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How Many Games Will The Lakers Win With Mike D'Antoni?

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Anderson said:
If the Lakers pick him up, he definitely ain't coming off the bench dude would be playing mad starter minutes.  Forget Duhon and Morris.

"Hell yeah we worked on defense, we worked on it for 30 minutes." - MDA 
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On game day practices are only 1 hour, so they spend half of the allotted time working on D...that's fair.
 
MrDozo said:
A D'antoni team suffering from poor defense. You guys didn't see this coming?
Really? Come on
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Umm it was the same result with Mike Brown wasn't it, defense has been poor even in the preseason and still is THEY DON'T ROTATE WELL ON DEFENSE PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
 
we knick fans thought our season was a wash last year too...But Jeremy Lin happened

You guys just need a jeremy lin guy :nerd:
 
We are the laughing stock of the NBA, so be it...

We got tons of haters jumping in our threads clowning, it is what it is

We'll fix this ship, to what degree I don't know, but it won't last like this, it can't

Whether we go on an epic winning streak, or start grinding out 7 of 10 constantly, we'll fix this I have no doubt in my mind

I just hope we get fully healthy by when the playoffs start, and then start surprising people, they need a players only meeting, right now...

Someone needs to tell them, they aren't on a paycheck collecting team, there is championship hopes on this team, if you aren't going to play for it get the **** out the way...

I hope someone other than Kobe can step up and lead that meeting, its times like these were Fisher was great, I hope Pau can come in and say, "**** it i've been literary traded from this team and brought back, i've been rumored to be traded every day since, and i've bene playing with injury, i'm trying to get back so we can win another one" something like that a rallying cry for the team.

The way they've been playing is unacceptable, and they need to switch it up quick, I just hope when the Lakers click that these scrubs keep coming back into the thread and flapping their lips
 
Might be a wash?
This season is a wash.
People talkin up Delonte like he can be our savior?! Hahahhahaha

Knicks dispatched the Heat by 20 in south beach. We'll get beat down by 30.
The 2010's decade will be like the 90's for us.
We cant rule every decade.
No one stays on top forever.
Might as well start an offseason thread.
Mark my words...we wont pass 35 wins at best.
 
In general terms, the problem with this team is that it doesn't have enough players who play their roles - whether it be because they can't do their jobs consistently or they refuse to stay in their lane and insist on doing things that they're not good at. Those things sputter the offense.

World Peace is a huge reason for this problem. It's an old song, but it's true. He hinders the offense too much by dribbling into traffic and/or making the ball stick, and on top of that he's not hitting enough of his spot-up looks that do come within the flow of the offense. He's becoming indefensible because his so-called "defensive" prowess isn't having any impact. We can't defend his horrible decisions on offense because of what he brings on defense, because he's not bringing much of anything on that end either. Individually, he's not locking up any big-time scorers; Durant can still score on him more often than not, Kyrie can still lose him most possessions, and so forth. Team-wise, the Lakers aren't a good defensive team either. So what's Metta's worth? Nothing. A good game for Metta has become a game where he doesn't disrupt the team by being on the floor. A good game has become "he did nothing, but at least it wasn't negative."

Antawn and Meeks just aren't consistent. They need to be hitting their looks - Meeks on the perimeter, Antawn on the perimeter and his spots closer to the lane - for the offense to function. If they have an off night, the whole thing starts derailing. And they've had a lot of off nights.

Morris just sucks. Duhon is a very solid PG with court vision who can get things going by delivering the ball in spots. There's such a noticable difference when he sits and Morris comes in. The Lakers seem to dig their holes (or dig them deeper) when the second unit comes in, and the lack of floor leadership is why. Delonte West could hit shots and get going at least.

D'Antoni preached his offense being based on things coming in the flow. He needs to get his guys doing their jobs, nothing more, and doing them well. It's mentally tough for the entire team to keep the engine going when Metta or Meeks keeps putting the ball on the floor and driving into trouble and creating a panicked posession.

