Death of World Star Hip Hop (D.O.WSHH)

[atlien seeko]

Good dialog here.

Censorship is never the answer. If we shouldn't see it, our brains will censor it. Try staring at the sun. That's something you're not supposed to look at and observe, with your naked eye at least.

Ever heard of DMT? Our brain has it's ways of dealing with this type of stuff that we "aren't supposed to see".

I guess we aren't supposed to see or have herb either, so we should cut it all down and burn it til it's extinct?

You know how a LOT of these crimes that are recorded get solved? BECAUSE PEOPLE WATCH THE PLAYBACK.

Do you not think a lot of people refrain from doing stupid **** now because they stop and say things to them selves like "Nah.. I really don't want this getting out on the internet, so I'm going to chill"?

Can the site not have a converse, positive effect?

I can almost guarentee you WAY more crazier stuff used to happen in the streets when the internet, cell phones and so many cameras weren't around because people were "uncensored" by the lack of cameras and global judgement.

There are "safe zones" on the web like Niketalk that provide sheltered, moderated enviorments for people that choose not to dwell on sites like WSHH, etc, as there are in real life. We have choices.

Don't be so simple in your mind and think everything is black and white. Gray areas are out here and are necessary, and humans have the brain capacity to deal with them according. We don't need to be censored.

 

[derryj3]

Good dialog here.

Censorship is never the answer. If we shouldn't see it, our brains will censor it. Try staring at the sun. That's something you're not supposed to look at and observe, with your naked eye at least.

Ever heard of DMT? Our brain has it's ways of dealing with this type of stuff that we "aren't supposed to see".

I guess we aren't supposed to see or have herb either, so we should cut it all down and burn it til it's extinct?

You know how a LOT of these crimes that are recorded get solved? BECAUSE PEOPLE WATCH THE PLAYBACK.

Do you not think a lot of people refrain from doing stupid **** now because they stop and say things to them selves like "Nah.. I really don't want this getting out on the internet, so I'm going to chill"?

Can the site not have a converse, positive effect?

I can almost guarentee you WAY more crazier stuff used to happen in the streets when the internet, cell phones and so many cameras weren't around because people were "uncensored" by the lack of cameras and global judgement.

There are "safe zones" on the web like Niketalk that provide sheltered, moderated enviorments for people that choose not to dwell on sites like WSHH, etc, as there are in real life. We have choices.

Don't be so simple in your mind and think everything is black and white. Gray areas are out here and are necessary, and humans have the brain capacity to deal with them according. We don't need to be censored.

QFT

 

[atlien seeko]

The blackness is the real problem.

It's too black.

America was built on anti-black, so it's no surprise, but I'm just pointing it out.

 

[johnnyderp]

a lot of people saying "if you remove wshh, other website will just come take its place".

this is such a lazy way to look at the situation.

just because there is an audience for something does not mean that there should be a platform for them to congregate.

for those of you who disagree, do you believe child pornography websites should be allowed on the internet? there's obviously an audience and its similar in that they both contain media of crimes being committed.

i mean, if you're not into child pornography just dont click on it right?

 

[Magic33]

a lot of people saying "if you remove wshh, other website will just come take its place".
this is such a lazy way to look at the situation.

just because there is an audience for something does not mean that there should be a platform for them to congregate.
for those of you who disagree, do you believe child pornography websites should be allowed on the internet? there's obviously an audience and its similar in that they both contain media of crimes being committed.

i mean, if you're not into child pornography just dont click on it right?

You're comparing something that is illegal to WSHH? Distributing child porn is an illegal activity.

Last time I checked WSHH wasn't doing anything illegal. You might want to think., and try to come back with a better analogy This one sucked.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

a lot of people saying "if you remove wshh, other website will just come take its place".
this is such a lazy way to look at the situation.

just because there is an audience for something does not mean that there should be a platform for them to congregate.
for those of you who disagree, do you believe child pornography websites should be allowed on the internet? there's obviously an audience and its similar in that they both contain media of crimes being committed.

i mean, if you're not into child pornography just dont click on it right?

this is not a good argument.

 

[water]

SRS question.
How many of your parents told you NOT to smoke weed, or rob people, or to be good in school, or not to have sex before marriage, or sell drugs, or steal, or any other number of things to try to instill good morals into you? Probably most if not all of your parents right?

Now how many of you went out and still did at least 3 of the things on that list, against your parents wishes?

My parents never told me to not do any of those things. 

I haven't done any of those things.

Srs. 

With social media, there will always be these videos and bad influences right in front of us. 

 

[miniojw]

a lot of people saying "if you remove wshh, other website will just come take its place".
this is such a lazy way to look at the situation.

just because there is an audience for something does not mean that there should be a platform for them to congregate.
for those of you who disagree, do you believe child pornography websites should be allowed on the internet? there's obviously an audience and its similar in that they both contain media of crimes being committed.

i mean, if you're not into child pornography just dont click on it right?

