Dave Chappelle Netflix Specials

[RustyShackleford]

like i said you don't need to snitch. (i think you should but I don't think you have to)
if they say they have gender dysphoria, or they say they think they are trans. i don't think you are obligated to tell anyone.

just don't socially transition them.
that way you won't need to lie or snitch about anything.

So you want teachers to just tell kids no

That's it?

Social transition is not about changing your name, and pronouns, but your gender expression. Your hair, the way you dress, doing things like using the other bathroom. It is a serious thing. It is a universal change in behavior. For someone to truly do this, it would hard for a parent to miss. For it to be successful, even in a school setting, tons of people have to comply beyond one teacher.

But because I am most concerned with just teaching subject the subject matter, and not running to out them, you elevate that to being no different than an intervention and a course of treatment from a therapist.

Yeah, not buying

We are just gonna have to agree to disagree

 

[RustyShackleford]

social transition is a psychological intervention.
it's what some therapists recommend as a way to treat gender dysphoria, which is a serious often time debilitating condition.


don't minimize,
don't pretend like it's some nickname
imo that is insulting to trans people. im sure they doin't view their gender identity like a silly nickname.

it's serious and important step that need a lot of consideration before anyone undertakes it.

miss griffin in homeroom 6 is not qualified to make that decision for a minor.

What is this, tryna speak for all trans people now

Funny how that works

gry60

And I think it is serious. So that is why I am not minimizing it to try to grab the moral high ground

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Tryna speak for all trans people now

Funny how that works

gry60

Please.
I'm not appealing to some imaginary trans activist authority,
and I'm not saying that those words will lead to trans murder.

I'm observing the obvious reality.
The whole point of being trans you had to transition to validate your gender identity.

To compare transition to Ben the short form for Benjamin

Means that it is some carpicious thing that doesn't deserve any particular suite of rights.

We don't give civil rights for nicknames and so obviously that means less significant than any other identity catagory.

If that's what he believes that's fine, but it's obviously a diminishing the seriousness of transgender as a identity.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

What is this, tryna speak for all trans people now

Funny how that works

gry60

And I think it is serious. So that is why I am not minimizing it to try to grab the moral high ground

I didn't say you were. Someone else made the comment about transition being like a nickname.

 

[Mark Antony]

Famb this has been going on for like five years

A good chunk of his last special was just him whining about being criticized for his previous show

After the Closer, after promising to stop talking about it, he kept ranting because he seems upset that some people agreed with his critics

This thing is mainly about Dave's hurt feelings, so at some point, I think people have to wonder when he will give it a ****ing rest.

Yeah the amount of time dedicated to it just kept escalating and escalating. Saw it asked in the midst of this word jumble y'all got going on what the initial joke was and it's almost irrelevant now due to Dave's decision to prolong it and make it a thing. End of the day he made this what it is. Just objectively from the perspective of the comedy fan that I am, this is a waste of time and a true talent. Recycling jokes and topics which would usually be a no-no for a comedian of his stature.

Imagine Chris Rock after the black people vs ****** joke spending the next 5 years and 3 specials dedicating a large chunk of it to just that moment.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Please.
I'm not appealing to some imaginary trans activist authority,
and I'm not saying that those words will lead to trans murder.

I'm observing the obvious reality.
The whole point of being trans you had to transition to validate your gender identity.

To compare transition to Ben the short form for Benjamin

Means that it is some carpicious thing that doesn't deserve any particular suite of rights.

We don't give civil rights for nicknames and less significant than any other identity catagory.

If that's what he believes that's fine, but it's obviously a diminishing the seriousness of transgender as a identity.

Dude if you are not talking about me then quote dude next time or mention him

You responded right after my post, minutes after responding directly to him

It reads to me like you were taking issue with my position, when I don't think I said anything that downplays how serious the situation is

The reason I am not inclined to interject myself into the situation at the level to think is best is because I take the situation and fallout dead serious and I feel it is the best play all things considered.

