"Dear Jesus, I masturbated yesterday and betrayed you....but check out my new shirt"



i see them kinda like a political party (mainly democrats)- just catch all like if no other church wants you we'll take you
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I think thats how alot of people view them. I have my questions because I've wondered "can the message reach everyone"
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. I like the small personal churches where everybody can know everybody. Those mega churches kinda make it hard to do that.

exactly knowing who you are in fellowship helps and allows for people to help each other.

that ex-hypocrite tee is looking better today
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Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by sn00pee

Originally Posted by RKO2004

I don't care what the percentage is. I for one can admit it leads to more and more of it, porn and even premarital sex. My body tells me to have sex with my girl when but that doesn't mean I should do it. "Everybody does it dude"
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People also have inner rage to hurt but should they do it?

comparing masturbation to violence is absurd. Porn? well it depends on your taste. Personally, im sure most people dont need porn to masturbate. and its definitely not an everybody does it type thing. over %90 is a very significant number.

masturbation does not equate porn. thats a whole different subject.


But hey, who am i to tell you how to raise your kid? I certainly dont want to see you fail, but it would be a shame to install the wrong messages into your children is all im saying. A male will most likely do it anyway, so good luck with that.
Right which is why I would hold off for a while telling him/her about certain stuff. For example if I knew my son was messing around with himself I would tell him to cut it out if He was on the younger side of things. But once He reaches a certain age then of course I'm to have to tell him what He is doing. I don't want to expose him to too much too soon because it can put the child in a state of mind where they are set for failure and confusion. Yeah boys are alot more prone to do it, I guess since ours has a visible reaction to stimulation it calls us. Now masturbation is not on the same as murder and such but it certainly can lead to problems.

And the "fail" line wasn't towards you but those who sit and wait foe me to slip up. I'm sure you've had them. If you haven't then you will.
Awww, RKO you poor martyr. Martyr Povich? Martyr McFly? Jimmy Martyr? We should have your cross back from the shop any day now.
Wow I put foe instead of for
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, sheesh I always do something like that.

But Martyr? Ha you are a funny little guy. You are a George Carlin in the making with your funny sense of humor. You know what? You should do that. You should be a George Carlin or Bill Maher type. See the one thing I've learned about people like you. You are literally just out to disprove what we believe and crap on what we believe by any means necessary. But that's fine. I can deal with it.

So whats yur theory of life? Born, live and then die with nothing to follow? We don't have souls either right? Random scientific event billions of years ago which over time formed into what we know today?
See that is where you are wrong. I am not just out to disprove you or crap on anything. I try to be the opposing voice of reason to yourmoral grandeur. I am not trying to disprove you, dude. I am just stating what you believe is nonsense. Your 'holier-than-thou but cognizant of thetemptations' act needs someone to tell you it's bullocks.
 
Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by sn00pee

Originally Posted by RKO2004

I don't care what the percentage is. I for one can admit it leads to more and more of it, porn and even premarital sex. My body tells me to have sex with my girl when but that doesn't mean I should do it. "Everybody does it dude"
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People also have inner rage to hurt but should they do it?

comparing masturbation to violence is absurd. Porn? well it depends on your taste. Personally, im sure most people dont need porn to masturbate. and its definitely not an everybody does it type thing. over %90 is a very significant number.

masturbation does not equate porn. thats a whole different subject.


But hey, who am i to tell you how to raise your kid? I certainly dont want to see you fail, but it would be a shame to install the wrong messages into your children is all im saying. A male will most likely do it anyway, so good luck with that.
Right which is why I would hold off for a while telling him/her about certain stuff. For example if I knew my son was messing around with himself I would tell him to cut it out if He was on the younger side of things. But once He reaches a certain age then of course I'm to have to tell him what He is doing. I don't want to expose him to too much too soon because it can put the child in a state of mind where they are set for failure and confusion. Yeah boys are alot more prone to do it, I guess since ours has a visible reaction to stimulation it calls us. Now masturbation is not on the same as murder and such but it certainly can lead to problems.

And the "fail" line wasn't towards you but those who sit and wait foe me to slip up. I'm sure you've had them. If you haven't then you will.
Awww, RKO you poor martyr. Martyr Povich? Martyr McFly? Jimmy Martyr? We should have your cross back from the shop any day now.
Wow I put foe instead of for
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, sheesh I always do something like that.

But Martyr? Ha you are a funny little guy. You are a George Carlin in the making with your funny sense of humor. You know what? You should do that. You should be a George Carlin or Bill Maher type. See the one thing I've learned about people like you. You are literally just out to disprove what we believe and crap on what we believe by any means necessary. But that's fine. I can deal with it.

