I JUST BLEW MY FRIEND'S MIND VOL. GOD

When I look at the odds of our existence I can't help to think it's a simple as we live and die. It's safe to say that there are realms of reality that are beyond our comprehension. I don't believe in death, in other words I definitely feel like the body is just a vehicle for the 'soul' or whatever it is, yeah I know, it's the basic 'I think therefore I am' argument.

In a universe where everybody is trying to tell you whats real and whats not, what you believe is all that you have.
 
Originally Posted by B Smooth 202

When I look at the odds of our existence I can't help to think it's a simple as we live and die. It's safe to say that there are realms of reality that are beyond our comprehension. I don't believe in death, in other words I definitely feel like the body is just a vehicle for the 'soul' or whatever it is, yeah I know, it's the basic 'I think therefore I am' argument.

In a universe where everybody is trying to tell you whats real and whats not, what you believe is all that you have.
Essentially the synposis of what I've been saying this entire thread.

  
 
God was created by 1+1=2
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Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."

Richard Dawkins

[h1]“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.[/h1]
 
Originally Posted by sneakerjunkie

i hate people like you
ignorance is bliss
Pretty much sums up a lot of religious folk's relations with their unbelievers. Many Muslims HATE Christians. Many Christians HATE gays. For something that is supposed to promote love and togetherness HATE is a very prominent emotion in religious communities.

I don't hate you sneakerjunkie...I have no reason to.

    
 
Originally Posted by IICEMAN83

God was created by 1+1=2
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Honestly, this may be the best response I've gotten in this thread as an explanation for what God is. This response isn't any more or less valid than anything else that has been said by believers and non-believers alike to characterize what God is and how he came to be.

  
 
Originally Posted by lobotomybeats


Science can't explain everything..

We all feel a certain higher power in us at some points/moments in our life. Its what made Mike score 38 with the flu against the Jazz in 97. Its what gave Dr. King the courage to speak his mind for his people. Its a mothers unconditional dedication to her children, its the will, fight and desire in all of us.

Seriously, nice job belittling astounding accomplishments and courage by chalking it up to some fictitious entity. Bravo. Did MJ just pray a little harder than the Jazz that day? Somewhere Lance Armstrong is laughing his one nut off.


The point I was making had nothing to do with prayer. Did I say MJ prayed? Maybe he did, you and me have no idea. But what we do know, is that people do amazing things in times of desperation. Do you think you have a Soul? Don't you sometimes feel something beyond basic emotions? Are living beings just given life as a scientific result? Is the drive inside humans fictitious? Is it just luck? People just don't climb mount Everest relying on equipment and physical strength. Divinity is channeled through all of us.
  
 
Originally Posted by Sighfur

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats


Science can't explain everything..

We all feel a certain higher power in us at some points/moments in our life. Its what made Mike score 38 with the flu against the Jazz in 97. Its what gave Dr. King the courage to speak his mind for his people. Its a mothers unconditional dedication to her children, its the will, fight and desire in all of us.

Seriously, nice job belittling astounding accomplishments and courage by chalking it up to some fictitious entity. Bravo. Did MJ just pray a little harder than the Jazz that day? Somewhere Lance Armstrong is laughing his one nut off.
The point I was making had nothing to do with prayer. Did I say MJ prayed? Maybe he did, you and me have no idea. But what we do know, is that people do amazing things in times of desperation. Do you think you have a Soul? Don't you sometimes feel something beyond basic emotions? Are living beings just given life as a scientific result? Is the drive inside humans fictitious? Is it just luck? People just don't climb mount Everest relying on equipment and physical strength. Divinity is channeled through all of us.
  
My point is what made MJ more 'blessed' than the Jazz that day? What was on his side that wasn't on the Jazz?

Also, a person's drive has nothing to do with god or a soul or anything like that. I have a drive and I don't believe a shred of that stuff.  Do I have a soul? Nope. Neither do you.

Let's say I climb Mount Everest. I am an Atheist. Did I do it just with physical strength and equipment? OR can I not do it because I don't subscribe to a religion?
 
