California Supreme Court UPHOLDS gay marriage ban.... but existing same-sex marriages to stand

[DeadsetAce]

for you to choose, you have to be attracted to both sexes, right? and you make a decision based on what pleases you more?

so that would mean straight people are attracted to both sexes, and choose the opposite sex...


that doesnt sound right to me...

 

[lazyj10]

You're missing my point.

Simply put, as it stands right now, homosexuality is "scientifically" a preference (like you've overtly stated in your own way). However,couldn't science overturn this by later proving a gene trait that leads to that preference?

Then isn't the question posed, is it a preference, then?

I don't get into the whole comparing homosexuality to being of a different skin color than your peers. I do however think that it is not as simple as justdismissing the hardships gays/lesbians go through because they may not be as harsh as what African Americans, Irish immigrants, and countless others have gonethrough in their respective days.

 

[jetpacunlimited]

Originally Posted by DeadsetAce

for you to choose, you have to be attracted to both sexes, right? and you make a decision based on what pleases you more?

so that would mean straight people are attracted to both sexes, and choose the opposite sex...


that doesnt sound right to me...

Ace your losing me.

Let's say I have a PS3. I walk into Bestbuy to Pick up The Dark Knight. I see it available on BLURAY and DVD. My PS3 can play both formats, but ONLY BLURAYappeals to me. Its my choice to get it for BLURAY. Doesn't matter if I didn't find the DVD version interesting at all. I still had a CHOICE.

 

[deuce king]

Some people in this thread act like they want to live in a society without rules and regulations, where any and everybody can just do whatever they want to do. Is that the case??

 

[DeadsetAce]

Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Originally Posted by DeadsetAce

for you to choose, you have to be attracted to both sexes, right? and you make a decision based on what pleases you more?

so that would mean straight people are attracted to both sexes, and choose the opposite sex...


that doesnt sound right to me...

Ace your losing me.

Let's say I have a PS3. I walk into Bestbuy to Pick up The Dark Knight. I see it available on BLURAY and DVD. My PS3 can play both formats, but ONLY BLURAY appeals to me. Its my choice to get it for BLURAY. Doesn't matter if I didn't find the DVD version interesting at all. I still had a CHOICE.

my bad. aite i see what you're saying. let me try myversion again:

so there's physical attraction and physical behavior. you can choose your behavior, but you cant choose what youre attracted to. so i guess, what makes youhomosexual, your behavior or what sex you're attracted to? i would think it's what sex you're attracted to, which i dont think you can choose. inever really chose to be attracted to women, i just am. i never really thought to myself, which sex should so get me sprung today. it's always beenfemales.

 

[DeadsetAce]

and just to add to the debate a bit...


say you have someone who is attracted to their own sex, but chooses to sleep and sexually interact with the opposite sex. is that person gay or straight?

 

[lobotomybeats]

Originally Posted by DeadsetAce

and just to add to the debate a bit...


say you have someone who is attracted to their own sex, but chooses to sleep and sexually interact with the opposite sex. is that person gay or straight?

That means they are straight according to Jetpacunlimited.

Guilt someone into not acting on their natural instincts and youhave successfully made someone straight again. Seriously, I would be ashamed if I knew someone that carried such ridiculous ideas and logic on their sleeves. Those kinds of moronic sentiments should be kept in the privacy of your homes.

 

[lobotomybeats]

Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Originally Posted by LazyJ10

Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Scientists have not been able to conclude that there is any gene or combination of genes that will make someone gay.

So whose to say they won't...what if they do? You still wouldn't change your tune, and you know it. You'd simply dismiss it as being a scientific anomaly and continue to believe whatever it is that you do.

It wouldn't come as a surprise if from years from now its determined that there is a genetic mutation. Sadly, by that time, the law still wouldn't have caught up.

I'll give you an example, earlier in this thread I stated I don't care what you preference is so long as you do what you do in your privacy. Guess what? Some dude tried to make that as if I was telling homosexuals to hide there feelings in pubilc... Wow...

Example: Im a straight guy, I love to do freaky things to my girl. YET it is inapropriate for me to do those things in the public eye, so we do them in our own privacy.

are gays marching to F in the street? Is this a newmovement I haven't heard of?

 

[jetpacunlimited]

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Originally Posted by LazyJ10

Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Scientists have not been able to conclude that there is any gene or combination of genes that will make someone gay.

So whose to say they won't...what if they do? You still wouldn't change your tune, and you know it. You'd simply dismiss it as being a scientific anomaly and continue to believe whatever it is that you do.

It wouldn't come as a surprise if from years from now its determined that there is a genetic mutation. Sadly, by that time, the law still wouldn't have caught up.

I'll give you an example, earlier in this thread I stated I don't care what you preference is so long as you do what you do in your privacy. Guess what? Some dude tried to make that as if I was telling homosexuals to hide there feelings in pubilc... Wow...

Example: Im a straight guy, I love to do freaky things to my girl. YET it is inapropriate for me to do those things in the public eye, so we do them in our own privacy.

are gays marching to F in the street? Is this a new movement I haven't heard of?




