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to bad he bomb the interview a few years ago.
Goodbye, 2010 COLLEGE FOOTBALL SEASON - twas a great year,
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this marcus Dupree 30 for 30 is real good
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this marcus Dupree 30 for 30 is real good
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^^^ from what I understand, all things even (all 1 loss B10 teams), Wisconsin is the team on the outside looking in for a Rose Bowl birth...
@ the DA videos....
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^^^ from what I understand, all things even (all 1 loss B10 teams), Wisconsin is the team on the outside looking in for a Rose Bowl birth...
@ the DA videos....
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You're right, actually Ohio State would be the Big 10 team on the outside lookin in on a BCS birth.
Wisconsin or Stanford for a Fiesta Bowl Birth.
Wisconsin or Stanford for a Fiesta Bowl Birth.
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You're right, actually Ohio State would be the Big 10 team on the outside lookin in on a BCS birth.
Wisconsin or Stanford for a Fiesta Bowl Birth.
Wisconsin or Stanford for a Fiesta Bowl Birth.
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While Oregon's SOS only ranks 36th, that is better than 40th (Auburn) and 62nd (TCU)...Originally Posted by Trelvis Tha Thrilla
I could do the same thing for Oregons schedule if you would like. We all know its full of 1,2, and 3 win teams. TCU has beat just as many ranked teams as Oregon has.Originally Posted by ninjallamafromhell
Oregon State 4-4 Quality wins: Arizona 29-27 Noteworthy Losses: Washington 35-34, UCLA 17-14
Tennessee Tech 4-5 Quality wins: None Noteworthy Losses: Southeast Missouri State, Tennessee-Martin, Austin Peay, Murray State
Baylor 7-3 Quality wins: Kansas State 47-42, Texas 30-22 (I guess) Noteworthy Losses: No one terrible yet
Southern Methodist 5-5 Quality wins: None unless you want to count Washington state or Tulane Noteworthy Losses: Any decent team they've played
Colorado State 3-7 Quality wins: Idaho 36-34Noteworthy Losses: Miami(OH) 31-10, San Diego State 49-27
Wyoming 2-8 Quality wins: None Noteworthy Losses: Shorter to list who they've beat, Toledo and Southern Utah
BYU 4-5 Quality wins: None Noteworthy Losses: Utah State 31-16
Air Force 6-4 Quality wins: None Noteworthy Losses: San Diego State 27-25
UNLV 1-8 Quality wins:Noteworthy Losses: Having a football team
Utah 8-1 Quality wins: None Noteworthy Losses: None
Just saying....
Portland State 2-7
Washington State 1-9
Tennessee 3-6
Washington 3-6
Im not in here to talk schedule trash talk. I am not in here to hype up the MWC. All I am saying is the "week in and week out" argument is false for every conference outside of the SEC and even still those teams still have cupcakes on their schedule also.
There is also not an advantage to being a non-AQ school. None of your favorite teams would switch places with TCU and Boise if they had to.
Also just FYI, you keep putting SDSU in noteworthy loss column, they are 7-2 and should be 8-1 if they wouldnt have been hosed by BYU review crew.
Funny...Oregon's SOS is actually the weakest in the Pac-10...at 36th...
Funny too that 7 of the Top 10 SOS's are in the Pac-10...for you SEC guys (or Cam Newton if you are reading this)...that means that the Pac-10 has more Top 10 SOS's than any other conference...
Oregon State played both TCU and Boise State this year...which, will probably prevent them from finishing the season in the Top 25...they end up play five Top 10 teams...IN ONE SEASON...BTW...Auburn will play one team in the Top 10 (LSU) this entire year...hmmm...reality check SEC fan...
Funny still that Oregon's three remaining games are against the teams with the #2, #7 and #12 SOS in the nation...so...you guys can talk records and rankings all you want, but the Pac-10 plays a quality schedule and they don't rely on the bias of the media and the Multi-Billion dollar SEC/ESPN contract to hype their programs knowing that higher ranked SEC teams means higher TV ratings, which means more money in the pockets of Mickey (minus USC...who, might as well be an SEC team...because, "if you ain't cheatin'...you ain't tryin'")
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc10.htm
That's not to discredit TCU...there needs to be a playoff, because at the end of the day...without one...it becomes a popularity contest / money grab for the NCAA, BCS Conferences and TV Networks...Alabama v Utah and Oklahoma v Boise St show you that non-BCS schools can compete with the big boys...how many times do they need to prove it?
