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[Mark Antony]

What's wrong with dismissing certain messengers though? That guy clearly isn't qualified to objectively chime in on the topic.

Also I swear once people learn "ad hominem", "fallacy" and "strawman" they never let it go.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Like I mentioned, Matt Walsh also labels large swarms of transgender people "groomers" and implies they are existence put kids in danger. And the Democratic Party and their allies are trying to silence people that speak of this supposed "truth"

When we people talk about rhetoric that might result in something bad happening to trans people, I feel folk like Walsh is a way better example of that than Dave's jokes.

That is the type of rhetoric I think is dangerous because we already have examples of people falling for these online conspiracy theories and acting out as a result.

I honestly wish more attention was paid to stuff like that because that is the type of talk that creates a sentiment that could result in someone getting hurt or dying. Either through a lunatic acting out, or conservatives stripping transgender people of Medicaid eligibility (not just to transition, but all coverage)

I think Dave Chapelle is a self-absorbed emotional dude that can't let something go. I think Matt Walsh is a bad actor that is a fundamentally cruel person

Even the video posted. He is on the Austrialian version of Fox News, talking to a right-wing commentator, pushing his heavily edited "documentary", mostly misrepresenting what his political opponents think. His work is not meant to be informative or grapple with serious issues in good faith. They are essentially propaganda pieces

ive come around to the idea that it's probably impossible to impose message discipline on a group as big a diverse as "progressives"

and there will always be progressives somewhere doing and saying some goofy *** ****.


but I skimmed through that what is a woman doc,
and it's really unfortunate that these goofy people

were such willing dupes for Matt Walsh's propaganda project.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I have a question. An honest question.

I have been seeing more and more clips online about elementary aged kids attending drag shows.

Can someone explain to me what that's about and why they are done?

I seriously don't understand.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

ive come around to the idea that it's probably impossible to impose message discipline on a group as big a diverse as "progressives"

and there will always be progressives somewhere doing and saying some goofy *** ****.


but I skimmed through that what is a woman doc,
and it's really unfortunate that these goofy people

were such willing dupes for Matt Walsh's propaganda project.

Yea I was like how did yall let him put yall in the trickbag like that. I almost wondering if they were paid actors because there was no way some of them should have agreed to meet him let alone put them on camera.

 

[Mark Antony]

Excellent question for the Dave Chappelle thread.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

What's wrong with dismissing certain messengers though? That guy clearly isn't qualified to objectively chime in on the topic.

Also I swear once people learn "ad hominem", "fallacy" and "strawman" they never let it go.

you can but imo you playing into matt walsh's hands when you do that.

if you watch the doc, he's mostly playing the straight man,
and trying to sound as reasonable and as normie as possible.
that's part of what makes it effective propaganda.

a normal person is going to identify with Matt Walsh in those clips.

for the most part in the doc he expresses the normie position.

just saying matt walsh is bad or biased
is not convincing to anyone who doesn't already agree with you imo.

 

[RustyShackleford]

ive come around to the idea that it's probably impossible to impose message discipline on a group as big a diverse as "progressives"

and there will always be progressives somewhere doing and saying some goofy *** ****.


but I skimmed through that what is a woman doc,
and it's really unfortunate that these goofy people

were such willing dupes for Matt Walsh's propaganda project.

Brah, I don't understand

Why sign up for a project where Matt Walsh has editorial control?

You get a fairly reasonable person talking for long enough, ask them enough leading questions, confuse them a little and you will get enough material to chop and screw to make them look unreasonable

A person that it even the slightest bit out there got no chance against the likes of Walsh and his Final Cut Pro game. He gonna make them look crazy.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Excellent question for the Dave Chappelle threfind.

I mean we are discussing Matt Walsh docs and how books on LGBT topics ruin kids brains.

Why is this comment so out of the question?

