated against in general. Would it help you dudes if I said a drug abuser can say they are being discriminated against, what about a 13 year old child that wants to drive a car but can not be rewarded a driver licence because of their age, they are being discriminated agaisnt too. Again, there has to be rules and structure in any setting, the issue or gay marriage is no different. People in here are acting like the state of California voted to have gay people slaughtered, like gay people across the state are about to be executed by the masses or something. I strongly feel that marriage should be handled by the church and civil unions by the state.

Once again, there are NO adverse effects to gay marriage. It doesn't nullify any previous existing heterosexual marriages. It doesn'tmean those marriages aren't as sacred (

). I think you canunderstand why a 13 year old driving or drug abuse is considered harmful.

 

[lobotomybeats]

Originally Posted by CasperJr

Originally Posted by swizzc

I will be against gay marriage until it is scientifically proven that homosexuality is not a choice. Then I will be for it. Just my beliefs.

this

and i really dont think gays should be allowed to adopt kids but thats for another day.........

yeah you should probably sit on that b.s. gem for a bit.

 

[nako xl]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

So you're comparing homosexuals to criminals and negligent mothers?

No I'm not, I'm comparing the viewpoint of being discriminated against in general. Would it help you dudes if I said a drug abuser can say they are being discriminated against, what about a 13 year old child that wants to drive a car but can not be rewarded a driver licence because of their age, they are being discriminated agaisnt too. Again, there has to be rules and structure in any setting, the issue or gay marriage is no different. People in here are acting like the state of California voted to have gay people slaughtered, like gay people across the state are about to be executed by the masses or something. I strongly feel that marriage should be handled by the church and civil unions by the state.
ok... so let's take interracial marriage as an example.

that was illegal in several states until 40 years ago. what's your stance there?

 

[DeadsetAce]

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by CasperJr

Originally Posted by swizzc

I will be against gay marriage until it is scientifically proven that homosexuality is not a choice. Then I will be for it. Just my beliefs.

this

and i really dont think gays should be allowed to adopt kids but thats for another day.........

yeah you should probably sit on that b.s. gem for a bit.

wow

 

[john ohh]

duerr wrote:

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Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Gay is a choice, not a birth defect, not a right. It is NOT the new black and I do NOT agree with it. That said, I don't hate or discriminate against gays, they do there thing that's fine with me. But forcing us to accept there "culture" is completely unjust and selfish. Do what you do in your own privacy.

Simple and well-said.

Amen sir. I feel like their community is forcing this upon us, I lived in Arizona my whole life, and California is my second home. I just feellike the California People and the state did a great job of upholding this. The GLBT community can have what they want, but in my terms, they should not beallowed to be married. Do they not understand the terms when they divorce? Marriage isn't all good.

 

[callhimar]

Originally Posted by John Ohh

duerr wrote:

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Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Gay is a choice, not a birth defect, not a right. It is NOT the new black and I do NOT agree with it. That said, I don't hate or discriminate against gays, they do there thing that's fine with me. But forcing us to accept there "culture" is completely unjust and selfish. Do what you do in your own privacy.

Simple and well-said.

Amen sir. I feel like their community is forcing this upon us, I lived in Arizona my whole life, and California is my second home. I just feel like the California People and the state did a great job of upholding this. The GLBT community can have what they want, but in my terms, they should not be allowed to be married. Do they not understand the terms when they divorce? Marriage isn't all good.



It makes no difference is marriage isn't "all good." It is a right that every citizen in this country should be granted no matter what theirsexual preference is.

It's either marriage through the state for all or civil unions through the state for all, but you can't have one group getting civil unions and onegetting marriage licenses, that is discriminatory.

 

[casperjr]

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by CasperJr

Originally Posted by swizzc

I will be against gay marriage until it is scientifically proven that homosexuality is not a choice. Then I will be for it. Just my beliefs.

this

and i really dont think gays should be allowed to adopt kids but thats for another day.........

yeah you should probably sit on that b.s. gem for a bit.

yea it has to be bs if you dont agree with it

 

[Jordan8]

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by Deuce King

So you're comparing homosexuals to criminals and negligent mothers?

No I'm not, I'm comparing the viewpoint of being discriminated against in general. Would it help you dudes if I said a drug abuser can say they are being discriminated against, what about a 13 year old child that wants to drive a car but can not be rewarded a driver licence because of their age, they are being discriminated agaisnt too. Again, there has to be rules and structure in any setting, the issue or gay marriage is no different. People in here are acting like the state of California voted to have gay people slaughtered, like gay people across the state are about to be executed by the masses or something. I strongly feel that marriage should be handled by the church and civil unions by the state.

