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[hand2handking]

Explain what passive racism is?

passive racism, otherwise known as microaggressions, are acts that are negatively directed towards POC based on a racist or prejudiced mindset

these can be words or code words

also events which can be made to seem misinterpretable or "innocent" are prime ground for passive racism

interactions in which a white seeks to assert dominance or privilege in a nonconfrontational manner

ex. a white person intentionally cutting in line in front of a black person

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Why do you think so many people have a hard time in seeing passive racism?

 

[JPS]

I like the topic of passive racism. Good job brining it back to meaningful discussion H2K!

There is so much engrained racism that's not quite as obvious to eyes who don't look for it

 

[Proposition Joe]

Why do you think so many people have a hard time in seeing passive racism?

Is this troll mode or are you genuinely asking

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Is this troll mode or are you genuinely asking

I am tbrowing him lobs because many folks in this thread have NO clue what it is and it is usually right in their faces

 

[hand2handking]

Why do you think so many people have a hard time in seeing passive racism?

because it is not supposed to be seen or even felt a lot of times

it is like a privilege within white privlege

i also think a lot of people actively want to believe in racism being deemed only overt, tangible events and only that

pasive racism is not easily deciphered and "easily" dissuasive so rather than "reach" people would blind themselves to it

i think its an admission of how pervasive white supremacy is

how its so suffocating that people will rather drown in it than swim to the surface of it

 

[JPS]

because it is not supposed to be seen or even felt a lot of times

it is like a privilege within white privlege

i also think a lot of people actively want to believe in racism being deemed only overt, tangible events and only that

pasive racism is not easily deciphered and "easily" dissuasive so rather than "reach" people would blind themselves to it

i think its an admission of how pervasive white supremacy is

how its so suffocating that people will rather drown in it than swim to the surface of it

It's woven within the fabric of our every day loves as Americans

 

[jjs07]

Is there racism in sports? OF COURSE.


However, as the point was, there is nothing that suggests that the man flipping off Westbrook had racially motivated intentions. THAT was the point that people were trying to make when H2HK was making his usual false equivalency claims.


You guys are going off on tangents that have literally nothing to do with the incident from last night.

how to grandstand

step 1 make abroad general statement no one will disagree with that sounds profound and bold

step 2 make a minor criticism into a major one

step 3 make relevant the fact that others agree with you

step 4 conclude criticism in absolute terms and definitions

step 5 accuse anyone willing to contine of collaborating to dissaude further discussion

step 6 continue to move the goal posts

step 7 continue with false equivalency claims

step 8 make baseless assumptions to support narrative

 

[hand2handking]

 

step 6 continue to move the goal posts

step 7 continue with false equivalency claims

step 8 make baseless assumptions to support narrative

my original statement was the hypocrisy of the nba "offending" fans that act like that towards (black) players

the goalpost was moved but not by me

yall shifted it to "but the fan wasnt racist!"

as if that somehow disproves the hypocrisy of the nba in my original statement

or addresses the contradiction in the nba statement of "togetherness"

now its "false equivalency" and "baseless assumptions" 

empty words with no basis and false accusations

 

[Barbados Slim]

 
because it is not supposed to be seen or even felt a lot of times

it is like a privilege within white privlege

i also think a lot of people actively want to believe in racism being deemed only overt, tangible events and only that

pasive racism is not easily deciphered and "easily" dissuasive so rather than "reach" people would blind themselves to it

i think its an admission of how pervasive white supremacy is

how its so suffocating that people will rather drown in it than swim to the surface of it

Interesting.

In my opinion,  people see acts of "passive racism" as people doing regular *** hole type stuff that white people do to each other. Take your cutting in line example. If a white person cut me in line, I don't automatically think racism. I think that person is a ahole and I address them as such. A POC could also cut me in line and I would think the same thing. 

All the examples you listed are things everyone does to each other intentional or not which makes it hard to see any type of racial motives.

 

[JPS]

How about

The use of dash American?

 

[daddy style]

passive racism, otherwise known as microaggressions, are acts that are negatively directed towards POC based on a racist or prejudiced mindset

these can be words or code words

also events which can be made to seem misinterpretable or "innocent" are prime ground for passive racism

interactions in which a white seeks to assert dominance or privilege in a nonconfrontational manner

ex. a white person intentionally cutting in line in front of a black person

The subtle nudge of white privilege, one that allows the one with privilege to claim victimhood if confronted. This is northern racism in a nutshell, great post. Fantastic.

 

[hand2handking]

 

 
because it is not supposed to be seen or even felt a lot of times

it is like a privilege within white privlege

i also think a lot of people actively want to believe in racism being deemed only overt, tangible events and only that

pasive racism is not easily deciphered and "easily" dissuasive so rather than "reach" people would blind themselves to it

i think its an admission of how pervasive white supremacy is

how its so suffocating that people will rather drown in it than swim to the surface of it

Interesting.

In my opinion,  people see acts of "passive racism" as people doing regular *** hole type stuff that white people do to each other. Take your cutting in line example. If a white person cut me in line, I don't automatically think racism. I think that person is a ahole and I address them as such. A POC could also cut me in line and I would think the same thing. 