If I was a teacher in Texas, or any number of red states, and I had the means, I would move. Because some places going places on this subject that is very bad

 

[RustyShackleford]

Yeah the amount of time dedicated to it just kept escalating and escalating. Saw it asked in the midst of this word jumble y'all got going on what the initial joke was and it's almost irrelevant now due to Dave's decision to prolong it and make it a thing. End of the day he made this what it is. Just objectively from the perspective of the comedy fan that I am, this is a waste of time and a true talent. Recycling jokes and topics which would usually be a no-no for a comedian of his stature.

Imagine Chris Rock after the black people vs ****** joke spending the next 5 years and 3 specials dedicating a large chunk of it to just that moment.

Yep

Dave is a sensitive dude, complaining about other people being too sensitive

It is getting exhausting to me. Especially when he himself keeps escalating the situation

Like no wonder he is cool with Joe Rogan and Elon Musk. Peas in a pod

 

[Mark Antony]

Take the topic at hand and replace it with anything, **** Frosted Flakes. You make a Frosted Flakes joke, then over the years you just keep dedicating more and more time to Frosted Flakes at some point people are going to say "alright mother ****er, enough with the Frosted Flakes, got anything else?"

 

[1995]

that would be shocking to most parents. my assumption is that is not a widespread practice is schools in america.
if it was parents, would be rightfully shocked.

it's obviously inappropriate thats why republicans are using the idea to try and tar the democratic party with it.

Oh is that why?

Even for you, this is such a ridiculous framing of Republican motives

 

[frankmatthews]

Yeah the amount of time dedicated to it just kept escalating and escalating. Saw it asked in the midst of this word jumble y'all got going on what the initial joke was and it's almost irrelevant now due to Dave's decision to prolong it and make it a thing. End of the day he made this what it is. Just objectively from the perspective of the comedy fan that I am, this is a waste of time and a true talent. Recycling jokes and topics which would usually be a no-no for a comedian of his stature.

Imagine Chris Rock after the black people vs ****** joke spending the next 5 years and 3 specials dedicating a large chunk of it to just that moment.

Yes but then would his nt thread be 133 pages? Daves in showbiz at the end of the day and you cant buy this type of publicity.

 

[jape]

What's going on here? Did Dave start teaching high school?

 

[gry60]

I'm pretty sure I can speak for most parents here when I say that there's no way a child will transition without their parents noticing. It would take an exceptional level of neglect on the part of the parents to not see that. As a teacher, if a boy changes into dresses at school, goes by she during the day, changes back before boarding the bus and the parents don't know anything about this, it's CPS I'm keeping on speed dial.

 

[tomdiginson]

DO any of you have your pronouns in your Email SIGNATURE?

If yes, what made you do IT?

I come in peace.

Not EYE, but have seen it all over on various linkedin profiles and zoom meetings with misc organizations.

 

[fluid hips]

Damn Carmichael is gay huh. Son did have some interesting mannerisms before he came out

 

[DCAllAfrican]

To add some nuance to the teacher situation I will explain a situation at my school.

The trans twins that I brought up don't want their parents to know.

One of the girls (what she most recently identified as last week) goes by another name. A male name. So she tells the teachers and kids to call her that male name.

The mixup happened at Parent Teacher Conferences when a few of the teachers used this Male name when discussing her academics with the child's mother.

So the teacher didn't "report" it to the parents but they slipped up. Now, where it went from there with the kids/parents I don't know.

But in regards to the convo, I can understand why osh kosh bosh think it's wild that people working with someone's kid is "hiding" something like that.

But I ALSO understand that them coming out to their parents might be the hardest thing to do.

I don't think either side is as ridiculous as the other side is making it out to be.

Before anyone asks, "Why haven't YOU told the parents?"

I try not to get involved in any of that stuff. I'll let somebody else handle that if they want to tell the parents. I am already a black dude working with kids (double minority in that setting) so I tend to keep a low profile and mind my business.

wavycrocket Respect to your honest post a few pages ago.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

To add some nuance to the teacher situation I will explain a situation at my school.

The trans twins that I brought up don't want their parents to know.

One of the girls (what she most recently identified as last week) goes by another name. A male name. So she tells the teachers and kids to call her that male name.

The mixup happened at Parent Teacher Conferences when a few of the teachers used this Male name when discussing her academics with the child's mother.

So the teacher didn't "report" it to the parents but they slipped up. Now, where it went from there with the kids/parents I don't know.

