I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm a Christian.

[aka longstroke]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

ur right absolutely nothing wrong with it. If I owned slaves I would probably give them Jesus Christ to appease them. 

I agree! Feeding people junk food will only make them fat and unhealthy! However, some of those slaves learned to read, then revolting against their masters, as was done in Hispaniola. I am not disagreeing with you, where we are having an issue is with intent. Higher education can corrupt as well...I mean Brown University did make those slave ships back in the late 1600's

What the hell does any of this have to do with education? I find it hilarious sometimes that people equate not being religious with science, intellect and being educated. Religious standards for intellect are very low. I don't believe in many Gods, doesn't take a bloody genius to come to that conclusion.

Dr Martin Luther King was one of the most brilliant minds in the past 20 century, do you agree?

 

[aka longstroke]

Originally Posted by sillyputty

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

ur right absolutely nothing wrong with it. If I owned slaves I would probably give them Jesus Christ to appease them. 

I agree! Feeding people junk food will only make them fat and unhealthy! However, some of those slaves learned to read, then revolting against their masters, as was done in Hispaniola. I am not disagreeing with you, where we are having an issue is with intent. Higher education can corrupt as well...I mean Brown University did make those slave ships back in the late 1600's

Real talk...I don't think religious people are "stupid" per se...just...willingly ignorant. I mean it takes A LOT of stubbornness to really cling to an idea that can easily be debunked by 5 year olds who don't feel like following religion. I mean you have to REALLY suspend a lot of the same logic you employ in every other area of life to support religious ideology. 

I know some incredibly smart people that are very religious...but then again, they also believe in the zodiac signs and astrology... 

...women...

In any case, its just how some people have things baked into their heads...for some of us, its easier to humble ourselves and admit we may be wrong about certain things. 

It really comes down to how honest you are with yourself on a consistent basis. 

LOL, there is a bit of irony in that name....

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

I agree! Feeding people junk food will only make them fat and unhealthy! However, some of those slaves learned to read, then revolting against their masters, as was done in Hispaniola. I am not disagreeing with you, where we are having an issue is with intent. Higher education can corrupt as well...I mean Brown University did make those slave ships back in the late 1600's

What the hell does any of this have to do with education? I find it hilarious sometimes that people equate not being religious with science, intellect and being educated. Religious standards for intellect are very low. I don't believe in many Gods, doesn't take a bloody genius to come to that conclusion.

Dr Martin Luther King was one of the most brilliant minds in the past 20 century, do you agree?

sure? if the fact that he used religion as motivation for the civil rights movement is ur pitch, then does it negate all the instances where religion has been used a multitude of times in history for evil?

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

What the hell does any of this have to do with education? I find it hilarious sometimes that people equate not being religious with science, intellect and being educated. Religious standards for intellect are very low. I don't believe in many Gods, doesn't take a bloody genius to come to that conclusion.

Dr Martin Luther King was one of the most brilliant minds in the past 20 century, do you agree?

sure? if the fact that he used religion as motivation for the civil rights movement is ur pitch, then does it negate all the instances where religion has been used a multitude of times in history for evil?

Exactly.
The biblical story of the Curse of Ham anyone?

Used to justify slavery in this country...

Lets also not forget the number of black atheists and gays that helped in the civil rights movement

 

[aka longstroke]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

What the hell does any of this have to do with education? I find it hilarious sometimes that people equate not being religious with science, intellect and being educated. Religious standards for intellect are very low. I don't believe in many Gods, doesn't take a bloody genius to come to that conclusion.

Dr Martin Luther King was one of the most brilliant minds in the past 20 century, do you agree?

sure? if the fact that he used religion as motivation for the civil rights movement is ur pitch, then does it negate all the instances where religion has been used a multitude of times in history for evil?

Not my point. The point was his interest in higher learning was not thwarted by his faith, in fact, it encouraged his thirst for knowledge.
Not all religious people are close minded, throwing out the possibility that they may be wrong. I am certain that while most people of color may be of a certain faith, they've all wondered at some time why their God's may have forsaken them during times of duress. This calls into question as to why they've believed in the first place, and then for so long.

King, sought other forms of information to strengthen his and the position of Black people, and then the poor around the country. His position on Viet Nam was not that of others in the clergy.

While Christianity was his faith, critical thinking was his strength, wouldn't you say? 

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Dr Martin Luther King was one of the most brilliant minds in the past 20 century, do you agree?

sure? if the fact that he used religion as motivation for the civil rights movement is ur pitch, then does it negate all the instances where religion has been used a multitude of times in history for evil?

Not my point. The point was his interest in higher learning was not thwarted by his faith, in fact, it encouraged his thirst for knowledge.
Not all religious people are close minded, throwing out the possibility that they may be wrong. I am certain that while most people of color may be of a certain faith, they've all wondered at some time why their God's may have forsaken them during times of duress. This calls into question as to why they've believed in the first place, and then for so long.

King, sought other forms of information to strengthen his and the position of Black people, and then the poor around the country. His position on Viet Nam was not that of others in the clergy.

While Christianity was his faith, critical thinking was his strength, wouldn't you say? 

