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he is nice but im not sure about this one but he did have cats rockin pink...lol
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Cam's better than PUN and AZ?
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I feel like a lot of you are just naming rappers you THINK deserve to be above Cam. Really? Kool G rap? ghost? Kilah priest?! mega def isnt better and EPMD is a group smart guy all of which cam is better than individually- hell as a group too.
You cant recite any lyrics from these rappers from their last 2-3 albums off the top of your head and i gaurantee it. Cam started the swagger movement as previously stated and doesn't even get the respect he deserves. Maino stole the "hi hater" thing from Cam too(see boy boy off purple haze), Cam's slang, way he dresses is way more influential than some of these guys you're mentioning. Dudes is straight up just mentioning old rappers to make themselves seem more well versed on hip hop knowing damn well they dont listen to them. I'm surprised i didnt hear grand master flash or Kool Moe Dee over cam too.
listen to him he speaks truth
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Cam is a good rapper...
thats it...
thats it...
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if youre younger than 25, ill forgive you. but if notOriginally Posted by eNPHAN
SPEAK OF THE DEVIL
GURU IN SOMEONES TOP TEN?!?!???!
i remember why i stopped posting in this forum...
dog, your top ten is atrocious...and you started your post criticizing other people's lists....
nas THEN pac?
LOL
big daddy kane AND guru? BWHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Big L never even released an album.... (i don't count post-death albums)
fall back, "mass appeal" > you. "smooth operator" > you. I don't think dude was asking top 10 in album releases either.
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Big L never even released an album.... (i don't count post-death albums)
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listen to him he speaks truth
You serious? He speaks very suspect nonsense.
Talking about swagger, Cam's slang, the way he dresses being "influential".
So Hip Hop is a fashion show now? That's what we judge MC's on? And WHAT exactly about Cam was so influential? Just because he had a couple of thousandjokers running around the city swagger jacking him doesn't make him "influential".
I won't argue Ghost or Mega because maybe that's a toss up. But I'd still take Ghost and Mega. But to argue that word for word, bar for bar, Kool GRap is not nicer than Cam is a joke. You obviously don't listen to these cats. Take it from people who have/do. Cam ain't !$!$+$+ with them. Pun, Kane,Jay, G Rap, Rakim, Chuck D, KRS, BIG, Slick Rick, Em. Flow, lyrical content/quality subject matter, rhyme structure, storytelling.
Cam is actually just above average when you think about it. You could argue that cats like Fab, Jada, Banks at times, Ghost, AZ, Mega etc. are on the samelevel. So Top 10? Hell no.
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^Co-sign everything illphil said (except for saying that Ghost and Mega are on the same level, I can't get with that).
And Nako, yes. He's got 2-3 good records, a handful of outstanding mixtapes, and a great group disc. That hardly separates him from the pack in rap, I canname, well, 10 other cats with those credentials.
The difference is solely in Cam's appeal, and Cam's appeal is based entirely on his charisma. Yes, he's a good rapper with a way with words. But soare a lot of other dudes, and this thread is evidence that lyrical dexterity isn't what a lot of cats are looking for.
And I spun the Public Enemy tape walking back from class today, so check the hater card at the door.
And Nako, yes. He's got 2-3 good records, a handful of outstanding mixtapes, and a great group disc. That hardly separates him from the pack in rap, I canname, well, 10 other cats with those credentials.
The difference is solely in Cam's appeal, and Cam's appeal is based entirely on his charisma. Yes, he's a good rapper with a way with words. But soare a lot of other dudes, and this thread is evidence that lyrical dexterity isn't what a lot of cats are looking for.
And I spun the Public Enemy tape walking back from class today, so check the hater card at the door.
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I feel like a lot of you are just naming rappers you THINK deserve to be above Cam. Really? Kool G rap? ghost? Kilah priest?! mega def isnt better and EPMD is a group smart guy all of which cam is better than individually- hell as a group too.
You cant recite any lyrics from these rappers from their last 2-3 albums off the top of your head and i gaurantee it. Cam started the swagger movement as previously stated and doesn't even get the respect he deserves. Maino stole the "hi hater" thing from Cam too(see boy boy off purple haze), Cam's slang, way he dresses is way more influential than some of these guys you're mentioning. Dudes is straight up just mentioning old rappers to make themselves seem more well versed on hip hop knowing damn well they dont listen to them. I'm surprised i didnt hear grand master flash or Kool Moe Dee over cam too.