Will Steve Nash even fix the Lakers? I firmly believe yes. They won't become any better defensively, but that's not the biggest problem. It's getting guys in a flow, getting them to do their jobs, and having someone to keep leading the team when Nash is on the bench (Duhon).
 
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pr0phecy718 said:
we knick fans thought our season was a wash last year too...But Jeremy Lin happened

You guys just need a jeremy lin guy :nerd:
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Seriously, two days in a row Knick fans have come in here with more calm than ya'll. :lol:


We lost a game with Chris Duhon, and Jordan Hill starting. And Ron Artest ain't much better then that.

Yes, Kobe and Dwight should be able to win games on their own from time to time, but damn.


There are THREE players out right now, 2 of them very very good, and 1 just decent enough to keep guys like Duhon and Morris on the bench. Those lulls that we go thru in games, those don't happen when you have your full roster, deeper, with less weak players comin in and using up minutes.

Ain't eeem Christmas yet and people in bomb shelters with their helmets on. :lol:
 
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Yes, Kobe and Dwight should be able to win games on their own from time to time, but damn.
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On this point these two don't have a chemistry yet so we're not seeing them win games on their own. That's the only thing I'm worried about, but barely.
 
Zache Lowe:
Here's Why the Lakers Have Been So Terrible

It’s a refrain we’re hearing now from Mike D’Antoni’s harshest critics: The Lakers are banged up, yes, but any team with Dwight Howard and Kobe Bryant should be better than 9-13. Even worse, they're 4-8 since D’Antoni took over on the bench.


There are three things wrong with this:

• The Lakers aren’t just a little banged up. They are missing two Hall of Famers, and though one has an awkward fit in D’Antoni’s spread pick-and-roll offense — an offense that has only kind of been implemented to this point — replacing Steve Nash and Pau Gasol with Chris Duhon, Darius Morris, Antawn Jamison, and Jordan Hill is a massive downgrade. The Lakers after their first four players aren’t just bad; they are trotting out guys who are almost totally useless on either one or both ends of the floor.

• Howard is even further from peak form than most of us anticipated he would be one quarter of the way through the season.

• Bryant has been monstrously efficient on offense, but his defense has slipped horribly.

Those last two bullet points get at what is by far the largest issue facing the Lakers going forward: Their defense has fallen apart. As recently as a week ago, executives around the league were nearly unanimous in their assessment of the team: “They’ll be fine.” The Lakers were a top-10 team — and nearly a top-five team — in both points scored and allowed per possession, meaning the big picture suggested the Lakers had been somewhat unlucky, and would right themselves shortly.

They’re now down to 15th in points allowed per possession after another debacle last night in Cleveland — a game that featured a first half in which the Lakers were a borderline embarrassment of miscommunication, lurching and totally inattentive on transition defense. They have allowed 103.9 points per 100 possessions since D’Antoni took over, a mark that would rank 22nd overall. Almost every trend is going in an alarming direction.

Again, review the personnel: Jamison’s minutes have skyrocketed under D’Antoni, and he ranks as one of the worst defenders in the league. Hill would seem to represent a better answer, but the Lakers are playing significantly worse on both ends when Hill and Howard are on the floor together, per NBA.com. Metta World Peace is solid but aging, and the Lakers, in their years-long effort to preserve Bryant, have World Peace spending huge chunks of time guarding the best opposing perimeter player, regardless of position. Kyrie Irving enjoyed that:



Watch Howard’s help defense on this play. He takes a half-step off Anderson Varejao to contain Irving’s blow-by, and when Irving dumps the ball off, Howard responds with a hopeless lefty swipe at the ball. This has been the most visible effect of Howard’s back injury: He is working much more with his hands than his feet, and he cannot put together two or three hard cuts/jumps. Here’s a pick-and-roll on which Howard, again helping off of Varejao, takes a half-hearted jump-swipe at the ball and finds himself unable to mount a quick second effort:



This lack of mobility has Howard more tentative against pick-and-rolls last season than he was at his peak destructive ability in Orlando. He has so far preferred to hang back near the foul line instead of pressuring ball handlers up high, a strategy that the Lakers’ coaching staff has obviously condoned and/or encouraged. And when Howard has tried to step outside that comfort zone, non-entities like Jeremy Pargo have done things like this to him:



It is only a slight exaggeration to say that on some possessions, Howard looks more like Carlos Boozer than Dwight Howard. The net result is that teams are just eating up the Lakers inside, and you can see this in any number of troubling metrics. On a basic level, big guys on the pick-and-roll are shooting a lot, and those shots tend to be high-percentage looks; those bigs have finished 6.8 percent of opposing possessions, the 10th-highest mark in the league, per Synergy Sports. The Lakers were middle of the pack in that category last season. Teams are drawing fouls on nearly 15 percent of those possessions, the fourth-highest mark in the league.

The Lakers, in general, are suddenly fouling at a high rate — by their standards — and allowing .257 free throw attempts for every opposing field goal attempt, per NBA.com. That’s still the fifth-lowest mark in the league, but under D’Antoni, it has jumped to .287, which would rank about 20th. The Lakers have led the league in this category for three straight seasons, and foul avoidance has been perhaps the single most important factor in their maintaining a decent defense despite some of the same roster issues facing them now. If these are the early signs of a long-term shift, the Lakers are going to have a problem.

You know what else leads to easy buckets and desperate fouls? Crappy transition defense! A whopping 14.6 percent of opposing possessions have come via transition chances, the second-highest share in the league, according to Synergy. The Lakers are actually avoiding fouls in these situations; no team has committed shooting fouls on a smaller share of opposing transition chances than L.A. They are still allowing more points than average, per possession, on those chances, so the non-fouling only highlights two other things:

• They must be fouling a lot in half-court situations.

• Opponents are simply scoring regular old baskets in transition.

This is one area where Bryant has been irresponsible. Bryant didn’t belong on either of the last two All-Defensive teams (and perhaps one or two before that), but that owed more to ceding the tough regular-season assignments to World Peace than to any egregiously bad individual defense from Kobe. That has changed this season, which is why L.A. fans and neutrals are finally starting to call out Bryant’s defense. Howard was correct in pointing out that Bryant missed several basic rotations in New Orleans last week, and Bryant was similarly out of it last night in Cleveland.

Watch Kobe in the right corner stand like a statue as his man, Alonzo Gee, leaks out on this classic Duhon pratfall/turnover:



Yes, there’s a moment at which it appears Irving might lose control of the ball and turn it right back over to the Lakers, but Kobe is non-responsive even when Irving has it pretty securely.

Later in the game, both World Peace and Bryant just watched as both of their guys — Gee and C.J. Miles — ran out ahead of them after a World Peace missed jumper:



This is basically inexcusable non-effort. The Lakers visibly tried harder in the second half last night, but the breakdowns persisted, perhaps peaking on this bit of collective crunch-time failure:

http://youtu.be/saG8qoCIyG8

Howard fails to angle himself to prevent the pocket pass from Irving to Varejao. Hill, who should be helping in the paint (and is at first), gets into some bizarre shoving stalemate with Tristan Thompson that takes him out of the play. Bryant just stands, yapping, in the weakside corner instead of crashing down on Varejao. Every team doles out blame on plays like this differently, depending on systems and duties, but this is just a mess.

The Lakers’ offense is not nearly as big an issue, and it should improve upon Nash’s return; L.A. ranks a solid seventh in points per possession. But it’s still an issue in precisely the way a lot of us predicted at the start of the season, and again upon D’Antoni’s hiring: The Lakers cannot space the floor. Nobody pays attention to World Peace on the perimeter. But putting the ball in Nash’s hands will often take it out of Bryant’s, and defenses only kind of honor him as a long-range spot-up threat. And though Gasol is a solid mid-range shooter, he’s really a center who needs time and space to load up 18-foot jumpers. He is not a stretch 4 by nature, which is why Phil Jackson used Lamar Odom to break up the Gasol/Andrew Bynum duo as much as he could — especially at crunch time.