All the examples you listed are things everyone does to each other intentional or not which makes it hard to see any type of racial motives.

its because racism is so normative that you equate it to "regular ******* stuff"

like a white person may cut in front you and think nothing of it, you being white a person, and its just that "regular "******* stuff"

that same white person may cut in front a black person and think, "im white, im not waiting behind a black person", making it racist

it may come as instinct 

 

[hennessy]

ex. a white person intentionally cutting in line in front of a black person

I think I get it now. This is racist because blacks have been oppressed by whites in history. So if I cut you in line, in my mind I'm just selfish/in a hurry/another reason. But to an outside observer, it's racist because you can't prove otherwise. It COULD have nothing to do with that, but this is the inherent nature of things now? Correct? Even if I had another reason, that's passive racism and inexcusable.

So if it is the other way around... A black person intentionally cutting in line in front a white person. This happens to me a lot actually, I never say anything. But if I did say something, like, "excuse me I was here first." would I be acting racist? They could not be cutting just because I'm white, could they? They probably have a good reason, that's why I never say anything. That or they are clearly drunk so I'm just like whatever. Because this happens almost exclusively at the liquor store near me where people sit in there and play lottery and drink all day at the counter and always cut me in line

I just think it's really interesting whites are never given benefit of the doubt by blacks based on your reasoning. I understand your jaded (justifiably) mindset now that you have explained.So I'm interested to hear what you have to say when the scenario is flipped (my white fragility curiosity has gotten the best of me!). Your mindset creates a great deal of tension. Your reasoning is based on historical accounts of how white people have treated black people on a macro level (race vs. race). I understand your hate and distrust for white people based on history. History is to be learned from and you have reason to feel the way you do. You may have, I'm sure you have, even experienced these same inherent instances of prejudice and racism in your own life. Yet, your reasoning is dangerous when you abruptly dismiss the variables surrounding individual events and include this event in your umbrella of inherent prejudice and racism. If you continue to think like this, no one of any color will take you seriously or want to interact with you.

I just feel you have a blacks vs whites POV on nearly everything. You have already written white people off. That's fine. But this is really the same hateful, antiquated thinking that oppressed your own people for so many years.

I don't rock with you because you say white people need to fix this issue on their own, it's their problem. Yet, we can't fix something if we aren't allowed the chance first. You strip circumstances away from events so that you can group them with other racist/predjudiced acts. Now you're right. We can't prove 100% of the time the white person wasn't being racist in a microtransgression, so they may have been racially induced. But you ARE allowed to say 100% of the time that it is racist? It doesn't make sense to me. I know that it doesn't make sense because of my white fragility though, I will just never understand. Right?

Would you prefer white people to walk on eggshells around you or to not interact with you at all? I treat all my friends the same. Black, white, whatever. I'd think that you'd want to be treated the same instead of me being OD sensitive to you. If I knew you in real life I'd be afraid to breathe around you. You would tell me that's priviledged to breath the air in your house or some crazy ****. It's just wild you are very extreme and set in your thinking.

 

[hand2handking]

the philadelphia sixers words of "meaningless protest" and "symbolic gestures to action" are imo just prefaced carmelo's "im past gestures"

him saying that is what gives people like this team what they think is license to backhandedly denigrate the cause

 

[Proposition Joe]

the philadelphia sixers words of "meaningless protest" and "symbolic gestures to action" are imo just prefaced carmelo's "im past gestures"

him saying that is what gives people like this team what they think is license to backhandedly denigrate the cause

Yep, Carmelo saying stuff like that has a very strong effect that most don't realize

 

[hand2handking]

 

ex. a white person intentionally cutting in line in front of a black person

I think I get it now. This is racist because blacks have been oppressed by whites in history. So if I cut you in line, in my mind I'm just selfish/in a hurry/another reason. But to an outside observer, it's racist because you can't prove otherwise. It COULD have nothing to do with that, but this is the inherent nature of things now? Correct? Even if I had another reason, that's passive racism and inexcusable.

So if it is the other way around... A black person intentionally cutting in line in front a white person. This happens to me a lot actually, I never say anything. But if I did say something, like, "excuse me I was here first." would I be acting racist? They could not be cutting just because I'm white, could they? They probably have a good reason, that's why I never say anything. That or they are clearly drunk so I'm just like whatever. Because this happens almost exclusively at the liquor store near me where people sit in there and play lottery and drink all day at the counter and always cut me in line

I just think it's really interesting whites are never given benefit of the doubt by blacks based on your reasoning. I understand your jaded (justifiably) mindset now that you have explained.So I'm interested to hear what you have to say when the scenario is flipped. Your mindset creates a great deal of tension. Your reasoning is based on historical accounts of how white people have treated black people on a macro level (race vs. race). I understand your hate and distrust for white people based on history. History is to be learned from and you have reason to feel the way you do. You may have, I'm sure you have, even experienced these same inherent instances of prejudice and racism in your own life. Yet, your reasoning is dangerous when you abruptly dismiss the variables surrounding individual events and include this event in your umbrella of inherent prejudice and racism. If you continue to think like this, no one of any color will take you seriously or want to interact with you.