So whats yur theory of life? Born, live and then die with nothing to follow? We don't have souls either right? Random scientific event billions of years ago which over time formed into what we know today?
See that is where you are wrong. I am not just out to disprove you or crap on anything. I try to be the opposing voice of reason to your moral grandeur. I am not trying to disprove you, dude. I am just stating what you believe is nonsense. Your 'holier-than-thou but cognizant of the temptations' act needs someone to tell you it's bullocks.
I have said countless times that I'm nowhere near perfect and I'm in the same ditch as others. Its not an act. Being a believer is who Iam. And what I believe is nonsense? How about nothing + nothing = the universe? Brilliant I tell you, brilliant!
 
rtz13:
23ska909red02:
I... *sigh*... I hate that there are so many Christians lost in a cloud of delusions, misinterpretations, and false teachings.

Off topic, but my wife's parents just asked her over the weekend if we ever think about the fact that our son is 18 months old and we've never taken him to church; the only time he has been in church have been the 3 weekends he has spent with them. We had never had this talk with her parents before, but she finally just flat out told them 'No it doesn't bother us; we're doing it on purpose. We want him to know the teachings of the Bible, and the church is one of the last places he'll learn them.'

The church would never tell you that lust is a sin, but still a forgivable one. The church would condemn you for masturbating, leading you to believe that you should feel ashamed and unworthy, when in reality, the sin of lust is no more or less forgivable than any other sin, and God honors all efforts towards purity made in His name and for His will.

If you believe in God, then this applies: God made us, so He understands our human nature. Perfection is not His goal for our lives.

Sorry, I know there's a lot in all of that.

The shirts are ridiculous. The message behind the shirt is laughable. The people behind the message have missed the point.
I'm sorry but I always see you around as the Christian who seemingly hates all Christians. If you've read the Bible you'd know how important a church is in a Christians life. One of God's goal for our lives is to make us closer to His nature which = perfection right? It seems you've been that dude who's been misinterpreting the Bible.

I'm not saying all churches or even most churches teach the Bible correctly, but you are def. straying away from scripture. Find a good Bible believing church get ya doctrine straight.
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"The church would never tell you that lust is a sin, but a forgivable one." I'm pretty sure
First off, I don't hate all Christians. I don't hate anyone. However, I do hold my brethren to a standard of clarity, tolerance,self-discipline, and an unending search for wisdom, a standard that is directly in line with the callings that Christ gave for followers of God.

Second, regarding the statement 'if you've read the Bible': I have a degree in Advanced Biblical Studies. Does that count as reading the Bible?

Third, yes, His will = perfection. But no, perfection in our lives is not what God has called us to be. Let me ask you, do you believe that the disciples whowrote the New Testament were meant to be 'role models' (for lack of a better phrase) for the rest of us? Sure, Christ is our ultimate example, butconsidering that He is the Son of God, He holds qualities that we don't. But John, Paul, Peter and the gang were regular humans like you and I. With thatin mind, why do we read in the New Testament that our human examples struggled to maintain perfection?

From Romans 7: "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.... As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it,but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry itout. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do- this I keep on doing."

The Bible is, according to my belief, inspired by God. The New Testament is, according to Jesus Christ, a new guideline for what God expects for us. And rightthere in the New Testament is a passage written by Paul describing the struggle for doing God's will and falling into sin. Why would that description ofstruggle be in there if God didn't want it in there?

Fourth, how much personal study of the Bible have you done? I mean, for yourself. I'm not counting going to church and flipping the ol' Holy Book openon the preacher's prompt. I'm not talking about jotting down the scriptures he uses for his sermon and then going home and cracking the cover open tolook at those scriptures yourself; that's still his work your looking through. You're just doing it on your own time; your studying his work on yourtime. How much of your own work have you put into learning the Bible? If you're going to tell me that I'm straying from scripture, I would expect thatthe knowledge you're pulling from would be the scripture as you've studied it on your own, not the scripture as you've been told.

And lastly, of course churches believe in the Bible. Practicing the Bible's teachings is not the same as believing in it. Did you know that 10% is not arequirement for tithe? Now what church would teach that? What church would teach that giving money isn't even a requirement at all? Despite what churcheswould have you believe, 10% of your income is not a Godly requirement, and neither is giving any money.
 
ctdaprince:
23ska909red02:
I... *sigh*... I hate that there are so many Christians lost in a cloud of delusions, misinterpretations, and false teachings.

Off topic, but my wife's parents just asked her over the weekend if we ever think about the fact that our son is 18 months old and we've never taken him to church; the only time he has been in church have been the 3 weekends he has spent with them. We had never had this talk with her parents before, but she finally just flat out told them 'No it doesn't bother us; we're doing it on purpose. We want him to know the teachings of the Bible, and the church is one of the last places he'll learn them.'

The church would never tell you that lust is a sin, but still a forgivable one. The church would condemn you for masturbating, leading you to believe that you should feel ashamed and unworthy, when in reality, the sin of lust is no more or less forgivable than any other sin, and God honors all efforts towards purity made in His name and for His will.

If you believe in God, then this applies: God made us, so He understands our human nature. Perfection is not His goal for our lives.

Sorry, I know there's a lot in all of that.