Once again, there are NO adverse effects to gay marriage. It doesn't nullify any previous existing heterosexual marriages. It doesn't mean those marriages aren't as sacred (

). I think you can understand why a 13 year old driving or drug abuse is considered harmful.

Thats opinion.....If you have a club thats been had been given exclusive rights and rewards by the government and the clubs rules since day onewere only men and women who are in love can be in this club. The rules state that only straight couples can be in it but gay people want to be in the club forthe exclusive rights and rewards. Why cant the gay people start their own club and still recieve the rewards that the srtaight club recieve? Whats so difficultabout that?

 

[callhimar]

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by Deuce King

So you're comparing homosexuals to criminals and negligent mothers?

No I'm not, I'm comparing the viewpoint of being discriminated against in general. Would it help you dudes if I said a drug abuser can say they are being discriminated against, what about a 13 year old child that wants to drive a car but can not be rewarded a driver licence because of their age, they are being discriminated agaisnt too. Again, there has to be rules and structure in any setting, the issue or gay marriage is no different. People in here are acting like the state of California voted to have gay people slaughtered, like gay people across the state are about to be executed by the masses or something. I strongly feel that marriage should be handled by the church and civil unions by the state.

Once again, there are NO adverse effects to gay marriage. It doesn't nullify any previous existing heterosexual marriages. It doesn't mean those marriages aren't as sacred (

). I think you can understand why a 13 year old driving or drug abuse is considered harmful.

Thats opinion.....If you have a club thats been had been given exclusive rights and rewards by the government and the clubs rules since day one were only men and women who are in love can be in this club. The rules state that only straight couples can be in it but gay people want to be in the club for the exclusive rights and rewards. Why cant the gay people start their own club and still recieve the rewards that the srtaight club recieve? Whats so difficult about that?





Why not eliminate the original club since it is unconstitutional by origin in the first place and start a new club where both parties can join and call it the"Civil Union Club" and have everyone be happy? If people want to get married in a Church or wherever their religion permits, fine, but the officialdocumentation I receive from the state should be one of Civil Union, NOT marriage.

 

[john ohh]

CallHimAR wrote:

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Originally Posted by John Ohh

duerr wrote:

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Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Gay is a choice, not a birth defect, not a right. It is NOT the new black and I do NOT agree with it. That said, I don't hate or discriminate against gays, they do there thing that's fine with me. But forcing us to accept there "culture" is completely unjust and selfish. Do what you do in your own privacy.

Simple and well-said.

Amen sir. I feel like their community is forcing this upon us, I lived in Arizona my whole life, and California is my second home. I just feel like the California People and the state did a great job of upholding this. The GLBT community can have what they want, but in my terms, they should not be allowed to be married. Do they not understand the terms when they divorce? Marriage isn't all good.



It makes no difference is marriage isn't "all good." It is a right that every citizen in this country should be granted no matter what their sexual preference is.

It's either marriage through the state for all or civil unions through the state for all, but you can't have one group getting civil unions and one getting marriage licenses, that is discriminatory.



Discriminatory? Not at all. Gays had a choice of what they were getting into, they chose to be diffrent. African Americans or any other race hadno choice. That's Discrimination.

 

[micheal623]

 

[callhimar]

Originally Posted by John Ohh

CallHimAR wrote:

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Originally Posted by John Ohh

duerr wrote:

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Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Gay is a choice, not a birth defect, not a right. It is NOT the new black and I do NOT agree with it. That said, I don't hate or discriminate against gays, they do there thing that's fine with me. But forcing us to accept there "culture" is completely unjust and selfish. Do what you do in your own privacy.

Simple and well-said.

Amen sir. I feel like their community is forcing this upon us, I lived in Arizona my whole life, and California is my second home. I just feel like the California People and the state did a great job of upholding this. The GLBT community can have what they want, but in my terms, they should not be allowed to be married. Do they not understand the terms when they divorce? Marriage isn't all good.

It makes no difference is marriage isn't "all good." It is a right that every citizen in this country should be granted no matter what their sexual preference is.

It's either marriage through the state for all or civil unions through the state for all, but you can't have one group getting civil unions and one getting marriage licenses, that is discriminatory.



Discriminatory? Not at all. Gays had a choice of what they were getting into, they chose to be diffrent. African Americans or any other race had no choice. That's Discrimination.

So you woke up one morning and chose to like women? Correct? Just like you think homosexuals woke up one morning and chose to like their own sex?

 

[savonne]

CA is full of unconstitutional bias idiots...How can u tell someone who they can Marry or Spend the rest of there life with..

 

[emmanuel goldstein]

we are all animals ... every animals purpose on earth is to reproduce ... being gay is not normal ... marriage should be reserved for unions between men andwoman ...

gay couples can have all the rights they want under teh law as a married couple, but they shouldnt be allowed to get married ...