JM
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While Oregon's SOS only ranks 36th, that is better than 40th (Auburn) and 62nd (TCU)...Originally Posted by Trelvis Tha Thrilla
I could do the same thing for Oregons schedule if you would like. We all know its full of 1,2, and 3 win teams. TCU has beat just as many ranked teams as Oregon has.Originally Posted by ninjallamafromhell
Oregon State 4-4 Quality wins: Arizona 29-27 Noteworthy Losses: Washington 35-34, UCLA 17-14
Tennessee Tech 4-5 Quality wins: None Noteworthy Losses: Southeast Missouri State, Tennessee-Martin, Austin Peay, Murray State
Baylor 7-3 Quality wins: Kansas State 47-42, Texas 30-22 (I guess) Noteworthy Losses: No one terrible yet
Southern Methodist 5-5 Quality wins: None unless you want to count Washington state or Tulane Noteworthy Losses: Any decent team they've played
Colorado State 3-7 Quality wins: Idaho 36-34Noteworthy Losses: Miami(OH) 31-10, San Diego State 49-27
Wyoming 2-8 Quality wins: None Noteworthy Losses: Shorter to list who they've beat, Toledo and Southern Utah
BYU 4-5 Quality wins: None Noteworthy Losses: Utah State 31-16
Air Force 6-4 Quality wins: None Noteworthy Losses: San Diego State 27-25
UNLV 1-8 Quality wins:Noteworthy Losses: Having a football team
Utah 8-1 Quality wins: None Noteworthy Losses: None
Just saying....
Portland State 2-7
Washington State 1-9
Tennessee 3-6
Washington 3-6
Im not in here to talk schedule trash talk. I am not in here to hype up the MWC. All I am saying is the "week in and week out" argument is false for every conference outside of the SEC and even still those teams still have cupcakes on their schedule also.
There is also not an advantage to being a non-AQ school. None of your favorite teams would switch places with TCU and Boise if they had to.
Also just FYI, you keep putting SDSU in noteworthy loss column, they are 7-2 and should be 8-1 if they wouldnt have been hosed by BYU review crew.
Funny...Oregon's SOS is actually the weakest in the Pac-10...at 36th...
Funny too that 7 of the Top 10 SOS's are in the Pac-10...for you SEC guys (or Cam Newton if you are reading this)...that means that the Pac-10 has more Top 10 SOS's than any other conference...
Oregon State played both TCU and Boise State this year...which, will probably prevent them from finishing the season in the Top 25...they end up play five Top 10 teams...IN ONE SEASON...BTW...Auburn will play one team in the Top 10 (LSU) this entire year...hmmm...reality check SEC fan...
Funny still that Oregon's three remaining games are against the teams with the #2, #7 and #12 SOS in the nation...so...you guys can talk records and rankings all you want, but the Pac-10 plays a quality schedule and they don't rely on the bias of the media and the Multi-Billion dollar SEC/ESPN contract to hype their programs knowing that higher ranked SEC teams means higher TV ratings, which means more money in the pockets of Mickey (minus USC...who, might as well be an SEC team...because, "if you ain't cheatin'...you ain't tryin'")
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc10.htm
That's not to discredit TCU...there needs to be a playoff, because at the end of the day...without one...it becomes a popularity contest / money grab for the NCAA, BCS Conferences and TV Networks...Alabama v Utah and Oklahoma v Boise St show you that non-BCS schools can compete with the big boys...how many times do they need to prove it?
JM
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[h1]Consider the source on Newton story[/h1]/sports.cbsimg.net/images/cbss/ui5/authors/70x60/8450.jpg")">http://sports.cbsimg.net/...rs/70x60/8450.jpg") no-repeat scroll left top white; height: 60px;" width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> By Gregg Doyel
CBSSports.com National Columnist
Nov. 9, 2010Tell Gregg your opinion!
If it's all the same to you, I'm going to believe in the eligibility of Cam Newton. I'm going to believe in Auburn. I'm not going to believe in the sanctity of college football, because my naïvetÃ[emoji]169[/emoji] goes only so far, but I am going to believe in the eligibility -- until proven otherwise -- of Newton, the best player in college football.
Why would I do such a thing now, with the world coming down on Newton like a condemned building? Because after Reggie Bush lost his Heisman, and after Butch Davis had an agent's runner on his coaching staff, and after Marcell Dareus and Marvin Austin and Weslye Saunders, I'm tired of believing in slime.