What are you talking about dude? Your trying to hard.

 

[swizzc]

I will be against gay marriage until it is scientifically proven that homosexuality is not a choice. Then I will be for it. Just my beliefs.

 

[sn00pee]

Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited


What are you talking about dude? Your trying to hard.

this is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[lamarownsem]

Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Originally Posted by DeadsetAce

for you to choose, you have to be attracted to both sexes, right? and you make a decision based on what pleases you more?

so that would mean straight people are attracted to both sexes, and choose the opposite sex...


that doesnt sound right to me...

Ace your losing me.

Let's say I have a PS3. I walk into Bestbuy to Pick up The Dark Knight. I see it available on BLURAY and DVD. My PS3 can play both formats, but ONLY BLURAY appeals to me. Its my choice to get it for BLURAY. Doesn't matter if I didn't find the DVD version interesting at all. I still had a CHOICE.

So you CHOSE what you LIKE MORE. You could have chosen to buy it on DVD, but it wouldn't feel right because you like Bluray more.

If someone is naturally attracted to the same sex, they could choose to act naturally and be involved with the same sex, or they could choose not to actnaturally and be involved with the opposite sex. However, who they are attracted to is NOT the choice being made. The only choice being made is deciding toact based on what feels natural.

 

[lobotomybeats]

Originally Posted by sn00pee

Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited


What are you talking about dude? Your trying to hard.

this is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

yo that is a slap in the face of black kettles everywhere. Don't compare pot-uality to the struggles of the kettle-folk.

 

[bad n fluenz]

It's not the just the COT DANG FACT THAT GAYS HAVE LOST THE RIGHT TO MARRY IN CALIFORNIA, it's the damn fact that SOMETHING THAT PROMOTESDISCRIMINATION is allowed to determine how certain people can have rights and others can not! A lot of you may see this as a protection to marriage to why itwas won, others may have seen it as a sad day for homosexual marriages. I see it much more deeper than that. If such a thing like this can come up to vote, Imean str8 up denying of people of rights, then ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. If such a vote like "Lets put the ++$$!%* and lady ++$$!%* in concentrationcamps" What if something like that comes up for a vote? The fact they allow people to vote on banning gay marriage is something that is going to involve adownward spiral towards other people, God knows what's next for our country, after the gays who is next to be held down? People of faith? People of acertain Eye/Skin/Hair/Handicapp/etc? who knows but I don't want to find out and I am sure others who figured the whole thing out are worried also. The factthat I can get married or not should not be up for vote by the public, BY ANYONE FOR THE MATTER OF FACT. It's my choice, it's something I choose to do,it's not your right it's not something you have to choose, but unfortunetly you can choose whether or not gays can get married or not. Keep it up keeptaking away a groups rights, sooner or later yours will be gone too!

 

[18key]

at some of you in here.











No, wait, that was supposed to be:

at some of you in here.

 

[pdouly33]

Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Dirtylicious wrote:

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There are numerous theories about the origins of a person's sexual orientation. Most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and biological factors. In most people, sexual orientation is shaped at an early age. There is also considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality.

hmm

biology
genetic factors
hormonal factors


oh...and regarding your statement that you keep quoting...
so b/c they have not been able to come up with conclusive evidence you take that to mean that it PROVES it's a choice?
logically..that doesn't fly.

...you can't claim something is not proven with the absence of proof.

THANK YOU. Therefore you cannot "claim" to be born with it. It doesn't work. But you can say with 100% FACT that you are CHOOSING to be homosexual, and that will never be disputed. Which ultimately proves my point.
no...it doesn't...not by a longshot


Dirty, I was about to post the same sort of reply, but you did it for me, so I'll just quote yours.

I never claimed to have proof that it was something people were born with genetically. I simply said that evidence suggests otherwise in reference to yourclaim that it is 100% a choice. The evidence clearly suggests that we do not know how people come to be homosexuals, and that multiple factors are likelyinvolved. There isn't anything clear-cut either way.

You're clearly oversimplifying the argument by saying that because we haven't found any proof that it is genetic, then it must be a choice. Ifyou're going to continue with that blatant fallacy then there is no point in continuing this debate.

The etiology of homosexuality has yielded no substantial support for either side of the debate; that much is indisputable. However, the fundamental flaw inthis debate is to assume that there are sides, as if it's such a simple thing. To say that it must either be a choice or a genetic trait, with no room forsome sort of nuanced answer, is intellectually dishonest and disrespectful to the gay and lesbian population.

 

[deuce king]

People need to stop with this whole "discrimination charge". Is that's the case, convicted criminals in jail can say they are beingdiscriminated against, so can the mother that had her child taken away from her due to negligence, she can say she's being discriminated against too. Whether you all want to believe it or not, we live in a society with rules and regulations, even Niketalk has rules and regulations, certain acts you can andCAN NOT do on this very message board. Why on earth do you think the real world wouldn't be the same. If everybody can just do whatever they wanted to dowe wouldn't need a judicial system or even police for that matter. There has to be some sort of structure in all cases.