 

[Mark Antony]

you can but imo you playing into matt walsh's hands when you do that.

if you watch the doc, he's mostly playing the straight man,
and trying to sound as reasonable and as normie as possible.
that's part of what makes it effective propaganda.

a normal person is going to identify with Matt Walsh in those clips.

for the most part in the doc he expresses the normie position.

just saying matt walsh is bad or biased
is not convincing to anyone who doesn't already agree with you imo.

I exist outside his game though, to me his plays are irrelevant.

 

[Mark Antony]

I mean we are discussing Matt Walsh docs and how books on LGBT topics ruin kids brains.

Why is this comment so out of the question?

At this point it isn't, It's more a commentary on Dave and what he wrought within his spaces now.

 

[Present]

Using ad hominem to defend ad hominem

...but "they never let it go"

You can dismiss the messenger w/o dismissing the message Fam.

 

[Present]

I have a question. An honest question.

I have been seeing more and more clips online about elementary aged kids attending drag shows.

Can someone explain to me what that's about and why they are done?

I seriously don't understand.

Cultural conditioning is a process through which we absorb and interpret the influences, norms, and messaging from our environment and translate them into what we believe to be acceptable behaviors. Each of us operates within an environment that consists of many types of cultures and subcultures, some of which overlap.

Some folks invest in the notion that if you shape the environment, then you can shape the culture, thus ultimately impacting biology.

Actually it works the other way around.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Cultural conditioning is a process through which we absorb and interpret the influences, norms, and messaging from our environment and translate them into what we believe to be acceptable behaviors. Each of us operates within an environment that consists of many types of cultures and subcultures, some of which overlap.

I'm attempting to see it for what it is before I go there.

I know a lot of times society complains about kids being exposed to non-hetero practices when the hetero version is being practiced without people batting an eye.

So I guess to jump in front of that response, what would be the hetero version of kids attending drag shows?

 

[WASHED KING]

I'm attempting to see it for what it is before I go there.

I know a lot of times society complains about kids being exposed to non-hetero practices when the hetero version is being practiced without people batting an eye.

So I guess to jump in front of that response, what would be the hetero version of kids attending drag shows?

Beauty pageants?

Idk I’m spitballing here

 

[osh kosh bosh]

tbh they def use editing to make them seem extra goofy.
but to my eye it's not aggressively edited

I think these people have legitimately never encounter any pushback to any of these ideas.
because any pushback is framed as transphobic in many progressive institutions.
and some of these ideas imo are just incoherent

so it's difficult to defend even if a guy like matt walsh asks you basic *** questions about it.


and so if you ask them to define what is a woman, they fall apart and end up looking silly.
or try to declare the question as out of bounds

 

[Present]

I'm attempting to see it for what it is before I go there.

I know a lot of times society complains about kids being exposed to non-hetero practices when the hetero version is being practiced without people batting an eye.

So I guess to jump in front of that response, what would be the hetero version of kids attending drag shows?

I dunno.

Best not to play the game.

IMHO its incumbent upon the parents / family to account for their child's education.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I have a question. An honest question.

I have been seeing more and more clips online about elementary aged kids attending drag shows.

Can someone explain to me what that's about and why they are done?

I seriously don't understand.

drag has been basically mainstreamed by the popularity of RuPaul's Drag Race
so now you see more of these family friendly drag shows popping up in liberal cities.

Christopher Rufo conservative activist is trying to use progressive overreach on the trans issue
to paint gay people and democrats as sexual deviants.

so he's trying to conflate adult drag shows,
with more PG family friendly drag performances that are basically equivalent to like a clown performances.

it's basically propaganda to help elect republicans.

 

[RustyShackleford]

you can but imo you playing into matt walsh's hands when you do that.

if you watch the doc, he's mostly playing the straight man,
and trying to sound as reasonable and as normie as possible.
that's part of what makes it effective propaganda.

a normal person is going to identify with Matt Walsh in those clips.

for the most part in the doc he expresses the normie position.

just saying matt walsh is bad or biased
is not convincing to anyone who doesn't already agree with you imo.