Originally Posted by Sighfur

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats


Science can't explain everything..

We all feel a certain higher power in us at some points/moments in our life. Its what made Mike score 38 with the flu against the Jazz in 97. Its what gave Dr. King the courage to speak his mind for his people. Its a mothers unconditional dedication to her children, its the will, fight and desire in all of us.

Seriously, nice job belittling astounding accomplishments and courage by chalking it up to some fictitious entity. Bravo. Did MJ just pray a little harder than the Jazz that day? Somewhere Lance Armstrong is laughing his one nut off.
The point I was making had nothing to do with prayer. Did I say MJ prayed? Maybe he did, you and me have no idea. But what we do know, is that people do amazing things in times of desperation. Do you think you have a Soul? Don't you sometimes feel something beyond basic emotions? Are living beings just given life as a scientific result? Is the drive inside humans fictitious? Is it just luck? People just don't climb mount Everest relying on equipment and physical strength. Divinity is channeled through all of us.
  

So some people have more divinity than others? Is this what you're trying to say? If what gives some the ability to do great things has to do with divinity, does this mean great men are more "divine" than normal? I understand what you're trying to say...I believe in the POSSIBILITY of the existence the "heart", the human spirit, soul whatever that basic force is that drives us to survive . The difference between you and I is that I don't make attempts to characterize it. I ponder and compemplate the spirit and the soul as much as the next man I just don't make assertions such as "divinity is channeled through all of us".


A lot of the stuff you just explained has to do with mental strength and resilience. This MAY have more to do with a person's brain, psychological development and experiences than something as trivial as the "Divine".


  
 
Regardless of if u subscribe to a Religion, divinity is still there for you. God isn't some man witha white beard in the clouds. God is everything and everything is God. Believe what you believe man, but I think there is a Higher Power.

Im not even religious, nor do I subscribe to a certain religion. What im refering to doesn't have anything to do with Religion. Its based on a certain feeling we have at some point in our lives. No matter what anyone says, believers and nonbelievers alike, somewhere inside us lies a power beyond science, religion, and nature.
 
Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by Sighfur

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats


Science can't explain everything..

We all feel a certain higher power in us at some points/moments in our life. Its what made Mike score 38 with the flu against the Jazz in 97. Its what gave Dr. King the courage to speak his mind for his people. Its a mothers unconditional dedication to her children, its the will, fight and desire in all of us.

Seriously, nice job belittling astounding accomplishments and courage by chalking it up to some fictitious entity. Bravo. Did MJ just pray a little harder than the Jazz that day? Somewhere Lance Armstrong is laughing his one nut off.
The point I was making had nothing to do with prayer. Did I say MJ prayed? Maybe he did, you and me have no idea. But what we do know, is that people do amazing things in times of desperation. Do you think you have a Soul? Don't you sometimes feel something beyond basic emotions? Are living beings just given life as a scientific result? Is the drive inside humans fictitious? Is it just luck? People just don't climb mount Everest relying on equipment and physical strength. Divinity is channeled through all of us.
  
My point is what made MJ more 'blessed' than the Jazz that day? What was on his side that wasn't on the Jazz?

Also, a person's drive has nothing to do with god or a soul or anything like that. I have a drive and I don't believe a shred of that stuff.  Do I have a soul? Nope. Neither do you.

Let's say I climb Mount Everest. I am an Atheist. Did I do it just with physical strength and equipment? OR can I not do it because I don't subscribe to a religion?


Excellent points but have you considered that perhaps God gave you the ability to climb that mountain in order to test you in your faith of him? Think about it. Every one wasn't born with the physical ability to complete such a task. Since some are born blind, with mental illness, etc couldn't it be that when Allah gives you the ability to climb the mountain, He is testing to see whether you give thanks to Him for the bounties He's given you or if you claim that it was your own abilities that got you to the mountain?
 
Originally Posted by Sighfur

Regardless of if u subscribe to a Religion, divinity is still there for you. God isn't some man witha white beard in the clouds. God is everything and everything is God. Believe what you believe man, but I think there is a Higher Power.