D’Antoni started the Hill/Howard pairing last night, but it just kills the Lakers’ spacing. They ran the same post-up set for Howard on several first-half possessions:

http://youtu.be/5sPstBq0N3A

It begins with Hill outside the 3-point line on the left wing, as if anyone is going to care about him there. When Duhon enters the ball to Howard on the right block, Hill cuts down toward the baseline, so as to open up a perimeter spot for Duhon — someone who can at least kind of shoot from the outside. But Hill’s presence down low only places a help defender nearby, and that help defender can help with the confidence that the teammate behind him is ignoring World Peace in the corner to sag in on Hill.

Here’s another example of the same set:

http://youtu.be/QS89xkBELJI

Both of these possessions end positively for the Lakers, with a foul and a basket. But they also end with all five Cavaliers in the paint or a half-step out of it, and there will be games against very good teams in which the spacing is just too cramped for the Lakers to score enough. We also just haven't seen Howard as a consistently dynamic pick-and-roll big, sucking defenses in with aggressive rolls to the rim and/or sealing off his guy for quick-hitting entry passes from a spot-up shooter on the same play. Howard had four more turnovers in this game, and the Lakers have the worst turnover rate in the league. They’ve been especially turnover-prone on post-ups; only the Hornets have coughed on a higher percentage of post-up plays, per Synergy.

And Howard is not the only culprit. Watch Bryant lose a chance to post up an outmatched Irving when all five Cleveland defenders converge on him in the paint:

http://youtu.be/jVRGn0UWEUk

It’s easy for the Cavs to collapse like this. Howard and Hill are standing right next to each other, and right next to the paint (or in it, in Howard’s case). Nobody is much concerned with the other two Lakers on the perimeter — World Peace and Duhon.

Again: The Lakers are talented enough to build a top-10 offense in spite of these spacing issues. Nash will help, but he won’t eliminate the problem, even though he’s probably the greatest shooter ever. Playing Jamison does loosen things, but he’s shooting 32 percent from deep and the defensive hit is huge. Finding the perfect combination of shooting and defense at power forward just might not be possible; the Lakers were counting on Howard to provide enough defense to make things work well enough.

But he’s not doing that, and things aren’t working well enough. They’ll work better when the team is healthy and has developed cohesion. But the goal is to win a title, and at 9-13, the Lakers have put themselves in a place in which they may have to win four straight road series — three in a loaded Western Conference, and then the Finals (wishful thinking now). The Lakers are so far from the level of play required to do that, it’s hard to see them getting there.
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Rockstar said:
Lakers don't completely suck, but people act like they do. The Heat lost to the worst team, the Wizards. I would be embarrassed to be a Heat fan. 
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the lakers completely suck on defense, did you see them last night trying to blame each other on not helping the helper on defense while varajeo gets a uncontested layup?
 
Curios to know the Pringles supporters think so far? Is this what you expected? Shocked? Waiting for Nash to return to fully see? Still have hope in him? What about how's he's using our roster with with system? Just curious to know what Pringles supporters think so far being 4-8.
 
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I'm not expecting Nash to make a lot difference when he gets back, if anything.. PGs will attack him more ... unless he'll start playing incredible defense :lol:

They better start winning some games or its gonna bite them in the *** later on..


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Krazyrodzilla said:
Curios to know the Pringles supports think so far? Is this what you expected? Shocked? Waiting for Nash to return to fully see? Still have hope in him? What about how's he's using our roster with with system? Just curious to know what Pringles supporters think so far being 4-8.
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i expected us to not accomplish anything with d'antoni as our head coach, i didn't think he was the right choice at all. however, i didn't expect us to suck this bad
 
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