One thing that's very popular in the black community is pointing out what's wrong and crying about it without actually doing something to counteract it. I'm not saying to do something on a large scale but something local or in a household. IMO

 

[Magic33]

One thing that's very popular in the black community is pointing out what's wrong and crying about it without actually doing something to counteract it. I'm not saying to do something on a large scale but something local or in a household. IMO

Acknowledging the elephant in the room isn't doing anything about? Funny, I thought not doing thing is ignoring and not speaking of them.

And black people as a whole aren't doing anything, or you aren't? So NO black people are doing anything? You might what to tone down the generalizations.

Where do some of you self hating clowns come from.

 

[johnnyderp]

You're comparing something that is illegal to WSHH? Distributing child porn is an illegal activity.

Last time I checked WSHH wasn't doing anything illegal. You might want to think., and try to come back with a better analogy This one sucked.

what are you so upset about?

that's a good point about distribution of cp being illegal. but dont forget that recording fights on private property is also illegal. and obviously assault is illegal as well. CP is considered a more severe crime but you should still  be able to understand what i was getting at.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

jay walking is illegal.

child pornography is illegal.

jay walking = child pornography?

There are varying punishments for crimes for a reason. Many of the videos on wurlstah are mutual combat. There is no way to compare that to the rape of a child. Mutual combat isn't even illegal everywhere.

 

[shottadru]

If Q didnt start WSHH someone else would have. Video media runs the world, no one wants to read. People r too simple minded to "kill" wshh. Younger cats think its entertaining when its really a minstrel show. Wonder if they think about the person who will b interviewing them in the future gets their image of black people from WSHH. 

 

[Magic33]

jay walking is illegal.

child pornography is illegal.

jay walking = child pornography?

 

[johnnyderp]

jay walking is illegal.

child pornography is illegal.

jay walking = child pornography?

There are varying punishments for crimes for a reason. Many of the videos on wurlstah are mutual combat. There is no way to compare that to the rape of a child. Mutual combat isn't even illegal everywhere.

i understand that one crime is more severe than the other as i previously stated.

but most of those fight videos are not mutual combat. and many occur in school which is private property, & that makes the recording of them illegal.

my point was not to equate cp to fighting, but both are illegal, and both websites are promoting the acts. what makes wshh more concerning is the fact that it is presented as somewhat innocent with its url name and other categories of media they feature.

 

[atlien seeko]

jay walking is illegal.


child pornography is illegal.


jay walking = child pornography?


There are varying punishments for crimes for a reason. Many of the videos on wurlstah are mutual combat. There is no way to compare that to the rape of a child. Mutual combat isn't even illegal everywhere.

i understand that one crime is more severe than the other as i previously stated.
but most of those fight videos are not mutual combat. and many occur in school which is private property, & that makes the recording of them illegal.
my point was not to equate cp to fighting, but both are illegal, and both websites are promoting the acts. what makes wshh more concerning is the fact that it is presented as somewhat innocent with its url name and other categories of media they feature.

Stop. You browse 4chan. I can tell by your lingo. Please, take your fedora and go.

 

[johnnyderp]

Stop. You browse 4chan. I can tell by your lingo. Please, take your fedora and go.

thank you for that insightful contribution to the thread /b/ro.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

I don't really think its presented as innocent as much as presented as something people are used to. there are fight videos mixed in with music videos, naked women, and news stories.

now again, this comes back to society. why are these kind of actions considered entertainment?

why do we love violence in this country?

We condemn violence while promoting, enabling, and breeding it at the same time.

 

[4318michaeljohnson4318]

If Q didnt start WSHH someone else would have. Video media runs the world, no one wants to read. People r too simple minded to "kill" wshh. Younger cats think its entertaining when its really a minstrel show. Wonder if they think about the person who will b interviewing them in the future gets their image of black people from WSHH. 

Before worldstar wasnt Q known in certain hip hop circles? I dont think Vladtv could of been WSHH.

 

[reggiekiller]

a lot of people saying "if you remove wshh, other website will just come take its place".
this is such a lazy way to look at the situation.

just because there is an audience for something does not mean that there should be a platform for them to congregate.
for those of you who disagree, do you believe child pornography websites should be allowed on the internet? there's obviously an audience and its similar in that they both contain media of crimes being committed.

i mean, if you're not into child pornography just dont click on it right?

You're comparing something that is illegal to WSHH? Distributing child porn is an illegal activity.

Last time I checked WSHH wasn't doing anything illegal. You might want to think., and try to come back with a better analogy This one sucked.[/quote


There has absolutely been child sex on WSHH.

and recording murder is a snuff film right?]