And, in a possibly related sentence, I'm not prepared to believe in John Bond.
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Or in ESPN.com. Or in The New York Times.
Bond is the former Mississippi State quarterback being held up by ESPN.com and the Times as a trustworthy source, and he may well be that. But to me, he looks like a Mississippi State booster. Why would I trust a Mississippi State booster on such a damaging story about Newton -- who chose Auburn after spurning Mississippi State?
I wouldn't. Not yet. It's way too soon to trust John Bond. I'm still trying to figure out who he is, and why he figures into this story in the first place. I mean, I know who he was. He was a quarterback at Mississippi State in the early 1980s and later a graduate assistant coach at Mississippi State. And then he went to work in construction, for a company that has built game-day condos near the Mississippi State football stadium.
So who is John Bond? He's a Mississippi State guy who feels he has done enough talking for now. Bond had his attorney, Phil Abernathy of Jackson, Miss., call me Monday to decline comment for this story.
But Abernathy did tell me one thing. Well, he implied one thing. He implied that ESPN.com and The New York Times made an enormous error in their stories -- the same error, it turns out. And it's an error so large that, if this were a court of law, the case against Cam Newton would be thrown out in a hail of laughter.
Before I tell you the error, let me tell you the background:
Last week, Bond told ESPN.com and the Times that someone claiming to represent Newton had offered him to Mississippi State for a large sum of money, back when Newton was in junior college during the 2009-10 school year. ESPN.com and the Times reported that the middle man in question, the guy trying to sell Newton to Bond, was Bond's former teammate at Mississippi State, Kenny Rogers.
That would be a first-hand witness, speaking on the record, about a major NCAA violation. Short of a paper trail, that would be some damning evidence.
If it were accurate.
But it's not.
"John Bond never named Kenny Rogers," Abernathy told me, implying that ESPN.com and The New York Times had erred in their reporting.
This isn't about annointing Newton for sainthood, just about getting the facts straight.(Getty Images)
But don't take Abernathy's implication for it. I can do better than a stinking implication. The day after ESPN.com and the Times pinned their expose of Cam Newton's recruitment to a conversation between Rogers and Bond, that conversation was torpedoed -- by Bond himself. He went on a radio show in Atlanta on Friday and confessed that Kenny Rogers had never asked him for money for Cam Newton.
Read that sentence again.
Here's what Bond told the WCNN radio show, Buck and Kincade, when he was asked about getting an offer from Rogers:
"Actually, there were two people in between it but, basically, yes, that's what happened."
Actually, there were two people in between Rogers and Bond?
Actually?
Bond isn't a source -- he's a gossip. He doesn't have information. He has a rumor. He's the fourth person in a game of telephone tag that started with Rogers -- allegedly -- and went through two other people before landing in the lap of Mississippi State devotee John Bond.
And that's enough to throw Cam Newton and Auburn under the bus?
No. Of course it's not. Even if you're an Alabama fan, you have to see this for the unfair sucker punch that it is. ESPN.com and the Times probably owe Newton a retraction and an apology. They definitely owe an updated story explaining that their source, John Bond, wasn't giving first-hand information but was spreading fourth-hand gossip.
While we're waiting for that, and for pigs to fly ...
Heisman voters should vote for Cam Newton, and Top 25 pollsters should vote for Auburn, with no regrets. Look, something illegal may well have happened involving Cam Newton's recruitment. I'm not so naïve, so stubbornly bent on believing in Newton, that I refuse to accept that possibility. But I do refuse to accept the reporting of ESPN.com and the Times. They took a rumor, now reaching its fifth layer -- the reporters themselves -- and used it to bury Cam Newton.
And some fools believed every word of it. Read this utter nonsense -- 750 words of non sequiturs, one after another -- for an example of the blind following the blind. That story was so bad, so baldly unfair, that it was rewarded by someone at the University of Florida with a scoop: Cam Newton, allegedly, was accused several times of academic cheating while at Florida.
And maybe he did cheat while at Florida. I'm not here to tell you Cam Newton is a choir boy. In fact, for the sake of argument, I'll concede the point simply to make this larger point:
In the grand scheme of things, as the world is being asked to consider John Bond's fourth-hand "information" about Kenny Rogers, Newton's academics at Florida are immaterial.
But this smear job now has escalated to the point where Florida isn't even pretending to stay out of it. It's no coincidence that Bond's "information" -- which he shared almost 10 months ago with Mississippi State -- is coming out now that Florida has fallen by the wayside while Auburn has surged to No. 2 in the BCS. Even before the latest academic allegations came out, Meyer was said to be in the middle of the Bond-Newton saga.