But in regards to the convo, I can understand why osh kosh bosh think it's wild that people working with someone's kid is "hiding" something like that.

But I ALSO understand that them coming out to their parents might be the hardest thing to do.

I don't think either side is as ridiculous as the other side is making it out to be.

Before anyone asks, "Why haven't YOU told the parents?"

I try not to get involved in any of that stuff. I'll let somebody else handle that if they want to tell the parents. I am already a black dude working with kids (double minority in that setting) so I tend to keep a low profile and mind my business.

wavycrocket Respect to your honest post a few pages ago.

Like I said if you don't want to "out" them. EI "tell their parents their children are experiencing gender dysphoria"

I don't approve, but I can maybe see how someone might do that

But socially transitioning them I think is totally indefensible. I honestly find it baffling that anyone would support that, and the detail you added
Doesn't at all change my mind about that.

if it were my kid and I found out, it'd be a massive problem.
And if anything bad happens everyone involved better lawyer up.


My nephew drew some "violent" images from a comic book he was reading.
A teacher took the pic informed my his parents the next day.

If some significant change happens psychologically with my child I expect the teacher to let me know.

And at the very least I expect them to not engage in a treatment plan without my consent.

 

[WASHED KING]

Like I said if you don't want to "out" them. EI "tell their parents their children are experiencing gender dysphoria"

I don't approve, but I can maybe see how someone might do that

But socially transitioning them I think is totally indefensible. I honestly find it baffling that anyone would support that, and the detail you added
Doesn't at all change my mind about that.

if it were my kid and I found out, it'd be a massive problem.
And if anything bad happens everyone involved better lawyer up.


My nephew drew some "violent" images from a comic book he was reading.
A teacher took the pic informed my his parents the next day.

If some significant change happens psychologically with my child I expect the teacher to let me know.

And at the very least I expect them to not engage in a treatment plan without my consent.

I’m not able to tell the parent their child is experiencing gender dysphoria that is diagnosing them and I’m an unqualified teacher .

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I’m not able to tell the parent their child is experiencing gender dysphoria that is diagnosing them and I’m an unqualified teacher .

The idea that you think this is a clever response is truly embarrassing.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Gender Dysphoria is a serious condition.
That can lead to really tragic outcomes.

It's not the same as a kid being gay.

 

[WASHED KING]

The idea that you think this is a clever response is truly embarrassing.

The idea that you think your nephew displaying school shooter tendencies is the same as a student identifying as a different gender is truly embarrassing

 

[osh kosh bosh]

The idea that you think your nephew displaying school shooter tendencies is the same as a student identifying as a different gender is truly embarrassing

A kid draws a scene from a comic book
"School Shooter tendencies we must alert the parents!"


A kid asks for psychological intervention to treat self diagnosed condition.
"Let's hide this from their parents!"


Teaching schools are not sending their best it seems.

 

[WASHED KING]

A kid draws a scene from a comic book
"School Shooter tendencies we must alert the parents!"


A kid asks for psychological intervention to treat self diagnosed condition.
"Let's hide this from their parents!"


Teaching schools are not sending their best it seems.

Ah please you bring comparisons into the conversation and then when it is used against your argument you move the goal posts.

Eh you couldn't teach.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Ah please you bring comparisons into the conversation and then when it is used against your argument you move the goal posts.

Eh you couldn't teach.

"Using aginst"
You are literally validating my argument.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

And full transparency a lot teachers that are > 30 or so struggle with the pronoun thing considering it is fairly new.

Personally, I don't trust myself being able to ALWAYS say the right pronoun at a child that presents and identifies as two different things so I have just started calling kids strictly by their last names to not get caught up.

There have been instances here where teachers have been "reported" for calling those twins SHE/HER/HERS and I don't want any parts with that.

So I just call them by their last names.

 

[WASHED KING]

"Using aginst"
You are literally validating my argument.

Argue your point and stand on it without changing the subject and redirecting. That would however require consistency and honesty about your viewpoints.

Luckily for you I don't expect that. I know my personnel.

Sidenote) I didn't spell "against" wrong in my original post either and it was never edited. If I did though who gives a s***? This is a message board not a d*** research paper.