 

[johnnyderp]

it reminds me of those cigarette ads strategically placed eye level with children to create future consumers. placed around the candy in bodegas.

this is real life violence peppered in among popular music and hiphop. it just doesnt sit well.

again im not saying it should be taken down, but maybe they could take some responsibility and rearrange some things.

celebrities go out and do wild things, and people copy them. many of these celebrities claim that they never asked for the following and dont feel a responsibility for the impact they have on them. while that may be true, dont you think it would be moral for them to understand their effect on impressionable youths and be more conscience of their actions?

thats all im asking of wshh.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

You have to have that stance towards all outlets. Hollywood, the gaming industry, the music industry, television. You could argue that these other outlets are more responsible because they create the things that help breed this kind of behavior, and make it acceptable to some people. Wurlstah is just where videos of the acts are placed.

I agree the site is a horrible place. But its entertainment for some, much like a violent horror movie or video game or drunk ignorant girls pulling out weaves (Bad Girls Club, Real World) are entertainment. We have mainly ourselves to point the finger at. It's produced and people eat it up.

 

[miniojw]

One thing that's very popular in the black community is pointing out what's wrong and crying about it without actually doing something to counteract it. I'm not saying to do something on a large scale but something local or in a household. IMO

Acknowledging the elephant in the room isn't doing anything about? Funny, I thought not doing thing is ignoring and not speaking of them.

And black people as a whole aren't doing anything, or you aren't? So NO black people are doing anything? You might what to tone down the generalizations.

Where do some of you self hating clowns come from.

Self-hate? What are you talking about? Okay, prove me wrong. Name 3 things in the last 5 to 10 years that black community was able to shut down do to its negative pretrial on a large scale with no outside help? I think that's more of an elephant in the room than WSHH.

SMH @ people always using the term "self-hate" when someone is putting out not so friendly opinions of the black community.

 

[Peep Game]

jay walking is illegal.

child pornography is illegal.

jay walking = child pornography?

 

[sreggie101]

there have always been websites exclusive to fighting and other shock videos, but wshh mixes that in with current music and other media that attracts younger crowds. i think many teens visit wshh daily as a source for news and entertainment. they associate that violence and ignorance with hiphop, and therefore consider it part of the culture. so they accept it, embrace, and encourage it.

people are always going to fight, but i think websites like these put that in a neat little platter to serve up to impressionable minds. surrounding it with women, music and comedy. it just seems irresponsible on their behalf.

extremely well said. have my reps fam.

to further build off this, wshh encourages an increasingly common and terrible trend of pulling out a cell phone and recording an act of violence, instead of u know, using said phone to call law enforcement, or if possible, intervene.

social media's rapid expansion correlates to how heavily intertwined it is in our everyday lives, at least for the avg person. we live in a world now where the right app, nets you a billion dollar buyout, or a great youtube video lands you a record deal with usher...etc. so much so do u see people looking for the chance to get in on the piece of the e fame action.

print media has long been a baseline for what i am trying to describe. Just last year, in new york city, a man fell onto the tracks, while a speeding Q train was pulling into the station. He struggled to get out onto the platform in time but failed. he died on impact. i wasn't there, so i don't know how near that train was for any help to matter, but a near by photographer who happened to work for the new york post, was more concerned with getting that cover photo payday then attempting to help.

the newspaper published anyways...

the photo of this man dying was worth more than the man's life itself. thats the way it comes off to me, and it speaks volumes about contemporary society. (generalization, but bad enough)




WSHH embodies this type of behavior. it encourages it. as the post i quoted, they package this minstrelsy of blacks, and occasionally other races with, music videos, trending vids, vines, etc, all as a one stop shop for guaranteed internet entertainment. almost entirely user generated. hence, where the WORRRLDSTARRR chant comes from when **** goes down.


Sharkeisha. Instant e-fame. for what? no1 came out of that tainted, sharkeisha ridiculed for having been name sharkeisha (that's fair) and sucker punching another girl, and the victim getting slandered and taunted for getting knocked down.

the dude who got confronted over alleged stolen shoes, stomped out, and got his sneakers took....when he actually paid for them.

etc, the list is infinite and ever growing.

Society now, has a growing trend of what some may refer to as the bystander effect. The recent death of a Elite Daily writer, a 23 yr old girl who was hit and KOd instantly, but then was stomped out continuously right outside a nightclub, even tho she was unconsious from the first hit, is a good example of this. She ended up brain dead, and was pulled off life support. a group of girls and guys beat her to death.

The Tragedy Of Kim Pham: What A Desensitized Generation Can Learn From A Senseless Loss

On January 18, during the early hours of Saturday morning, Kim Pham, a 23-year-old recent graduate and aspiring writer and talk show host, was brutally beaten outside of a nightclub in California. Following an attack by a group that allegedly consisted of three women and two men, Kim was declared brain dead. On Tuesday, she was removed from life support and was pronounced dead at 12:36 pm. The most recent reports claim that the initial argument may have been sparked due to a photobomb.