Im not even religious, nor do I subscribe to a certain religion. What im refering to doesn't have anything to do with Religion. Its based on a certain feeling we have at some point in our lives. No matter what anyone says, believers and nonbelievers alike, somewhere inside us lies a power beyond science, religion, and nature.
Life is short...if there's a higher power, cool I'll find out soon enough. All I can do now is focus on this life, live my life with integrity, treat people with fairness and kindness, see and experience as much of this world as I possibly can, lend a helping hand to those who aren't as lucky as I have been (the life/species you're born into is a crap shoot) and hope if there's a "God/Force/" I am judged by my actions.

  
 
Originally Posted by Wooly Willy

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by Sighfur

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats


Science can't explain everything..

We all feel a certain higher power in us at some points/moments in our life. Its what made Mike score 38 with the flu against the Jazz in 97. Its what gave Dr. King the courage to speak his mind for his people. Its a mothers unconditional dedication to her children, its the will, fight and desire in all of us.

Seriously, nice job belittling astounding accomplishments and courage by chalking it up to some fictitious entity. Bravo. Did MJ just pray a little harder than the Jazz that day? Somewhere Lance Armstrong is laughing his one nut off.
The point I was making had nothing to do with prayer. Did I say MJ prayed? Maybe he did, you and me have no idea. But what we do know, is that people do amazing things in times of desperation. Do you think you have a Soul? Don't you sometimes feel something beyond basic emotions? Are living beings just given life as a scientific result? Is the drive inside humans fictitious? Is it just luck? People just don't climb mount Everest relying on equipment and physical strength. Divinity is channeled through all of us.
  
My point is what made MJ more 'blessed' than the Jazz that day? What was on his side that wasn't on the Jazz?

Also, a person's drive has nothing to do with god or a soul or anything like that. I have a drive and I don't believe a shred of that stuff.  Do I have a soul? Nope. Neither do you.

Let's say I climb Mount Everest. I am an Atheist. Did I do it just with physical strength and equipment? OR can I not do it because I don't subscribe to a religion?
Excellent points but have you considered that perhaps God gave you the ability to climb that mountain in order to test you in your faith of him? Think about it. Every one wasn't born with the physical ability to complete such a task. Since some are born blind, with mental illness, etc couldn't it be that when Allah gives you the ability to climb the mountain, He is testing to see whether you give thanks to Him for the bounties He's given you or if you claim that it was your own abilities that got you to the mountain?



Whoa this is only interesting because I have actually met the first blind man to ever climb Mount Everest, Erik Weihenmayer.

I can tell you if I climbed a mountain, I climbed a mountain. God had nothing to do with it.
 
/download.guardian.co.uk/audio/kip/standalone/science/1239277229778/595/gdn.sci.090409.sc.John-Polkinghorne.mp3&popupurl=http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/a...u-blogs,guardiangu-science,guardiangu-network">http://download.guardian....ience,guardiangu-network" width="300" align="middle" height="25"> interesting points of view all around. i believe in god, but, i entirely respect the opinions and beliefs of the OP and a majority of people posting in this thread. anyway, here is an article I found in the guardian that has some interesting comments posted from readers. also, listen to the brief audio clip. check the comments from the link; there were too many to post in here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2009/apr/09/religion-controversiesinscience


[h1]Can science be used to prove the existence of God?[/h1]
The quantum physicist turned Anglican priest John Polkinghorne discusses invisible superbeings, resurrection and how humans would shrivel up if they ever saw God

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William Blake's Christ Appearing to the Apostles after the Resurrection. Photograph: The Bridgeman Art Library

Earlier this year, a former Cambridge physicist, John Polkinghorne, published a book called Questions of Truth: God, science and belief. I interviewed John shortly after it came out, and as Easter is now upon us, it seemed as good a time as any to post the whole interview.

