dude loses over 300k on a poker hand..pretty sick (this for poker fans)

[craftsy21]

Originally Posted by VirgilMalloy

Originally Posted by mike23theking

Crazy EBW wrote:

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But that's cool, i'd love to play your home game if you want to overplay that KJ!!

I never said I'd
take suited K/J to the river w/ my chips. I simply stated that I'd bump it up a slight notch and if I get RR too much, it's an easy lay. C'mon
bud...






Honestly, my home game or casino...it doesn't matter. I've played Vegas, LA and Indian casinos. I'll still bump up a bit, UTG w/ strangers.


Caesars/Bike: $100-300 table w/ $1/3 blinds? Push about $6/7


Bike: $40 table $1/1 blinds? Bump it to about $3/4




See the flop. If I hit, I hit. If I miss, I miss. It costs me $4-7 to see if I spike the flop. Not much if I'm sitting on a $100-300 table, if you ask
me.

And when you get 3bet like 30% of the time you have to dump it without seeing a flop.

And when people limp after you and you get squeezed, you have no idea what to do.

And when you get min 3b and call, and see an AKJ flop, and you bet and get raised, you have no idea what to do.

And when you get 2 callers, and see a KJT flop, and you lead out and get raised, you have no idea what to do.

And when you get 3 callers, and see a K78 flop and lead out and get raised, you ahve no idea what to do.

And when you get 2 callers, and get your PICTURE PERFECT flop of KJ2, and you lead out and they both call, adh te turn is 9, and you lead out and get called or raised, you have NO IDEA WHAT TO DO.



I mean, lol.

seriously... dude can feel free to make that move continuously withme at the table.

 

[virgilmalloy]

Originally Posted by 430AM

VirgilMalloy wrote:

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mike23theking wrote:

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Crazy EBW wrote:

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But that's cool, i'd love to play your home game if you want to overplay that KJ!!

I never said
I'd


take suited K/J to the river w/ my chips. I simply stated that I'd bump it up a slight notch and if I get RR too much, it's an easy lay. C'mon


bud...














Honestly, my home game or casino...it doesn't matter. I've played Vegas, LA and Indian casinos. I'll still bump up a bit, UTG w/ strangers.






Caesars/Bike: $100-300 table w/ $1/3 blinds? Push about $6/7






Bike: $40 table $1/1 blinds? Bump it to about $3/4










See the flop. If I hit, I hit. If I miss, I miss. It costs me $4-7 to see if I spike the flop. Not much if I'm sitting on a $100-300 table, if you ask


me.














And when you get 3bet like 30% of the time you have to dump it without seeing a flop.




And when people limp after you and you get squeezed, you have no idea what to do.




And when you get min 3b and call, and see an AKJ flop, and you bet and get raised, you have no idea what to do.




And when you get 2 callers, and see a KJT flop, and you lead out and get raised, you have no idea what to do.




And when you get 3 callers, and see a K78 flop and lead out and get raised, you ahve no idea what to do.




And when you get 2 callers, and get your PICTURE PERFECT flop of KJ2, and you lead out and they both call, adh te turn is 9, and you lead out and get called
or raised, you have NO IDEA WHAT TO DO.








I mean, lol.

In any of those scenarios, more than likely KJ suited is dominated... So like everyone is trying to advise you, Your best bet is to fold.











See, that's the problem. In a lot of those scenarios, KJs is probably ahead a LOT of the time, but when you're behind you're completely crushed.How are you supposed to know which is which?

Even if the guy has complete air 70% of the time, what are you supposed to do? He has air, and he crushes you and forces you to fold. Maybe you stand up foryourself and reraise allin or continue with the hand, then what? He simply folds his air 70% of the time, and the 30% of the time he doesn't have air hewill have you completely annihilated and you are gonna get stacked.

I sound like a broken record, but position in poker is way, way more important than the actual cards you hold. Holding 72o on the button is more powerful thanholding KJo UTG. Holding 78s on the button is probably more powerful than holding AA UTG.

In a non-bubble tournament dynamic (like when I am playing in the WSOP against !@!$%! live players) I am probably running 50/40/20 from the button. I'mputting money into 50% of pots, and raising 40% of pots, and 3betting 20% of openers. I am probably running 7/7/x from UTG, never limping, and raising maybethe top 7% of hands. There are lots of cases where I squeeze or overcall mid position raises with any two cards if the players involved in the hand have reallybad leaks, just because I'll have position on them.

 

[imperialh8]

This is a pretty sick hand...Negraneu knew what was going on all the way...He just couldn't get away from the pot especially after the turn...


Check this hand out...Talk about a cold deck.....I've been in this situation before...I had Q's though.

 

[craftsy21]

Originally Posted by imperialh8

This is a pretty sick hand...Negraneu knew what was going on all the way...He just couldn't get away from the pot especially after the turn...


Check this hand out...Talk about a cold deck.....I've been in this situation before...I had Q's though.

I had a hand like that once in a really long tournament with some locals... it was getting late, we were down to about 8 people - i had pocket10's with a short stack and moved all in - another short stack pushed with pocket jacks... a guy called with King's and then got reraised all-in byaces... the kings ended up winning, knocking 3 people out i believe, including me. Pretty sick.