I just feel you have a blacks vs whites POV on nearly everything. You have already written white people off. That's fine. But this is really the same hateful, antiquated thinking that oppressed your own people for so many years.

I don't rock with you because you say white people need to fix this issue on their own, it's their problem. Yet, we can't fix something if we aren't allowed the chance first. You strip circumstances away from events so that you can group them with other racist/predjudiced acts. Now you're right. We can't prove 100% of the time the white person wasn't being racist in a microtransgression, so they may have been racially induced. But you ARE allowed to say 100% of the time that it is racist? It doesn't make sense to me. I know that it doesn't make sense because of my white fragility though, I will just never understand. Right?

i think youre really starting to understand

black can be prejudiced and look at you like "just a white boy" and cut in front of you

but thats not racist and is not informed by a a society of black supremacism

white people arent given the benefit of the doubt because quite simply they dont deserve it

at every step white people have fought to keep black people as second class or no citizen at all

from slavery to jim crow to segregation to civil rights to today

 

[Barbados Slim]

 
its because racism is so normative that you equate it to "regular ******* stuff"

like a white person may cut in front you and think nothing of it, you being white a person, and its just that "regular "******* stuff"

that same white person may cut in front a black person and think, "im white, im not waiting behind a black person", making it racist

it may come as instinct 

Since it could be one or the other, then you don't know for a fact they're being racist correct?

Edit: Never mind H2HK. I see where you're coming from with your response above mine.

 

[hand2handking]

Since it could be one or the other, then you don't know for a fact they're being racist correct?

i err on the side of something being racist and  being PROVEN wrong than giving the benefit of the doubt and letting racism SLIDE

 

[jjs07]

 

step 6 continue to move the goal posts


step 7 continue with false equivalency claims


step 8 make baseless assumptions to support narrative

my original statement was the hypocrisy of the nba "offending" fans that act like that towards (black) players

the goalpost was moved but not by me

yall shifted it to "but the fan wasnt racist!"

as if that somehow disproves the hypocrisy of the nba in my original statement

or addresses the contradiction in the nba statement of "togetherness"

now its "false equivalency" and "baseless assumptions" 

empty words with no basis and false accusations

No, guy. Let me refresh your memory. THIS was your original statement:

and then this happened at the game

Which literally has NOTHING to do with the 76ers putting the kibosh on the girl singing the anthem. You were reaching, trying to correlate the two.

If you want to start a topic about racism in sports, go for it. There are plenty of instances to discuss. However, without context, OR knowing anything about the guy giving the finger other than what he did last night, you have nothing to go on.

 

[hennessy]

 

step 6 continue to move the goal posts


step 7 continue with false equivalency claims


step 8 make baseless assumptions to support narrative

my original statement was the hypocrisy of the nba "offending" fans that act like that towards (black) players

the goalpost was moved but not by me

yall shifted it to "but the fan wasnt racist!"

as if that somehow disproves the hypocrisy of the nba in my original statement

or addresses the contradiction in the nba statement of "togetherness"

now its "false equivalency" and "baseless assumptions" 

empty words with no basis and false accusations

No, guy. Let me refresh your memory. THIS was your original statement:

and then this happened at the game

Which literally has NOTHING to do with the 76ers putting the kibosh on the girl singing the anthem. You were reaching, trying to correlate the two.

If you want to start a topic about racism in sports, go for it. There are plenty of instances to discuss. However, without context, OR knowing anything about the guy giving the finger other than what he did last night, you have nothing to go on.

Are you... giving the white guy the benefit of the doubt?!

 

[hand2handking]

Which literally has NOTHING to do with the 76ers putting the kibosh on the girl singing the anthem. You were reaching, trying to correlate the two.

If you want to start a topic about racism in sports, go for it. There are plenty of instances to discuss. However, without context, OR knowing anything about the guy giving the finger other than what he did last night, you have nothing to go on.

except for that fact that you are conveniently ignoring how the justification for the "kibosh" was the sensibilities of the fragile nba fan

the same fragile nba fan that has no problem flipping off a black player

that was my point and to shift to whether or not he was racist is moving the goalpost

it doesnt matter whether the fan was in fact racist or not the point is the nba will defend its white fans that act like that

there is a correlation an ironic correlation

in macro, its white feelings of shame/guilt vs white privilege and status quo 

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Where is the proof that the fan was taken out of the arena?

Westbrook did what he did, but if it were ME and I am THAT important to the league, "I am not playing another play until dude is escorted out. Or maybe Billy the Kid should have said that

 

[chadleroy]

Its kind of hard not to feel like that there was a racist undertone to what that fan did. These aren't exactly isolated instances.

 

[EddieDoyers]

Where is the proof that the fan was taken out of the arena?

Westbrook did what he did, but if it were ME and I am THAT important to the league, "I am not playing another play until dude is escorted out. Or maybe Billy the Kid should have said that

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ppropriate-gesture-directed-russell-westbrook