Cam is better than Kool G. Rap now? Word? You know how stupid you sound right now, trying to tell people the way Cam dresses is more influentialthan the likes of G Rap? Your opinion is void for uttering that dumb +@$+.
vs.
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^^^ go back to talking about lil fame's looks in that other thread
big daddy kane
big daddy kane
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i'm the biggest cam fan i know and youre on crack for this
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^You get molested by someone over 30? Give it a rest.
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i thought the $+!@@ was dead...Originally Posted by eNPHAN
how many tracks is on this?
and it's still not good enough for top 10 consideration...imo
he died too quick.
Big L was that dude tho....don't get the %#%@ twisted like bambo with no trees in it...
Like 12-13 tracks.
Cam was on there. Jay-Z too.....Lord Finesse, McGruff. Came out in like '95 I believe
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Like someone said ya'll are just putting in people ya'll think should be in there. Can someone honestly tell me the last time they bump Kool G rap? Ibet it was around the time he had that Pharoe Monch joint. Cam is in my top 10 but i can understand why he wouldnt be in yours but how can yall not sayhe's greaT? and when we use the swag category its not just how he dress it's his charisma over the mic. I take it like this Cam is like JFK he may notspeak(rap) as good as his counterpart(Nixon, Jay-z) but his presence over the mic is what fuels his audience.
But this goes back to the dethroning legend thread. Just cause Dr J was dunking first doesn't mean Vince Carter can't be better than him
But this goes back to the dethroning legend thread. Just cause Dr J was dunking first doesn't mean Vince Carter can't be better than him
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I take it like this Cam is like JFK he may not speak(rap) as good as his counterpart(Nixon, Jay-z) but his presence over the mic is what fuels his audience.
Did you really just do that?
Dear God, no.
And I bumped 4,5,6 last week.
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Ehhhh...I don't see how you can say that he never released an album before he died, then turn right around and say that neither of his two albums weregood. I mean, Poor and Dangerous came out a good 4 years before L got rocked, so I would assume a fan would know that it came out before he died. So, It soundslike you never heard it. I may be wrong, but something ain't adding up. I mean,, how can you not know this came out before he died?
And if Big L came out today, spitting punch after punch, his career would be somewhere along the lines of Papoose.
If BDK came out today, he would pop more than L, cause he's more versatile than L was. Not saying he would be on some Jay-Z *%%@, but he would def pop morethan L would.
And I agree on Guru, I never sthought he was anything special on the mic
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w000www kids trying to play BDK .....
warm it up kane
vs bottom of the *@%!* hole
cam makes anthems and ignorant %@@# to laugh at ...
people are overlooking bdk vs his contemporaries .. there is no cam without bdk ... there is def no jay w/o him
him, rakim, and rick advanced the complexity of rap ...y'all are trying to act like tracks like bdk-raw are some beastie boys run dmc isht ....
warm it up kane
cam makes anthems and ignorant %@@# to laugh at ...
people are overlooking bdk vs his contemporaries .. there is no cam without bdk ... there is def no jay w/o him
him, rakim, and rick advanced the complexity of rap ...y'all are trying to act like tracks like bdk-raw are some beastie boys run dmc isht ....
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"that chain a hundred thousand, that i gave to Katt Williams."
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illphillip wrote:
anDown Goes Frasier wrote:
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and you're not too smart are you, but back to the original discussion.
kool g rap, nas, mobb deep, az, jay-z, biggie, raekwon, rakim, big pun, ghostface killah
not forgetting cormega, EPMD, killah priest
I feel like a lot of you are just naming rappers you THINK deserve to be above Cam. Really? Kool G rap? ghost? Kilah priest?! mega def isnt better and EPMD is a group smart guy all of which cam is better than individually- hell as a group too.