 

[greenflame34]

so sick

 

[jumpman23shoefan]

Sucks to be on the loosing end of that

 

[nice siopaos]

negreanu should have busted some casino royale, poison Gus's drink after losing. $300,000?!?!? aint no such thing as recession for these dudes.

 

[smoothrick007]

 

[crazy ebw]

Wheres the dude who said he'd play that KJ suited? He hasn't came back since everybody dogged him on the last page.

 

[smoothrick007]

Originally Posted by Crazy EBW

Wheres the dude who said he'd play that KJ suited? He hasn't came back since everybody dogged him on the last page.

that was me dummy

(unless there was someone else)...ive alredyexplained why..go back a few pages

 

[smoothrick007]

why would you fold KJ suited automatically? i maybe would understand if it wasnt suited but suited?..yall are too conservative players..but again like peoplehave said it depends on a lot of things

 

[mnmballa2323]

Originally Posted by 430AM

Cooler... No one in Negranu's position would fold that hand. EVER.

To the dude that asked how you play KJ suited... It's either a call or fold, but def. not a raise. I only say call if you're good at post flop play, otherwise it's a fold 80% of the time. Atleast it is for me.

ur gonna fold KJ suited for a limp blind???

 

[craftsy21]

Originally Posted by smoothrick007

why would you fold KJ suited automatically? i maybe would understand if it wasnt suited but suited?..yall are too conservative players..but again like people have said it depends on a lot of things

KJ is not as strong as you're making it out to be for one.. and secondly, you're talking about playing it UTG.

It was broken down pretty well by virgil and others - it's a crappy play because even if you're ahead in the hand after the flop, you have a hard timeknowing it - you're playing out of position.

 

[crazy ebw]

Originally Posted by smoothrick007

Originally Posted by Crazy EBW

Wheres the dude who said he'd play that KJ suited? He hasn't came back since everybody dogged him on the last page.

that was me dummy

(unless there was someone else)...ive alredy explained why..go back a few pages

I'm talking about the other guy genius.

This thread is WAY over your head fam.

 

[smoothrick007]

Originally Posted by Crazy EBW

Originally Posted by smoothrick007

Originally Posted by Crazy EBW

Wheres the dude who said he'd play that KJ suited? He hasn't came back since everybody dogged him on the last page.

that was me dummy

(unless there was someone else)...ive alredy explained why..go back a few pages

I'm talking about the other guy genius.

This thread is WAY over your head fam.

which is why i stated, " (unless there was someone else)"..no need for " "...genius"

ok this thread may be WAY over my head..but guess what...i created it

 

[slamcity]

Wow that was pretty sick

 

[mike23theking]

Originally Posted by Crazy EBW

Wheres the dude who said he'd play that KJ suited? He hasn't came back since everybody dogged him on the last page.

Damn... y'all lookin for me like that? I don't stay on NT 24/7 fam. It's all good though. You and Virgil are reading into myopinion on K/J a little too hard.

I said repeatedly, I'd drop K/J if I got RR.

Do I play a little loose? Sure. I'd still play K/J exactly the way I said it.
Do I play stupid? Not at all. I do know when to fold. And like I said, AGAIN... it would not be hard to dump a suited K/J if I got rebumped.

 

[sportinjordans916]

Originally Posted by VirgilMalloy

Originally Posted by mike23theking

davidisgodly wrote:

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JK Suited under the gun, what is your move for 1/2?

Based on the home game I play at regularly:


it's $1/1 blinds, $20-40 initial buy-in (unlimited after that)


usually sit at least 8, but we've played a full 10 plenty of times


there are tight players and there are CS's(calling stations), not to mention a few donkeys.




assuming I was first to act (@ my game and/or if I was sitting $1/2), a small raise wouldn't kill your chip stack regardless of the size/count. This could
be the very first hand or it could be 3-4 hours in. A $3/4 bump would clear "some" of the riff-raff and garbage cards. Now, if you get RR then
it'd be easy to let go.




I'm surprised to see you guys drop suited paint cards so fast and willingly. He did say 1/2, not 5/10 or some ridiculously high stakes game.




You guys must be the ones who sit and wait for "Aces or better".. Me? Lemme see a flop for a few bucks.

Lol, no. I would be shocked if my pfr isn't 10 points higher than anyone else on this site. But raising 72o on the button is a MUCH better play than raising KJs utg. (or, less bad, I should say)
I would be shocked if your pfr is higher than mine period - my post flop game is on point

Virgil knows his stuff so for your answers that are "Best" to your questions he knows his stuff... you guys saying "I usually do this orthat" without having the logic behind it doesn't mean its the optimal play in the situation...

Glad to see some interest in this thread and some discussion...

Virgil I'm assuming you post 2+2 or P5? Card Runners? Good Luck to you in the 1.5k & ME

 

[sportinjordans916]

FINAL ANSWER: If your playing a Full Ring Cash Game Long Term it is the losing play to make to open KJs. If you areplaying a SNG or MTT or SHORT HANDED game it can definitely be a profitable correct decision; however it is more situational... There are times when it isextremely profitable to shove 27o in tournaments as well as folding AA in Satellite tournaments

Virgil what site(s) do you play?