/thread

 

[18key]

Originally Posted by Emmanuel Goldstein

we are all animals ... every animals purpose on earth is to reproduce ... being gay is not normal ... marriage should be reserved for unions between men and woman ...

gay couples can have all the rights they want under teh law as a married couple, but they shouldnt be allowed to get married ...


/thread

Then whats the difference between marriage and them getting the same rights? Nothing but a word. Let them get married.

 

[john ohh]

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Originally Posted by John Ohh

CallHimAR wrote:

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Originally Posted by John Ohh

duerr wrote:

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Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Gay is a choice, not a birth defect, not a right. It is NOT the new black and I do NOT agree with it. That said, I don't hate or discriminate against gays, they do there thing that's fine with me. But forcing us to accept there "culture" is completely unjust and selfish. Do what you do in your own privacy.

Simple and well-said.

Amen sir. I feel like their community is forcing this upon us, I lived in Arizona my whole life, and California is my second home. I just feel like the California People and the state did a great job of upholding this. The GLBT community can have what they want, but in my terms, they should not be allowed to be married. Do they not understand the terms when they divorce? Marriage isn't all good.

It makes no difference is marriage isn't "all good." It is a right that every citizen in this country should be granted no matter what their sexual preference is.

It's either marriage through the state for all or civil unions through the state for all, but you can't have one group getting civil unions and one getting marriage licenses, that is discriminatory.

Discriminatory? Not at all. Gays had a choice of what they were getting into, they chose to be diffrent. African Americans or any other race had no choice. That's Discrimination.

So you woke up one morning and chose to like women? Correct? Just like you think homosexuals woke up one morning and chose to like their own sex?




Until it is proven that you can be born gay or transexual, then you have no valid backup on your statement.

 

[nako xl]

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by Deuce King

So you're comparing homosexuals to criminals and negligent mothers?

No I'm not, I'm comparing the viewpoint of being discriminated against in general. Would it help you dudes if I said a drug abuser can say they are being discriminated against, what about a 13 year old child that wants to drive a car but can not be rewarded a driver licence because of their age, they are being discriminated agaisnt too. Again, there has to be rules and structure in any setting, the issue or gay marriage is no different. People in here are acting like the state of California voted to have gay people slaughtered, like gay people across the state are about to be executed by the masses or something. I strongly feel that marriage should be handled by the church and civil unions by the state.

Once again, there are NO adverse effects to gay marriage. It doesn't nullify any previous existing heterosexual marriages. It doesn't mean those marriages aren't as sacred (

). I think you can understand why a 13 year old driving or drug abuse is considered harmful.

Thats opinion.....If you have a club thats been had been given exclusive rights and rewards by the government and the clubs rules since day one were only men and women who are in love can be in this club. The rules state that only straight couples can be in it but gay people want to be in the club for the exclusive rights and rewards. Why cant the gay people start their own club and still recieve the rewards that the srtaight club recieve? Whats so difficult about that?


the point is those rights and benefits aren't universal.

Originally Posted by John Ohh

CallHimAR wrote:

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Originally Posted by John Ohh

duerr wrote:

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Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Gay is a choice, not a birth defect, not a right. It is NOT the new black and I do NOT agree with it. That said, I don't hate or discriminate against gays, they do there thing that's fine with me. But forcing us to accept there "culture" is completely unjust and selfish. Do what you do in your own privacy.

Simple and well-said.

Amen sir. I feel like their community is forcing this upon us, I lived in Arizona my whole life, and California is my second home. I just feel like the California People and the state did a great job of upholding this. The GLBT community can have what they want, but in my terms, they should not be allowed to be married. Do they not understand the terms when they divorce? Marriage isn't all good.

It makes no difference is marriage isn't "all good." It is a right that every citizen in this country should be granted no matter what their sexual preference is.

It's either marriage through the state for all or civil unions through the state for all, but you can't have one group getting civil unions and one getting marriage licenses, that is discriminatory.



Discriminatory? Not at all. Gays had a choice of what they were getting into, they chose to be diffrent. African Americans or any other race had no choice. That's Discrimination.

A. No it is not a choice.

B. Who cares if it IS a conscious decision. Denying people those rights based on that decision is still discrimination. I think the problem is you guys aremissing the point and issue at hand.

C. It's not a choice.

and CallHimAR marriage isn't really a consitutional issue. which is why marriagelaws can vary from state to state (even city to city)

 

[callhimar]

Originally Posted by John Ohh

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Originally Posted by John Ohh

CallHimAR wrote:

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Originally Posted by John Ohh

duerr wrote:

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Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Gay is a choice, not a birth defect, not a right. It is NOT the new black and I do NOT agree with it. That said, I don't hate or discriminate against gays, they do there thing that's fine with me. But forcing us to accept there "culture" is completely unjust and selfish. Do what you do in your own privacy.