 

[callhimar]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

People need to stop with this whole "discrimination charge". Is that's the case, convicted criminals in jail can say they are being discriminated against, so can the mother that had her child taken away from her due to negligence, she can say she's being discriminated against too. Whether you all want to believe it or not, we live in a society with rules and regulations, even Niketalk has rules and regulations, certain acts you can and CAN NOT do on this very message board. Why on earth do you think the real world wouldn't be the same. If everybody can just do whatever they wanted to do we wouldn't need a judicial system or even police for that matter. There has to be some sort of structure in all cases.

So you're comparing homosexuals to criminals and negligent mothers?

 

[lobotomybeats]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

People need to stop with this whole "discrimination charge". Is that's the case, convicted criminals in jail can say they are being discriminated against, so can the mother that had her child taken away from her due to negligence, she can say she's being discriminated against too. Whether you all want to believe it or not, we live in a society with rules and regulations, even Niketalk has rules and regulations, certain acts you can and CAN NOT do on this very message board. Why on earth do you think the real world wouldn't be the same. If everybody can just do whatever they wanted to do we wouldn't need a judicial system or even police for that matter. There has to be some sort of structure in all cases.

there is a huge difference in reprimanding someone for doing something that is harmful and keeping someone from doing something that has NO effect on anyoneelse.

 

[18key]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

People need to stop with this whole "discrimination charge". Is that's the case, convicted criminals in jail can say they are being discriminated against, so can the mother that had her child taken away from her due to negligence, she can say she's being discriminated against too. Whether you all want to believe it or not, we live in a society with rules and regulations, even Niketalk has rules and regulations, certain acts you can and CAN NOT do on this very message board. Why on earth do you think the real world wouldn't be the same. If everybody can just do whatever they wanted to do we wouldn't need a judicial system or even police for that matter. There has to be some sort of structure in all cases.

Tell me how in God's green earth you compared committing crimes, neglecting children, and monitoring a message board to gay people gettingmarried. Please.

 

[nako xl]

Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

Originally Posted by DeadsetAce

for you to choose, you have to be attracted to both sexes, right? and you make a decision based on what pleases you more?

so that would mean straight people are attracted to both sexes, and choose the opposite sex...


that doesnt sound right to me...

Ace your losing me.

Let's say I have a PS3. I walk into Bestbuy to Pick up The Dark Knight. I see it available on BLURAY and DVD. My PS3 can play both formats, but ONLY BLURAY appeals to me. Its my choice to get it for BLURAY. Doesn't matter if I didn't find the DVD version interesting at all. I still had a CHOICE.

it's astounding how stupid you sound...

 

[dacityslanga]

Originally Posted by 18key

Originally Posted by Deuce King

People need to stop with this whole "discrimination charge". Is that's the case, convicted criminals in jail can say they are being discriminated against, so can the mother that had her child taken away from her due to negligence, she can say she's being discriminated against too. Whether you all want to believe it or not, we live in a society with rules and regulations, even Niketalk has rules and regulations, certain acts you can and CAN NOT do on this very message board. Why on earth do you think the real world wouldn't be the same. If everybody can just do whatever they wanted to do we wouldn't need a judicial system or even police for that matter. There has to be some sort of structure in all cases.

Tell me how in God's green earth you compared committing crimes, neglecting children, and monitoring a message board to gay people getting married. Please.

 

[DeadsetAce]

Originally Posted by DaCitySlanga

Originally Posted by 18key

Originally Posted by Deuce King

People need to stop with this whole "discrimination charge". Is that's the case, convicted criminals in jail can say they are being discriminated against, so can the mother that had her child taken away from her due to negligence, she can say she's being discriminated against too. Whether you all want to believe it or not, we live in a society with rules and regulations, even Niketalk has rules and regulations, certain acts you can and CAN NOT do on this very message board. Why on earth do you think the real world wouldn't be the same. If everybody can just do whatever they wanted to do we wouldn't need a judicial system or even police for that matter. There has to be some sort of structure in all cases.

Tell me how in God's green earth you compared committing crimes, neglecting children, and monitoring a message board to gay people getting married. Please.

 

[callhimar]

Let's say I have a PS3. I walk into Bestbuy to Pick up The Dark Knight. I see it available on BLURAY and DVD. My PS3 can play both formats, but ONLY BLURAY appeals to me. Its my choice to get it for BLURAY. Doesn't matter if I didn't find the DVD version interesting at all. I still had a CHOICE.

What in Gods name are you talking about? You're equating buying a DVD to sexuality? In that case you DID choose to like women at one point in your life??

 

[onhollowedground821]

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Let's say I have a PS3. I walk into Bestbuy to Pick up The Dark Knight. I see it available on BLURAY and DVD. My PS3 can play both formats, but ONLY BLURAY appeals to me. Its my choice to get it for BLURAY. Doesn't matter if I didn't find the DVD version interesting at all. I still had a CHOICE.

What in Gods name are you talking about? You're equating buying a DVD to sexuality? In that case you DID choose to like women at one point in your life??





Hahaha! dude the dvd or bluray thing had me rollin' because dude was thinking "yeh this is good!" when he hit post