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How is that disingenuous? The object of pointing that out was to illustrate the point that nuts, seeds, and many of the foods that you vegans praise have large quantities of nutritional items that are not desirable, as is the case with meat. Yet you people parade around as if they don't. You conveniently left that fact out in order to perpetuate the myth that all nuts, seeds, and legumes are completely and utterly healthy and contain no drawbacks to eating them in quantities that get you the RDAs of various nutrients. [color= rgb(255, 255, 0)]My statement was not typed with the intention of putting one diet above the other (in that sense, any way).[/color]
You're just taking a different, more difficult, and less delicious way to the top of the satiation mountain.
Right, and you're not promoting one diet over another...
Let's talk about portion sizes for a moment. Again, beef liver is your gold standard in B3, right? You were the one to say, "If that piece of steak contains 50% of your required fat consumption for the day, cool," correct?
Let's look at beef liver: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3470/2 Mmm... pan fried beef liver - with that wonderful 14.2 mg of Niacin in just one slice. You also get a full 21.5 grams of protein - 43% of your RDA, and only 6% of your saturated fat! Chew on that, hippies!
Oh... wait a second... that also provides 103% of your RDA of dietary cholesterol. So, if that's the only thing you eat all day - you're still OD'ing.
Chicken has lower cholesterol, but the Vega supplement I mentioned has less fat. So if your whole point was that beef steak is a healthier source of Niacin, you're wrong, and if your point was that you can't get a "significant" quantity of B3 from a plant source, you're ALSO wrong. Again that's ONE serving of beef.
Keep in mind, you ALSO said "Just because its made up in a laboratory doesn't mean its "fake" or "unnatural"." So do NOT come back by saying that there's something wrong with using a vegan dietary supplement.
Split hairs if you like.
What I care about is this: you can get all of your vitamins and minerals from a healthy plant based diet.
I'm going to need links to the studies that allude to these facts. Of course, these studies also have to require subjects that consume meat with "portioning" in mind (which is what I'm arguing), which I doubt they do. Keep in mind that your statement was that the mere consumption of red meat has been linked to cancer, no matter the amount. I'm going to create a study in which I monitor the health of people who consume a large amount of peanuts every single day, for the rest of their lives. What do you suppose the results of that study will be? I'm willing to bet that they won't be in the best of health with all that saturated fat in their systems.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR2009032301626.html I believe it was on the front page that day.
Those who ate FOUR OUNCES of red meat a day - around one SMALL hamburger - were THIRTY PERCENT more likely to die of heart disease and cancer within ten years.
Don't tell me four ounces fits outside your definition of a "sensible serving." Again, the N for that one was 500,000 people. Big enough sample for you?
When that B3 argument was made, it was made with the notion of serving size in mind. I knew you would come back and list some type of nut and claim that its high in B3 as well, and I exploited the fact that the serving size required to get your RDA was unhealthy. Of course, the meat items that are high in B3 also contain undesirable quantities of nutritional items (liver contains an inordinate amount of cholesterol), however the point was to illustrate the similarities in the flaws of both types of diets. You fell right in to the trap.
You're so proud of yourself - but what did you accomplish?
You said that you CAN'T get enough Niacin from a plant based source. I said that you can. You griped about saturated fats. No problem. I linked you to a source that offers all the B3 you need without all the fat.
Way to go. You certainly showed me.
If you think factory farming is a great idea because you consider it easy and tasty, that's on you - but you can't sit here, with any background in nutrition, and pretend that a well-planned vegan diet is unhealthy.
Straw man. That is not the point I'm presenting.
Then you shouldn't have presented in that throw-in line about difficulty and flavor in your arrogance.
If you agree that a well planned vegan diet is unhealthy, then you're only succeeded in traveling the long way around the block to argue a moot point.