Simple and well-said.

Amen sir. I feel like their community is forcing this upon us, I lived in Arizona my whole life, and California is my second home. I just feel like the California People and the state did a great job of upholding this. The GLBT community can have what they want, but in my terms, they should not be allowed to be married. Do they not understand the terms when they divorce? Marriage isn't all good.

It makes no difference is marriage isn't "all good." It is a right that every citizen in this country should be granted no matter what their sexual preference is.

It's either marriage through the state for all or civil unions through the state for all, but you can't have one group getting civil unions and one getting marriage licenses, that is discriminatory.

Discriminatory? Not at all. Gays had a choice of what they were getting into, they chose to be diffrent. African Americans or any other race had no choice. That's Discrimination.

So you woke up one morning and chose to like women? Correct? Just like you think homosexuals woke up one morning and chose to like their own sex?




Until it is proven that you can be born gay or transexual, then you have no valid backup on your statement.


But isn't what I just asked you proof enough for the time being? Clearly, by avoiding the question, you know that you never chose to likewomen. Why would it be any different for a homosexual then? Are they a different species?

 

[john ohh]

Originally Posted by Nako XL

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by Deuce King

So you're comparing homosexuals to criminals and negligent mothers?

No I'm not, I'm comparing the viewpoint of being discriminated against in general. Would it help you dudes if I said a drug abuser can say they are being discriminated against, what about a 13 year old child that wants to drive a car but can not be rewarded a driver licence because of their age, they are being discriminated agaisnt too. Again, there has to be rules and structure in any setting, the issue or gay marriage is no different. People in here are acting like the state of California voted to have gay people slaughtered, like gay people across the state are about to be executed by the masses or something. I strongly feel that marriage should be handled by the church and civil unions by the state.

Once again, there are NO adverse effects to gay marriage. It doesn't nullify any previous existing heterosexual marriages. It doesn't mean those marriages aren't as sacred (

). I think you can understand why a 13 year old driving or drug abuse is considered harmful.

Thats opinion.....If you have a club thats been had been given exclusive rights and rewards by the government and the clubs rules since day one were only men and women who are in love can be in this club. The rules state that only straight couples can be in it but gay people want to be in the club for the exclusive rights and rewards. Why cant the gay people start their own club and still recieve the rewards that the srtaight club recieve? Whats so difficult about that?

the point is those rights and benefits aren't universal.

Originally Posted by John Ohh

CallHimAR wrote:

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Originally Posted by John Ohh

duerr wrote:

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Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Gay is a choice, not a birth defect, not a right. It is NOT the new black and I do NOT agree with it. That said, I don't hate or discriminate against gays, they do there thing that's fine with me. But forcing us to accept there "culture" is completely unjust and selfish. Do what you do in your own privacy.

Simple and well-said.

Amen sir. I feel like their community is forcing this upon us, I lived in Arizona my whole life, and California is my second home. I just feel like the California People and the state did a great job of upholding this. The GLBT community can have what they want, but in my terms, they should not be allowed to be married. Do they not understand the terms when they divorce? Marriage isn't all good.

It makes no difference is marriage isn't "all good." It is a right that every citizen in this country should be granted no matter what their sexual preference is.

It's either marriage through the state for all or civil unions through the state for all, but you can't have one group getting civil unions and one getting marriage licenses, that is discriminatory.



Discriminatory? Not at all. Gays had a choice of what they were getting into, they chose to be diffrent. African Americans or any other race had no choice. That's Discrimination.

A. No it is not a choice.

B. Who cares if it IS a conscious decision. Denying people those rights based on that decision is still discrimination. I think the problem is you guys are missing the point and issue at hand.

C. It's not a choice.



Care to tell me how it is not a choice? Ohh wait you can not because their is no proof.

 

[bad n fluenz]

What pisses me off the most, As a American you'd think that with having a African American President he'd understand a lot more with discrimination,something like this should've hit home with the rights of people who are seen as second class, perhaps even worse because we are losing our rights left andright. I wonder what's next? Gays banned from becoming parents in all 50 states?!?!?!? Oh wait that's already real.

President Obama needs to man up and see this ain't right and step in and rid of discrimination all together! So that no group no matter what make up theyare they CAN NOT be discriminated against.

I'd like to think he was real when he said "Time for a Change" WELL MR PRESIDENT WHERE ARE THE DAMN CHANGES!!!! So far you've been too busyenjoying the spotlight.