Look at what happened in here though

Me and 1995 pointed out specific ways Matt Walsh is a bad actor, and his views actually differ from Dave's

We took issue with what he was saying too. Pointing out specific ways Walsh is not the straight shooter he presents himself as. Not just calling him bad.

And the response from P Present was to accuse us of using ad hominem attack against the dude. Then he admits he didn't even know who Walsh is

This is hurdle to having good faith discussions on this issue, that people are so hungry for a data point to confirm their priors that they don't do their due diligence

Sure we can say everyone is guilty of that but I think this lack of interrogation of people on the right gets really helps them push their propaganda to a wider audience.

 

[Present]

Matt Walsh is not responsible / accountable for what came out of these experts mouths.

I mean unless there is some deep fake business going on - its clear that they said what they said and I believe them.

Aren't we all to be held to account for our actions / words or am I missing something here?

If Dave Chappelle has to be accountable for the words that leave his mouth then why not them?

Aint that equality / "good faith"?

The argument / position cant be "I'm a woman / man because I said so" and expect the whole world to comply or else.

Even a baby can make you look like a fool trying to defend such a position just by nursing on his Mother / eating breakfast Fam.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Look at what happened in here though

Me and 1995 pointed out specific ways Matt Walsh is a bad actor, and his views actually differ from Dave's

We took issue with what he was saying too. Pointing out specific ways Walsh is not the straight shooter he presents himself as. Not just calling him bad.

And the response from P Present was to accuse us of using ad hominem attack against the dude. Then he admits he didn't even know who Walsh is

This is hurdle to having good faith discussions on this issue, that people are so hungry for a data point to confirm their priors that they don't do their due diligence

Sure we can say everyone is guilty of that but I think this lack of interrogation of people on the right gets really helps them push their propaganda to a wider audience.

i wasn't accusing you of doing that.

I was talking narrowly about the idea of just dismissing something because the messenger is Matt Walsh.

im not saying you should never point out that someone is acting in bad faith.
do that if they are, ive also pointed out matt walsh is propagandist.

all im saying "does gender ideology make any sense?" is imo a legit question
even if matt walsh is asking it.

 

[RustyShackleford]

i wasn't accusing you of doing that.

I was talking narrowly about the idea of just dismissing something because the messenger is Matt Walsh.

im not saying you should never point out that someone is acting in bad faith.
do that if they are, ive also pointed out matt walsh is propagandist.

all im saying "does gender ideology make any sense?" is imo a legit question
even if matt walsh is asking it.

Dude my response was in regard to what you told M Mark Antony about dismissing certain people

I was pointing out that in this thread, look at how Walsh's card was pulled, in an honest and fair way, and look at the response

I am not talking about whether something is legit questions to ask

What you said here...

you can but imo you playing into matt walsh's hands when you do that.

if you watch the doc, he's mostly playing the straight man,
and trying to sound as reasonable and as normie as possible.
that's part of what makes it effective propaganda.

a normal person is going to identify with Matt Walsh in those clips.

for the most part in the doc he expresses the normie position.

just saying matt walsh is bad or biased
is not convincing to anyone who doesn't already agree with you imo.

I am pointing out that other things work to help propagandist spread their propaganda beyond the response from their ideological opponents

And the example I used was what happened in this thread when people went beyond simply calling Walsh "bad"

 

[fluid hips]

Dave's a master story teller

Man got a gift

 

[fluid hips]

My guy really said family friendly drag shows

If I had kids and wanted them to see dudes in makeup, I would take them to the circus. At least they do tricks

 

[stuntman mike]

At least they do tricks

hmmmm….

nope. not today, satan.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

My guy really said family friendly drag shows

If I had kids and wanted them to see dudes in makeup, I would take them to the circus. At least they do tricks

family friendly is ultimately in the eye of the beholder.

my point is there are drag shows
that are not sexual and aimed at all ages and are essentially like clown performances.