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Champions League knockout stage draw
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*!+# we have to play this team again
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Visca, Visca Barceloooooonaaa
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mess is on track to be the greatest
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Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl
If we're going by World Cups, then I guess Messi isn't better than Cannavaro, Romario and Mario Kempes either.He needs to win a World Cup to get to the very elite: Pele, Maradona, Zidane and maybe Beckenbauer, but someone winning the World Cup isn't automatically better than someone who hasn't won a World Cup, disregarding the details.
Ronaldo was a very, very EFFICIENT striker, but Messi is both efficient and does things with the ball that drop your jaw.
no that is not what i meant, this is not a "ring" argument, all i'm saying he hasn't done much for argentina on the world stage.........qualification, past tourneys, etc. you can blame Maradonna all you want but if you're great you're great. (Zidane and Dominech?)
don't get me wrong Messi is the best player in the world right now but all i;m saying is that he hasn't done anything for argentina yet, although he was very good during his youth rank but Saviola was just as good during their youth time on the national squad.
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i personally think the world cup is overrated
UCL is way more competitive
UCL is way more competitive
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Messi is great. i cant believe how easy he make it look
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^^^^^ they weren't talking about that Ronaldo dude
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I'm telling you guys...I've been telling my boys for the last 5 years...Messi has what it takes to go down as the greatest EVER.
EVER.
If he can keep this up for another 5-years or so then he may be considered the best hands down. He's already accomplished everything at the club level (this is his 3rd time going to the UCL semis and he's only 22)...he just needs international success to cement himself amongst Pele and Maradona.
We are witnessing a very very special player.
EVER.
If he can keep this up for another 5-years or so then he may be considered the best hands down. He's already accomplished everything at the club level (this is his 3rd time going to the UCL semis and he's only 22)...he just needs international success to cement himself amongst Pele and Maradona.
We are witnessing a very very special player.
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BTW, I honestly believe it's insulting to say that C. Ronaldo or Rooney are on Messi's level. They aren't. You even take away Messi's insane goal tally and he's still better players than them thanks to his game changing ability, vision, technical skill and awareness. He always knows who is around him and his decision making is amazing. I think that anyone who plays the sport can learn a lot just by watching him play...just watch how many times a match he'll turn his neck and look around him before calling for a pass...just look at him directing his team mates before Barca make an attacking run.
Edit: And to the "Messi must perform well in this WC to go down as a great player"...I suggest you chill just a little bit. Messi is only 22...Ronaldo, Zidane, Maradona all won the WC at the tender age of 26. Messi hasn't even hit his prime yet.
Edit: And to the "Messi must perform well in this WC to go down as a great player"...I suggest you chill just a little bit. Messi is only 22...Ronaldo, Zidane, Maradona all won the WC at the tender age of 26. Messi hasn't even hit his prime yet.
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What do we call him if he obliterates the competition and wins the world cup? Best ever? Surely the best of this generation.
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Messi is a product of Barca's system. He's a great player, but the system makes him look even better. They are a well-oiled machine and their youth system is second to none.
He didn't even need to break a sweat for any of his goals today.
He didn't even need to break a sweat for any of his goals today.
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But being part of a well oiled machine shouldn't be a knock on him. You take advantage of the situation you are put in and make the best of it.
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It wont be easy for Messi to obliterate the competition for several reasons. Argentina's national team aren't as good as Barca. Messi may be used in a different role. Each opponent will try to physically prevent Messi from inflicting any damage on them. Messi will be heavily marked by each opponent. What we may end up seeing happen is Messi being used as a 'decoy' by Maradona. Maybe he gets used in the middle of the pitch in hopes that 3-4 defenders gravitate to him each time he touches the ball which opens up space for the rest of his team mates. It's not that easy to dominate at the WC...maybe only a few guys have done it in history...the last to do it was Ronaldo in 2002 and before that it was Maradona in 1986. So if Messi can dominate, then he will join some very elite company. Personally I'm going to keep expectations low because to dominate in this sport is extremely difficult. However, this is a team game and Messi may have to adjust to a different role in the WC in order to achieve the team's goals.
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Yeah...because the Barca system is the reason he dominated the 2005 U-20 WC and helped him win the 2008 Olympic gold.
Dudes nit-picking just for the sake of nit-picking.
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Messi a product of barca's system? LMFAO Lets be real dude is an awesome talent. He did kill in the under 20 but lets not act like that team didnt have talent too. I feel like alot of people who just watch the game for stats and not what is done off the ball feel that one person can just win a game for you. Im sorry but futbol isnt played that way.
I wouldnt go as far as ronaldo isnt as good as messi however. They have both failed to show me true leadership. Portugal is now in their golden era where they have decent talent to make a run at the WC. Argentina is not as good as they use to be and to me they lack leadership just like portugal. These two young starts will have to step up for me to consider them elite. In the euros in portugal to me Ronaldo choked esp on that opportunity in the final vs greece. messi showed class in the u20 but lets be real, its the u20 not the euro cup or WC. (which to me are of higher talent/competiton). lets see what goes on this summer. If maradonna shows some good tactics and Ronaldo actually has a decent forward to work with(Almeida Eh/ Liedson even worse), these guys can step up. Putting them in the category of pele/zidane/ronaldo/romario etc etc is just stupid.