Polkinghorne ditched science many moons ago to be ordained into the Anglican ministry. His book is essentially a paper incarnation of a website run by Polkinghorne's former pupil, Nicholas Beale, where the two post answers to questions sent in by readers.
Link to this audio
I was interested in talking to John because I wanted to try and understand how he could believe extraordinary things for which there is no evidence. This is what fascinates me about people with religious beliefs. Whatis going on in someone's brain that allows them to believe there is aninvisible, all-knowing, omnipresent superbeing out there? By whatprocess does someone come to the conclusion that there is a God? Ofcourse it might be true, but it's a major thing to sign up to, sosurely one would want some pretty hefty evidence before evenconsidering it?

John believes that something called God literally became man. He believes that a chap called Jesuswas literally raised from the dead. He believes that after his owndeath, he will be re-embodied by God in a form of matter that is not ofthis world.

There are plenty of people out there bashing religion, and many of the awful things that are done in its name.I had no interest in attacking Polkinghorne's beliefs, as baffling as Ifind them, but I did want to know why he holds the beliefs he does.

Annoyingly,I didn't end up with the kind of insight I was hoping for. Apparentlyit takes a long time to explain why such beliefs are held, and it's allvery complicated. I felt John re-asserted his beliefs more thanexplained why he held them.

There was plenty in Polkinghorne'sbook I found offensive. In one passage, he says that God hides from usbecause if we ever clapped eyes on an infinite being, we'd be unable tocarry on as we are. We'd be overwhelmed to the point of hopelessness.As John says in the interview: "We'd sort of shrivel up."

It's extraordinary stuff. And surely a bit patronising. My reaction to superbeings in comicshas always been excitement and mild envy (great powers, but not sure Icould go with the outfits). If I was to see the ultimate superbeing,I'd be very excited for a long time. I might even get a poster and goaround praising them. But I think I could carry on a life of humanmediocrity.

John finishes on a positive note about the teaching of Creationism and Intelligent Design in classrooms.
Iwonder if religious belief can be considered a neuropathology, albeit asometimes benign one? The universe is extraordinary, nature isbeautiful and complex; consciousness is baffling. But why conjure up asuperbeing to make sense of it all?
 
Originally Posted by Wooly Willy

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by Sighfur

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats


Science can't explain everything..

We all feel a certain higher power in us at some points/moments in our life. Its what made Mike score 38 with the flu against the Jazz in 97. Its what gave Dr. King the courage to speak his mind for his people. Its a mothers unconditional dedication to her children, its the will, fight and desire in all of us.

Seriously, nice job belittling astounding accomplishments and courage by chalking it up to some fictitious entity. Bravo. Did MJ just pray a little harder than the Jazz that day? Somewhere Lance Armstrong is laughing his one nut off.
The point I was making had nothing to do with prayer. Did I say MJ prayed? Maybe he did, you and me have no idea. But what we do know, is that people do amazing things in times of desperation. Do you think you have a Soul? Don't you sometimes feel something beyond basic emotions? Are living beings just given life as a scientific result? Is the drive inside humans fictitious? Is it just luck? People just don't climb mount Everest relying on equipment and physical strength. Divinity is channeled through all of us.
  
My point is what made MJ more 'blessed' than the Jazz that day? What was on his side that wasn't on the Jazz?

Also, a person's drive has nothing to do with god or a soul or anything like that. I have a drive and I don't believe a shred of that stuff.  Do I have a soul? Nope. Neither do you.

Let's say I climb Mount Everest. I am an Atheist. Did I do it just with physical strength and equipment? OR can I not do it because I don't subscribe to a religion?
Excellent points but have you considered that perhaps God gave you the ability to climb that mountain in order to test you in your faith of him? Think about it. Every one wasn't born with the physical ability to complete such a task. Since some are born blind, with mental illness, etc couldn't it be that when Allah gives you the ability to climb the mountain, He is testing to see whether you give thanks to Him for the bounties He's given you or if you claim that it was your own abilities that got you to the mountain?


i agree 100%.  and this is why children's faiths all over the world are being tested with hunger, thirst and disease.  someone needs to tell these children to start believing or god is gonna send them to hell as soon as they die of extreme suffering. 
 
Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by Wooly Willy

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by Sighfur

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats


Science can't explain everything..