 

[virgilmalloy]

Originally Posted by smoothrick007

why would you fold KJ suited automatically? i maybe would understand if it wasnt suited but suited?..yall are too conservative players..but again like people
have said it depends on a lot of things

I mean... I already explained why playing KJs utg is terrible. And, lol at me being conservative. At the 1knl game at my local casino I'm known as amaniac.

 

[virgilmalloy]

Originally Posted by sportinjordans916

VirgilMalloy wrote:

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mike23theking wrote:

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davidisgodly wrote:

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JK Suited under the gun, what is your move for 1/2?

Based on the home game I play at regularly:






it's $1/1 blinds, $20-40 initial buy-in (unlimited after that)






usually sit at least 8, but we've played a full 10 plenty of times






there are tight players and there are CS's(calling stations), not to mention a few donkeys.










assuming I was first to act (@ my game and/or if I was sitting $1/2), a small raise wouldn't kill your chip stack regardless of the size/count. This
could


be the very first hand or it could be 3-4 hours in. A $3/4 bump would clear "some" of the riff-raff and garbage cards. Now, if you get RR then


it'd be easy to let go.










I'm surprised to see you guys drop suited paint cards so fast and willingly. He did say 1/2, not 5/10 or some ridiculously high stakes game.










You guys must be the ones who sit and wait for "Aces or better".. Me? Lemme see a flop for a few bucks.














Lol, no. I would be shocked if my pfr isn't 10 points higher than anyone else on this site. But raising 72o on the button is a MUCH better play than
raising KJs utg. (or, less bad, I should say)

I would be shocked if your pfr is higher than mine period - my post flop game is on point

Virgil knows his stuff so for your answers that are "Best" to your questions he knows his stuff... you guys saying "I usually do this or
that" without having the logic behind it doesn't mean its the optimal play in the situation...




Glad to see some interest in this thread and some discussion...




Virgil I'm assuming you post 2+2 or P5? Card Runners? Good Luck to you in the 1.5k & ME






Yeah, I'm a pretty regular poster on 2p2, I have almost 4k posts there. Ironically, a 2+2 member who was also a niketalk member recognized me from NTbecause of my avatar.

I'm pretty nitty online since I have so many tables going on at once, but my HUSNG stats are like 55/51. I run about 30/27 in 6max and about 14/12 in fullring.

In a live full ring game or tournament, I run about 25/21 at the early levels, which is super laggy, but not insane, and then higher or lower from theredepending on how things change. The real difference between me and a normal player isn't VPIP or PFR though, its probably my 3b frequency and turn/riveraggression. Lots of people are agro on the flop, but I 2bar and 3bar against the right types of players a lot more frequently than most.

 

[virgilmalloy]

I play lots of MTTs on Stars and FTP, but (get ready to lol) well over half of my HUSNG and SNG action is on AP. Scandal and !$+@#* software / managementaside, the players there are so bad it's pretty unbelievable. I win 53.6% of my HUSNGs on Tilt but 58.2% on AP - that's an enormous difference in termsof ROI. Plus, I get sick rakeback, am on the leaderboard every week I play SNGs, etc. I stil play HUSNG/SNGs on FTP whenever AP is dead and I need action, butmy ROI there is way worse.

 

[smoothrick007]

Originally Posted by VirgilMalloy

Originally Posted by smoothrick007

why would you fold KJ suited automatically? i maybe would understand if it wasnt suited but suited?..yall are too conservative players..but again like people
have said it depends on a lot of things

I mean... I already explained why playing KJs utg is terrible. And, lol at me being conservative. At the 1knl game at my local casino I'm known as a maniac.

didnt really much read it..but just read it and very useful information....looks like i got a lot to learn..and i mean ALOT to learn..didnt knowthere was this whole different view on poker...you must be a good poker player

so UTG what do you call with or raise? just AA and KK or what?

 

[ikari xd]

everything is situation dependent. if you dont know what youre going to do with your hand when you get 3betted, dont bother playing it, since you get 3betted alot in the current game i think. that might be as simple and safe as the advice can get while not giving up much value.

 

[crazy ebw]

Originally Posted by VirgilMalloy

I play lots of MTTs on Stars and FTP, but (get ready to lol) well over half of my HUSNG and SNG action is on AP. Scandal and !$+@#* software / management aside, the players there are so bad it's pretty unbelievable. I win 53.6% of my HUSNGs on Tilt but 58.2% on AP - that's an enormous difference in terms of ROI. Plus, I get sick rakeback, am on the leaderboard every week I play SNGs, etc. I stil play HUSNG/SNGs on FTP whenever AP is dead and I need action, but my ROI there is way worse.

I kinda miss FTP. I use to enjoy playing the bounty tourneys a lot. It made people even looser because they were straight up trying to collectbounties. If you win one of those 90 man SNGs you're bound to knock out at least 5 peeps and get your buy in back+bounty+prize pool. Might have to load upagain soon.