Kim was a valued contributor to Elite Daily and we are all shocked and deeply saddened to learn that she is no longer with us. Like any writer capable of providing a voice for their generation, Kim understood her peers, and she possessed the keen ability to eloquently pass along advice and inspiration that resonated with countless readers.

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In her article “These Are The 7 Biggest Fears That You Need To Avoid Having In Your Twenties,” she explores the need for her fellow 20-somethings to abandon the small fears that they encounter on a daily basis, and to take each day as an opportunity to live and love fearlessly and with renewed passion. Kim explains that fear such as the “fear of missing out on a party” or the “fear of rejection” are empty fears that only stifle personal progress.

She writes,“…living in constant fear of leaving our comfort zones, to only chase swift relief without paying attention to possibilities for growth in other avenues is becoming a serious epidemic to the most able of us all.”
Kim understood her generation of fast-paced, social-media-hungry minds that are in a constant battle with how others perceive them and how to find the most meaningful sense of fulfillment in their everyday lives.

“Our generation is at odds with a war that is seemingly more powerful than us, she notes. “Not only are we prone to needing instant gratification, we are also stuck in a generation where we recognize the conflict of demand for immediate fulfillment as real.”
While we are lucky to at least be left with Kim’s inspirational words, the unspeakable tragedy that claimed her life leaves us evaluating another aspect of our generation entirely. Unnecessary violence takes the lives of many around the world, but we find ourselves in a time when atrocities that are being filmed, but not stopped are rising at an alarming rate.

This trend of diffusing responsibility and simply “not getting involved” is not new. Perhaps the most well known case of the psychological phenomenon known as the bystander effect is the murder of Kitty Genovese. In 1964, Kitty, a 28-year-old woman at the time, was stabbed by an attacker in front of her home in a residential Queens neighborhood. Her cry for help was heard by a number of residents, which forced the attacker to flee the scene. Though when nobody stepped forward to help Genovese, the attacker returned and raped her before killing her. A witness finally called the police after the final attack.

The bystander effect is an inherent trend among people, however, in recent years and with the aid of technology, an entirely new social phenomenon has been born. One that takes the bystander effect a step further. With desensitization that has become a natural byproduct of the Internet and the media, as well as the social media craze that has enticed a generation to capture everything they see, the notion to pull out a camera in the most inappropriate of times has become as monotonous and predictable as the workings of an assembly line.

In the case of Kim, she was knocked unconscious before her attackers continued to beat her. Not surprisingly, there is video footage of the event, with bystanders crowded around, cell phones in hand.

Bystanders are not just avoiding involvement as in the case of Kitty, they are, in fact, directly involving themselves in the incident, but not doing anything to stop it. Yes, film has helped authorities make arrests, but it doesn’t save lives.

It’s discouraging to think that we have become a culture that is more likely to record an incident, such as the beating of Kim Pham, rather than make any effort to prevent the worst possible outcome. But after all, we are a generation that chooses to stare emotionlessly through a screen. If the person next to you started dancing, you would probably instinctively reach for your phone.

If you turned around to notice a beautiful sunset, your hand would probably find it’s way to your pocket while you fumbled for the camera icon. And if a 23-year-old were being mercilessly beaten on the street, too many of us would once again reach for our phones, perhaps excited by the thought of uploading it online later on, or texting it to a friend.

As for Kim, she may have fallen victim to a major flaw of the same generation that she was so interested in helping, guiding and being a part of. It almost seems too coincidental that her last post for Elite Daily, previously unpublished, profiled Kelly Thomas, a homeless schizophrenic man living in California that was beaten to death by cops, sparking a national uproar.

Every now and then people come along that can help reshape a generation’s ills and change the way we look at both ourselves and society as a whole. The term martyr tends to feel outdated, but Kim has undoubtedly left us with her greatest piece of inspiration yet, and with her unfortunate passing it’s imperative that we reflect on what our actions really say when we don’t act at all.








to wrap up, WSHH is just a big part of an even bigger problem in society today. If you choose to ignore it, dismiss it with "you soft b" or "people are soft nowadays". fine. ignorance is bliss, do you. the fact remains, that its grotesque, and every time you hit up WSHH, you help keep the founder's wallet fat, and give him every reason to keep the money coming in.

i get the site has some really funny videos, and the girl vids and vines are . i get it. and i get you see something cool one day, like an avalanche, or...idk a plane landing on a highway, or something ridiculous, and you wanna capture that moment. I GET IT.

too many times tho, people choose to film instead of help, particularly when it is within their power to do so, even if it means calling 911 instead of pressing record.


and yes, wshh is detrimental to blacks for obvious reasons. if i have to explain that, log off and stay away from the internet. seriously.

 

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