Now, it's official. Newton's academic record at Florida could have been leaked any number of ways, but the most obvious way -- the most transparent -- was for it to come from Florida. So that's what I believe.
But now I want to know more. I want to know what the University of Florida is going to do about the apparent leak of academic information about one of its former students. That's a federal crime, and as a UF graduate, I want answers.
Also, I want an answer to this question: What did Meyer sidekick Dan Mullen, the Mississippi State coach once expected to sign Newton out of junior college, have to do with the John Bond leak?
As for me, I want to know more about John Bond. Who is he? What role does he play at Mississippi State? And why should anybody believe his gossip?
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[h1]Consider the source on Newton story[/h1]/sports.cbsimg.net/images/cbss/ui5/authors/70x60/8450.jpg")">http://sports.cbsimg.net/...rs/70x60/8450.jpg") no-repeat scroll left top white; height: 60px;" width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> By Gregg Doyel
CBSSports.com National Columnist
Nov. 9, 2010Tell Gregg your opinion!
If it's all the same to you, I'm going to believe in the eligibility of Cam Newton. I'm going to believe in Auburn. I'm not going to believe in the sanctity of college football, because my naïvetÃ[emoji]169[/emoji] goes only so far, but I am going to believe in the eligibility -- until proven otherwise -- of Newton, the best player in college football.
Why would I do such a thing now, with the world coming down on Newton like a condemned building? Because after Reggie Bush lost his Heisman, and after Butch Davis had an agent's runner on his coaching staff, and after Marcell Dareus and Marvin Austin and Weslye Saunders, I'm tired of believing in slime.
And, in a possibly related sentence, I'm not prepared to believe in John Bond.
More Newton Coverage Columns
Cameron Newton has inside Heisman position and 10-0 Auburn at No. 2, but the SEC now must wake up and smell the scandal. Read More >>Tony Barnhart
Hold on: Let's not nail Newton for Reggie Bush's sins. Read More >>Related Links
- Stoops: 'Nothing at all' odd in Newton recruitment
- Report: Newton in scandals at UF
- Chizik: Newton allegations are 'pure garbage'
- AD: Newton has been 'completely honest'
- Meyer denies any role in Newton saga
- Jacobi: What does this all mean?
- Newton is No. 1 in Heisman race
Videos
- Does this hurt Newton's Heisman hopes?
Or in ESPN.com. Or in The New York Times.
Bond is the former Mississippi State quarterback being held up by ESPN.com and the Times as a trustworthy source, and he may well be that. But to me, he looks like a Mississippi State booster. Why would I trust a Mississippi State booster on such a damaging story about Newton -- who chose Auburn after spurning Mississippi State?
I wouldn't. Not yet. It's way too soon to trust John Bond. I'm still trying to figure out who he is, and why he figures into this story in the first place. I mean, I know who he was. He was a quarterback at Mississippi State in the early 1980s and later a graduate assistant coach at Mississippi State. And then he went to work in construction, for a company that has built game-day condos near the Mississippi State football stadium.
So who is John Bond? He's a Mississippi State guy who feels he has done enough talking for now. Bond had his attorney, Phil Abernathy of Jackson, Miss., call me Monday to decline comment for this story.
But Abernathy did tell me one thing. Well, he implied one thing. He implied that ESPN.com and The New York Times made an enormous error in their stories -- the same error, it turns out. And it's an error so large that, if this were a court of law, the case against Cam Newton would be thrown out in a hail of laughter.
Before I tell you the error, let me tell you the background:
Last week, Bond told ESPN.com and the Times that someone claiming to represent Newton had offered him to Mississippi State for a large sum of money, back when Newton was in junior college during the 2009-10 school year. ESPN.com and the Times reported that the middle man in question, the guy trying to sell Newton to Bond, was Bond's former teammate at Mississippi State, Kenny Rogers.
That would be a first-hand witness, speaking on the record, about a major NCAA violation. Short of a paper trail, that would be some damning evidence.
If it were accurate.
But it's not.
"John Bond never named Kenny Rogers," Abernathy told me, implying that ESPN.com and The New York Times had erred in their reporting.