I wouldnt go as far as ronaldo isnt as good as messi however. They have both failed to show me true leadership. Portugal is now in their golden era where they have decent talent to make a run at the WC. Argentina is not as good as they use to be and to me they lack leadership just like portugal. These two young starts will have to step up for me to consider them elite. In the euros in portugal to me Ronaldo choked esp on that opportunity in the final vs greece. messi showed class in the u20 but lets be real, its the u20 not the euro cup or WC. (which to me are of higher talent/competiton). lets see what goes on this summer. If maradonna shows some good tactics and Ronaldo actually has a decent forward to work with(Almeida Eh/ Liedson even worse), these guys can step up. Putting them in the category of pele/zidane/ronaldo/romario etc etc is just stupid.
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I would have liked to see messi pass it up for his 4th goal. There were some shakey moments in our defense today. Overal we played alright at best. We could do way better.
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i totally agree he's the best right now but while you tell others to chill, you should chill as well that he will reach Pele/Mardonnas level if he continues for another 5+ years, anything could happen. O Fenomeno could've been the greatest if it wasn't for injuries......................i'm just saying
like you said lets just expect less and appreciate the magician while he plays out his career, he can very well surpass Maradonna but lets just wait.
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in the pace that he is on, he will be the best ever.
people are over blowing his international career.
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in the pace that he is on, he will be the best ever.
people are over blowing his international career.
no they're not. international play is what really what set you apart from the rest but he's only 22.
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wttm, what exactly did I say wrong? I said IF Messi keeps this up for 5+ years then he'll be considered amongst the greatest ever. What's wrong with saying that? It's a fact...if he continues playing at this level for an extended period of time then why wouldnt he be amongst the best?
We are all very familiar with Ronaldo and despite his injuries, he will still go down as an all time great. Unfortunately for him though, injuries robbed him of the chance of perhaps being considered the GOAT.
Messi will have to win a WC to perhaps be considered the GOAT. To me he is already an all time great but for him to be compared to Pele and Maradona he will have to win the WC and continue to play at this level for another 5+ years. I understand the criticism of Messi's international career but he's only 22 and still has a lot of time to silence the critics.
We are all very familiar with Ronaldo and despite his injuries, he will still go down as an all time great. Unfortunately for him though, injuries robbed him of the chance of perhaps being considered the GOAT.
Messi will have to win a WC to perhaps be considered the GOAT. To me he is already an all time great but for him to be compared to Pele and Maradona he will have to win the WC and continue to play at this level for another 5+ years. I understand the criticism of Messi's international career but he's only 22 and still has a lot of time to silence the critics.
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Well we just got beat today, I'm not upset. The heart Arsenal showed in this tie was amazing from Almunia keeping us in the game during the first half back at the Emirates to Cesc finishing off the comeback and staying on the pitch when he was CLEARLY hurt this team didnt give up. They have really grown and truly believe they can win any game.
The CL was fun this year hopefully we can take it next year...now lets take the EPL title!
Go Gunners!
The CL was fun this year hopefully we can take it next year...now lets take the EPL title!
Go Gunners!
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Messi is unbelivable, simply the best player in the world hands down.
For the first 20 minutes we played really well, moved the ball nicely, passed nicely, had pretty good defense, after our goal...gone. I wish we could have been able to see both teams at full strength head to head. Injuries really sour'd the draw. I think Song was definitely the 1 person that made the biggest difference being out for us. Silvestre didn't do too bad back there actually, Wenger needs to keep playing him instead of Sol, he can actually run. We showed heart for 20 minutes, we just stopped caring and stopped doing what we did before. I am proud of the performance they put out there though, I think Sagna played pretty well today. God knows if Diaby put that through pass to Walcott instead of behind Bendtner...could've been up 2-0.
Oh well...hope we can go even further next year and hopefully focus 100% now on the EPL and hope Chelsea and Utd drop points in their final few games. Word is we finalized the deal with Chamakh and rumor is we might get Rodellega from Wigan, we need to strengthen our squad big time and come back next year even harder.
Good CL run, Gunners.
For the first 20 minutes we played really well, moved the ball nicely, passed nicely, had pretty good defense, after our goal...gone. I wish we could have been able to see both teams at full strength head to head. Injuries really sour'd the draw. I think Song was definitely the 1 person that made the biggest difference being out for us. Silvestre didn't do too bad back there actually, Wenger needs to keep playing him instead of Sol, he can actually run. We showed heart for 20 minutes, we just stopped caring and stopped doing what we did before. I am proud of the performance they put out there though, I think Sagna played pretty well today. God knows if Diaby put that through pass to Walcott instead of behind Bendtner...could've been up 2-0.
Oh well...hope we can go even further next year and hopefully focus 100% now on the EPL and hope Chelsea and Utd drop points in their final few games. Word is we finalized the deal with Chamakh and rumor is we might get Rodellega from Wigan, we need to strengthen our squad big time and come back next year even harder.
Good CL run, Gunners.