We all feel a certain higher power in us at some points/moments in our life. Its what made Mike score 38 with the flu against the Jazz in 97. Its what gave Dr. King the courage to speak his mind for his people. Its a mothers unconditional dedication to her children, its the will, fight and desire in all of us.

Seriously, nice job belittling astounding accomplishments and courage by chalking it up to some fictitious entity. Bravo. Did MJ just pray a little harder than the Jazz that day? Somewhere Lance Armstrong is laughing his one nut off.
The point I was making had nothing to do with prayer. Did I say MJ prayed? Maybe he did, you and me have no idea. But what we do know, is that people do amazing things in times of desperation. Do you think you have a Soul? Don't you sometimes feel something beyond basic emotions? Are living beings just given life as a scientific result? Is the drive inside humans fictitious? Is it just luck? People just don't climb mount Everest relying on equipment and physical strength. Divinity is channeled through all of us.
  
My point is what made MJ more 'blessed' than the Jazz that day? What was on his side that wasn't on the Jazz?

Also, a person's drive has nothing to do with god or a soul or anything like that. I have a drive and I don't believe a shred of that stuff.  Do I have a soul? Nope. Neither do you.

Let's say I climb Mount Everest. I am an Atheist. Did I do it just with physical strength and equipment? OR can I not do it because I don't subscribe to a religion?
Excellent points but have you considered that perhaps God gave you the ability to climb that mountain in order to test you in your faith of him? Think about it. Every one wasn't born with the physical ability to complete such a task. Since some are born blind, with mental illness, etc couldn't it be that when Allah gives you the ability to climb the mountain, He is testing to see whether you give thanks to Him for the bounties He's given you or if you claim that it was your own abilities that got you to the mountain?

Whoa this is only interesting because I have actually met the first blind man to ever climb Mount Everest, Erik Weihenmayer.

I can tell you if I climbed a mountain, I climbed a mountain. God had nothing to do with it.

You asked the guy why did Jordan pull off that amazing victory rather than the Jazz that day and I gave you a reasonable answer. I used blindness as an example but apparently it wasn't an accurate one. What about someone like Stephen Hawkings who is suffering from a terrible disease that leaves them unable to speak let alone move? For someone who claims to be so rational, that last statement sounds a lot like blind faith
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Breakyaneck3000:
i agree 100%.  and this is why children's faiths all over the world arebeing tested with hunger, thirst and disease.  someone needs to tellthese children to start believing or god is gonna send them to hell assoon as they die of extreme suffering.

Sarcasm is hard to detect online but I'm guessing you didn't read my previous block of text response but I'll give you a condensed version to make it easier on you. Being poor, oppressed, suffering from disease, living in terrible hunger, etc are not vengeance from Allah for disbelieving. When I said this life is test, Allah uses us to test each other in addition to the diffuclties of life. Some men are born poor not only as test for themselves in patience and reliance in Allah but a test for people like us who have money as well. How do you expect to gain the mercy of Allah if you can't help those suffering with the sustenance Allah has given you? The opposite is true as well. When I see someone like Jay-Z spending all his money everywhere with tons of cars, women etc, its easy for me to become envious and angry that I'm not as fortunate as he is. Why do some people get multiple mansions when my mom can barely pay her rent and my family is in Africa starving? Its to test our patience and resolve.
 
Originally Posted by GucciMane

Originally Posted by dj sven

Just because your friend has no answer doesn't mean there is no answer.

cosign. God is the beginning and the end. its that simple.
hmm... i've seen you post some of the most ******ed things on this board, but i have grown a new found respect for you Gucci
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BUURR!
 
Originally Posted by NikeAirsNCrispyTees

So you're questioning who created God, but not everything else in the world? Explain how that's "mind blowing" to you?

I never said it was mind-blowing to me.....I was surprised that it was mind-blowing to my boy. Like really, dude never contemplated this?
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I QUESTION EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD. NTers have absolutely no sense of "point of view". My very opinion and on the topic of religion is pensive and questioning. I offer no answers and state no absolutes.
 
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