This isn't about annointing Newton for sainthood, just about getting the facts straight.(Getty Images)
But don't take Abernathy's implication for it. I can do better than a stinking implication. The day after ESPN.com and the Times pinned their expose of Cam Newton's recruitment to a conversation between Rogers and Bond, that conversation was torpedoed -- by Bond himself. He went on a radio show in Atlanta on Friday and confessed that Kenny Rogers had never asked him for money for Cam Newton.
Read that sentence again.
Here's what Bond told the WCNN radio show, Buck and Kincade, when he was asked about getting an offer from Rogers:
"Actually, there were two people in between it but, basically, yes, that's what happened."
Actually, there were two people in between Rogers and Bond?
Actually?
Bond isn't a source -- he's a gossip. He doesn't have information. He has a rumor. He's the fourth person in a game of telephone tag that started with Rogers -- allegedly -- and went through two other people before landing in the lap of Mississippi State devotee John Bond.
And that's enough to throw Cam Newton and Auburn under the bus?
No. Of course it's not. Even if you're an Alabama fan, you have to see this for the unfair sucker punch that it is. ESPN.com and the Times probably owe Newton a retraction and an apology. They definitely owe an updated story explaining that their source, John Bond, wasn't giving first-hand information but was spreading fourth-hand gossip.
While we're waiting for that, and for pigs to fly ...
Heisman voters should vote for Cam Newton, and Top 25 pollsters should vote for Auburn, with no regrets. Look, something illegal may well have happened involving Cam Newton's recruitment. I'm not so naïve, so stubbornly bent on believing in Newton, that I refuse to accept that possibility. But I do refuse to accept the reporting of ESPN.com and the Times. They took a rumor, now reaching its fifth layer -- the reporters themselves -- and used it to bury Cam Newton.
And some fools believed every word of it. Read this utter nonsense -- 750 words of non sequiturs, one after another -- for an example of the blind following the blind. That story was so bad, so baldly unfair, that it was rewarded by someone at the University of Florida with a scoop: Cam Newton, allegedly, was accused several times of academic cheating while at Florida.
And maybe he did cheat while at Florida. I'm not here to tell you Cam Newton is a choir boy. In fact, for the sake of argument, I'll concede the point simply to make this larger point:
In the grand scheme of things, as the world is being asked to consider John Bond's fourth-hand "information" about Kenny Rogers, Newton's academics at Florida are immaterial.
But this smear job now has escalated to the point where Florida isn't even pretending to stay out of it. It's no coincidence that Bond's "information" -- which he shared almost 10 months ago with Mississippi State -- is coming out now that Florida has fallen by the wayside while Auburn has surged to No. 2 in the BCS. Even before the latest academic allegations came out, Meyer was said to be in the middle of the Bond-Newton saga.
Now, it's official. Newton's academic record at Florida could have been leaked any number of ways, but the most obvious way -- the most transparent -- was for it to come from Florida. So that's what I believe.
But now I want to know more. I want to know what the University of Florida is going to do about the apparent leak of academic information about one of its former students. That's a federal crime, and as a UF graduate, I want answers.
Also, I want an answer to this question: What did Meyer sidekick Dan Mullen, the Mississippi State coach once expected to sign Newton out of junior college, have to do with the John Bond leak?
As for me, I want to know more about John Bond. Who is he? What role does he play at Mississippi State? And why should anybody believe his gossip?
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I was able to catch the last 40 minutes or so... must-watch doc. I felt bad man
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I was able to catch the last 40 minutes or so... must-watch doc. I felt bad man
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Replay is at 11 on ESPN2
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Replay is at 11 on ESPN2
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^Thanks, man. Maybe I'll stop crying by then. He fell so far... [Nancy Kerrigan] Why? [Nancy Kerrigan]
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^Thanks, man. Maybe I'll stop crying by then. He fell so far... [Nancy Kerrigan] Why? [Nancy Kerrigan]
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Enjoyed that Doyel article, *%%%%*** on everyone. Mullen and Meyer are some bitter broads.
Edit:
Gunna's boy Joe Schad breaking some news right now on ESPN.
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Gunna's boy Joe Schad breaking some news right now on ESPN.
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Enjoyed that Doyel article, *%%%%*** on everyone. Mullen and Meyer are some bitter broads.
Edit:
Gunna's boy Joe Schad breaking some news right now on ESPN.
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Gunna's boy Joe Schad breaking some news right now on ESPN.
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This crap is too clouded right now, but the fact that new information keeps coming up makes feel like this might not have a good ending for Newton.
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This crap is too clouded right now, but the fact that new information keeps coming up makes feel like this might not have a good ending for Newton.