You cant recite any lyrics from these rappers from their last 2-3 albums off the top of your head and i gaurantee it. Cam started the swagger movement as previously stated and doesn't even get the respect he deserves. Maino stole the "hi hater" thing from Cam too(see boy boy off purple haze), Cam's slang, way he dresses is way more influential than some of these guys you're mentioning. Dudes is straight up just mentioning old rappers to make themselves seem more well versed on hip hop knowing damn well they dont listen to them. I'm surprised i didnt hear grand master flash or Kool Moe Dee over cam too.
listen to him he speaks truth
You serious? He speaks very suspect nonsense.
Talking about swagger, Cam's slang, the way he dresses being "influential".
So Hip Hop is a fashion show now? That's what we judge MC's on? And WHAT exactly about Cam was so influential? Just because he had a couple of thousand jokers running around the city swagger jacking him doesn't make him "influential".
I won't argue Ghost or Mega because maybe that's a toss up. But I'd still take Ghost and Mega. But to argue that word for word, bar for bar, Kool G Rap is not nicer than Cam is a joke. You obviously don't listen to these cats. Take it from people who have/do. Cam ain't !$!$+$+ with them. Pun, Kane, Jay, G Rap, Rakim, Chuck D, KRS, BIG, Slick Rick, Em. Flow, lyrical content/quality subject matter, rhyme structure, storytelling.
Cam is actually just above average when you think about it. You could argue that cats like Fab, Jada, Banks at times, Ghost, AZ, Mega etc. are on the same level. So Top 10? Hell no.
thats what hip hop was/is a fashion show.�when is started thats what it was all about getting fresh and and rhyming. not all this wannagangsta stuff, couple of thousand... really??? the city was spit in half between DIPSET and G-Unit @ the time, and everyone who was fly dressed like DIPSET andif you were not or tried to be you wore a g-unit bro aka man bra
�� And I bumped 4,5,6 last week.
and I bumped 357 this morning
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hell no, this fool is weak, id be embarrased to own a cd of his or anybody he flows wit
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EVERBODY just stop and look at the cats your debating.
1 Dude didn't even know Big L had an album which CAMRON himself appeared on. The same guy can't name a Big Daddy Kane song.
Another dude his proclaiming Cam's swag as a basis for his top 10 legitimacy and in the same sentence sh-- on Kool G Rap.
Its obvious cats aren't knowledgeable on hip-hop enough to give a valid argument. How can it be that Cam is a top 10 greatest rapper without a TOP 10ALBUM, what Cam album is up there with Illmatic, The Infamous, Ready Or Die, Low End Theory & etc??
1 Dude didn't even know Big L had an album which CAMRON himself appeared on. The same guy can't name a Big Daddy Kane song.
Another dude his proclaiming Cam's swag as a basis for his top 10 legitimacy and in the same sentence sh-- on Kool G Rap.
Its obvious cats aren't knowledgeable on hip-hop enough to give a valid argument. How can it be that Cam is a top 10 greatest rapper without a TOP 10ALBUM, what Cam album is up there with Illmatic, The Infamous, Ready Or Die, Low End Theory & etc??
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and you're not too smart are you, but back to the original discussion.
kool g rap, nas, mobb deep, az, jay-z, biggie, raekwon, rakim, big pun, ghostface killah
not forgetting cormega, EPMD, killah priest
I feel like a lot of you are just naming rappers you THINK deserve to be above Cam. Really? Kool G rap? ghost? Kilah priest?! mega def isnt better and EPMD is a group smart guy all of which cam is better than individually- hell as a group too.
You cant recite any lyrics from these rappers from their last 2-3 albums off the top of your head and i gaurantee it. Cam started the swagger movement as previously stated and doesn't even get the respect he deserves. Maino stole the "hi hater" thing from Cam too(see boy boy off purple haze), Cam's slang, way he dresses is way more influential than some of these guys you're mentioning. Dudes is straight up just mentioning old rappers to make themselves seem more well versed on hip hop knowing damn well they dont listen to them. I'm surprised i didnt hear grand master flash or Kool Moe Dee over cam too.
my comment is what dude above me said
"Its obvious cats aren't knowledgeable on hip-hop enough to give a valid argument. How can it be that Cam is a top 10 greatest rapper without a TOP 10ALBUM, what Cam album is up there with Illmatic, The Infamous, Ready Or Die, Low End Theory & etc??"
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WOW!
Now there's an age requirement to listen to BDK?
Now there's an age requirement to listen to BDK?
