Hilarious! ^ Thanks for that.
Hes probably just testing them out to see how they would sell. Do note that all of the GS shoes for sale on Randy's site are IVs (DBs, Pinks, and Cements). In addition, Black Cement IIIs in GS size were available before the release date, as well as Concords. These fake makers are making shoes that they know are going to be most in demand with the women. You really can't take it as a indication of being real.
Originally Posted by TheDanimal
I just read that entire thread yesterday and have to say that it was. The main thing that I took away from it was the amount of damage that can be done with one legit shoe and access to people skilled in the production/alteration/manufacturing of shoes. It's been widely accepted that LEGIT shoes do in fact leak out from factories during production prior to release. Yet, I would think the sizes available would be rather limited and extremely unpredictable. I mean it's not like they really need to reverse engineer the XI's per se anymore, because they've been attempting to remake the same shoe for the past 16 years.
JB can't even perfectly recreate their own shoes, so how can these re-sellers?
Whether we agree or not with their decisions, design/material changes are all conscious decisions made by JB. People complained the toe box on 3's and 13's creased too easily, so they switched to some pleather u can drive a mack truck over.
Final thing that has stuck with me about the whole SDS, AR, et al. fiasco is the pricing point of the shoes. We've seen catalog shots announcing new shoes, and if I remember correctly, FTL, FL, Eastbay pay about $92 per pair on 11's. Since Nike likely makes the shoes for $5 or less it's likely that Nike and their retailers get about the same profit per pair of about $90. Although AR, SDS and such obviously wont experience the same economies of scale as Nike/JB (per unit savings based on size of operation). Who's to say that they can't get access to quality materials and produce a great replica for $50-$100 and still make as much profit per pair as any authorized retailer. With access to one legit shoe, bootleggers can easily make the necessary changes to match the current release (blue tinted soles, reversed jumpman, etc). And once those recreations are being produced, why not sprinkle the few legit pairs they could obtain in to spread doubt among consumers (they are fake, "well mine are real, they are legit").
Feel free to correct any misconceptions I may have. Just my $.02 from an outsider.
Originally Posted by TheDanimal
I just read that entire thread yesterday and have to say that it was. The main thing that I took away from it was the amount of damage that can be done with one legit shoe and access to people skilled in the production/alteration/manufacturing of shoes. It's been widely accepted that LEGIT shoes do in fact leak out from factories during production prior to release. Yet, I would think the sizes available would be rather limited and extremely unpredictable. I mean it's not like they really need to reverse engineer the XI's per se anymore, because they've been attempting to remake the same shoe for the past 16 years.
JB can't even perfectly recreate their own shoes, so how can these re-sellers?
Whether we agree or not with their decisions, design/material changes are all conscious decisions made by JB. People complained the toe box on 3's and 13's creased too easily, so they switched to some pleather u can drive a mack truck over.
Final thing that has stuck with me about the whole SDS, AR, et al. fiasco is the pricing point of the shoes. We've seen catalog shots announcing new shoes, and if I remember correctly, FTL, FL, Eastbay pay about $92 per pair on 11's. Since Nike likely makes the shoes for $5 or less it's likely that Nike and their retailers get about the same profit per pair of about $90. Although AR, SDS and such obviously wont experience the same economies of scale as Nike/JB (per unit savings based on size of operation). Who's to say that they can't get access to quality materials and produce a great replica for $50-$100 and still make as much profit per pair as any authorized retailer. With access to one legit shoe, bootleggers can easily make the necessary changes to match the current release (blue tinted soles, reversed jumpman, etc). And once those recreations are being produced, why not sprinkle the few legit pairs they could obtain in to spread doubt among consumers (they are fake, "well mine are real, they are legit").
Feel free to correct any misconceptions I may have. Just my $.02 from an outsider.
QFT2Originally Posted by DRO3000
Originally Posted by TheDanimal
I just read that entire thread yesterday and have to say that it was. The main thing that I took away from it was the amount of damage that can be done with one legit shoe and access to people skilled in the production/alteration/manufacturing of shoes. It's been widely accepted that LEGIT shoes do in fact leak out from factories during production prior to release. Yet, I would think the sizes available would be rather limited and extremely unpredictable. I mean it's not like they really need to reverse engineer the XI's per se anymore, because they've been attempting to remake the same shoe for the past 16 years.
JB can't even perfectly recreate their own shoes, so how can these re-sellers?
Whether we agree or not with their decisions, design/material changes are all conscious decisions made by JB. People complained the toe box on 3's and 13's creased too easily, so they switched to some pleather u can drive a mack truck over.
Final thing that has stuck with me about the whole SDS, AR, et al. fiasco is the pricing point of the shoes. We've seen catalog shots announcing new shoes, and if I remember correctly, FTL, FL, Eastbay pay about $92 per pair on 11's. Since Nike likely makes the shoes for $5 or less it's likely that Nike and their retailers get about the same profit per pair of about $90. Although AR, SDS and such obviously wont experience the same economies of scale as Nike/JB (per unit savings based on size of operation). Who's to say that they can't get access to quality materials and produce a great replica for $50-$100 and still make as much profit per pair as any authorized retailer. With access to one legit shoe, bootleggers can easily make the necessary changes to match the current release (blue tinted soles, reversed jumpman, etc). And once those recreations are being produced, why not sprinkle the few legit pairs they could obtain in to spread doubt among consumers (they are fake, "well mine are real, they are legit").
Feel free to correct any misconceptions I may have. Just my $.02 from an outsider.
QFT
my thoughts exactly
Originally Posted by memphissfinest
QFT2Originally Posted by DRO3000
Originally Posted by TheDanimal
I just read that entire thread yesterday and have to say that it was. The main thing that I took away from it was the amount of damage that can be done with one legit shoe and access to people skilled in the production/alteration/manufacturing of shoes. It's been widely accepted that LEGIT shoes do in fact leak out from factories during production prior to release. Yet, I would think the sizes available would be rather limited and extremely unpredictable. I mean it's not like they really need to reverse engineer the XI's per se anymore, because they've been attempting to remake the same shoe for the past 16 years.
JB can't even perfectly recreate their own shoes, so how can these re-sellers?
Whether we agree or not with their decisions, design/material changes are all conscious decisions made by JB. People complained the toe box on 3's and 13's creased too easily, so they switched to some pleather u can drive a mack truck over.
Final thing that has stuck with me about the whole SDS, AR, et al. fiasco is the pricing point of the shoes. We've seen catalog shots announcing new shoes, and if I remember correctly, FTL, FL, Eastbay pay about $92 per pair on 11's. Since Nike likely makes the shoes for $5 or less it's likely that Nike and their retailers get about the same profit per pair of about $90. Although AR, SDS and such obviously wont experience the same economies of scale as Nike/JB (per unit savings based on size of operation). Who's to say that they can't get access to quality materials and produce a great replica for $50-$100 and still make as much profit per pair as any authorized retailer. With access to one legit shoe, bootleggers can easily make the necessary changes to match the current release (blue tinted soles, reversed jumpman, etc). And once those recreations are being produced, why not sprinkle the few legit pairs they could obtain in to spread doubt among consumers (they are fake, "well mine are real, they are legit").
Feel free to correct any misconceptions I may have. Just my $.02 from an outsider.
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