The shirts are ridiculous. The message behind the shirt is laughable. The people behind the message have missed the point.
what church do you go to i hate when people generalize like this as if all churches are like that my church is not at all like that
I promise, your church is not the tabernacle of Godly, Biblically sound holiness that you think it is. Promise.

Your elders, are they the upstanding members of society that the Bible calls them to be? I can tell you right now that a majority of them, if not all of them,are volunteers who have thrown their name in the hat and have been selected by your church's board members. Role models for the community, or thoseappropriate enough to hold a collection tray while holding the people's trust that he won't dip into the collection tray?

Your pastor, is he about... ABOUT... improving the community before improving the church? Does he spend a majority of his office time doing work pertaining tothe church, the choir, the youth group, the different clubs and congregational gatherings in the church (like the potluck this Sunday afternoon, or theconference he'll be attending next weekend, on the church's dime, of course), or does he spend a majority of his time on the phone with homelessshelters, abortion clinics, foster homes/group homes, prisons, jails, rehab centers, nursing homes, and other facilities needing the service of a man of God?If I were to donate $100,000 to your church, what percentage of that would go into the church, the people in the church, the people working in the church, theyouth group... and what percentage would be used to feed the homeless, take care of the oppressed and defenseless, serve those less fortunate, and improve thecommunity?
 
Ska makes documentaries about churches. I know that. It's that skepticism that is needed more than anything. Having faith even after looking throughskeptical glasses is a lot stronger than blind faith....Regardless if you believe in god or not.
 
Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Ska makes documentaries about churches. I know that. It's that skepticism that is needed more than anything. Having faith even after looking through skeptical glasses is a lot stronger than blind faith....Regardless if you believe in god or not.

Let me guess? You assume that I have blind faith right? Yes thats a real question I would like to know the answer to.
 
Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Ska makes documentaries about churches. I know that. It's that skepticism that is needed more than anything. Having faith even after looking through skeptical glasses is a lot stronger than blind faith....Regardless if you believe in god or not.

Let me guess? You assume that I have blind faith right? Yes thats a real question I would like to know the answer to.
I didn't say that....did I? I have never questioned whether you believe something blindly or not. I think the things you say are theconclusions that you have come to with whatever research you have done. That said, I can't say that is better than blind faith.
 
Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Ska makes documentaries about churches. I know that. It's that skepticism that is needed more than anything. Having faith even after looking through skeptical glasses is a lot stronger than blind faith....Regardless if you believe in god or not.

Let me guess? You assume that I have blind faith right? Yes thats a real question I would like to know the answer to.
I didn't say that....did I? I have never questioned whether you believe something blindly or not. I think the things you say are the conclusions that you have come to with whatever research you have done. That said, I can't say that is better than blind faith.
OK.

Are you familiar with the fall and rise of Israel?
 
Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Ska makes documentaries about churches. I know that. It's that skepticism that is needed more than anything. Having faith even after looking through skeptical glasses is a lot stronger than blind faith....Regardless if you believe in god or not.

Let me guess? You assume that I have blind faith right? Yes thats a real question I would like to know the answer to.
I didn't say that....did I? I have never questioned whether you believe something blindly or not. I think the things you say are the conclusions that you have come to with whatever research you have done. That said, I can't say that is better than blind faith.
OK.

Are you familiar with the fall and rise of Israel?
Familiar not friendly.
 
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I heard the Raiders want to sign dude. They need a QB.

Familiar not friendly.
Are you aware the bible said Israel would fall and then rise to power again?

Oh and something I didn't know... When Jesus was alive scientist estimate the worlds population was only a couple hundred million. Interesting.
 
How did this get so far off the original post? I wanna know am I going to hell for masturbating once a day or every other day (if I'm too busy)???
 
Originally Posted by TrueshotAura

How did this get so far off the original post? I wanna know am I going to hell for masturbating once a day or every other day (if I'm too busy)???

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No one here knows. But I can tell you it is viewed as a sin and we mustrepent and turn from sin the best we can.
 
Only on Niketalk can a post about a funny (if completely crass and crude) t shirt turn into a philosophical debate on salvation and religion.
If you wanna know if masturbation is a sin, pick up the Bible and read about it. I promise you this though, NO ONE is in hell for masturbating too much.
 
Originally Posted by tylerdub

Only on Niketalk can a post about a funny (if completely crass and crude) t shirt turn into a philosophical debate on salvation and religion.
If you wanna know if masturbation is a sin, pick up the Bible and read about it. I promise you this though, NO ONE is in hell for masturbating too much.

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. Ignorant remarks and questions and etc can turn a small 3 page maxpost into a 14 page historic one.
 
man, looks like i missed ALOT.
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I'm glad my semi-testimony brought up some valid points.

but hey if it means anything, i picked up my bible for the 1st time in like 2 years & read some of it.

baby steps... it's not gonna be easy to stop doing alot of the things I'm doing

but RKO summed it up pretty well for me by sayin "we must repent and turn from sin the best we can."

and ska is that dude
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i didn't know he was a straight up biblescholar. cool
 
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