Oh I see. I don't think religious people are stupid in all occasions, they just choose to throw logic away when it comes to their religion which is hypocritical. And no, not all religious people are closed minded, but a lot of them are. One of my best friends is a seventh day adventist, I went to a bible study with him and was pleasantly surprised at how welcoming they were about my views. His father Dr Ben Carson is my mentor and my mother one of the smartest and greatest human beings that have ever lived are religious.

 

[aka longstroke]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

sure? if the fact that he used religion as motivation for the civil rights movement is ur pitch, then does it negate all the instances where religion has been used a multitude of times in history for evil?

Not my point. The point was his interest in higher learning was not thwarted by his faith, in fact, it encouraged his thirst for knowledge.
Not all religious people are close minded, throwing out the possibility that they may be wrong. I am certain that while most people of color may be of a certain faith, they've all wondered at some time why their God's may have forsaken them during times of duress. This calls into question as to why they've believed in the first place, and then for so long.

King, sought other forms of information to strengthen his and the position of Black people, and then the poor around the country. His position on Viet Nam was not that of others in the clergy.

While Christianity was his faith, critical thinking was his strength, wouldn't you say? 

Oh I see. I don't think religious people are stupid in all occasions, they just choose to throw logic away when it comes to their religion which is hypocritical. And no, not all religious people are closed minded, but a lot of them are. One of my best friends is a seventh day adventist, I went to a bible study with him and was pleasantly surprised at how welcoming they were about my views. His father Dr Ben Carson is my mentor and my mother one of the smartest and greatest human beings that have ever lived are religious.

Using intelligence, one must understand intention before placing judgement upon an action.
Granted, one should be taught to think, before being introduced to any religion or faith. Your morals should be in place even before picking up a book that may be questionable in content. Do the right thing, but while also understanding that preserving your humanity is incredibly important. We do not know everything as humans, but we should know that there is an answer for everything. Whether or not you find that answer in a book, higher education, or with some higher deity, all speaks to optimism of sorts.

It's the pessimistic mofo's I have a problem with, which again, has me dealing with their intentions.

 

[hazeleyed honey]

tkfahm, what is your point in saying people convert to Islam? So? Many people convert to other religions that are not Islam. The Qur'an is pure and untainted? As you are led to believe by mainstream Islamic scholars who even know that is not true taking in to consideration archaeological facts, history, and evidence.

 

[antonlavey]

I'm confused why the hell are we arguing about critical thinking? MLK was a good human being, I like to believe it had nothing to do with his ability to think critically. 

 

[aka longstroke]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

I'm confused why the hell are we arguing about critical thinking? MLK was a good human being, I like to believe it had nothing to do with his ability to think critically. 

He suggested solutions to the race problem in America, without resorting to suggesting prayer for those solutions, thus critical thought was in play. Prayer for the country was the solution for those old school black baptist preachers, those who were opposed to Dr. King. Dr. King was from the new school of young preachers, college educated, those who saw the hypocrisy in their own churches in regard to civil rights. His position was to use the system against itself, making it crumble internally. 
It worked, but only to a point.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

I'm confused why the hell are we arguing about critical thinking? MLK was a good human being, I like to believe it had nothing to do with his ability to think critically. 

He suggested solutions to the race problem in America, without resorting to suggesting prayer for those solutions, thus critical thought was in play. Prayer for the country was the solution for those old school black baptist preachers, those who were opposed to Dr. King. Dr. King was from the new school of young preachers, college educated, those who saw the hypocrisy in their own churches in regard to civil rights. His position was to use the system against itself, making it crumble internally. 
It worked, but only to a point.

Damn bro, I like to believe MLK realization had nothing to do with critcal thinking or even religion. What MLK did do "study wise" was take lessons from Gandhi, but even that isn't critical thinking. Critical thinking does not make me a moral human being. I think morality should be common sense but I suppose it isn't for some

 

[aka longstroke]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

I'm confused why the hell are we arguing about critical thinking? MLK was a good human being, I like to believe it had nothing to do with his ability to think critically. 

He suggested solutions to the race problem in America, without resorting to suggesting prayer for those solutions, thus critical thought was in play. Prayer for the country was the solution for those old school black baptist preachers, those who were opposed to Dr. King. Dr. King was from the new school of young preachers, college educated, those who saw the hypocrisy in their own churches in regard to civil rights. His position was to use the system against itself, making it crumble internally. 
It worked, but only to a point.

Damn bro, I like to believe MLK realization had nothing to do with critcal thinking or even religion. What MLK did do "study wise" was take lessons from Gandhi, but even that isn't critical thinking. Critical thinking does not make me a moral human being. I think morality should be common sense but I suppose it isn't for some

It wasn't only Ghandi, and even that was introduced to him by a gay non christian Black man by the name of Bayard Rustin, who happened to be a socialist.
All of that was very anti Black Christian American, embracing a brother who is gay AND communist sympathizer?

A position on morality can be created, it is not based in common sense, thus King turning White America on its ear, forcing it to face its own so called christian virtue, one that it claims to have. One nation, under god.

Doing something like all that above takes some serious critical thinking, my brother. I am certain that you can see that, correct?

 

[iamjusayn]

AKA LONGSTROKE wrote:

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AntonLaVey wrote:

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AKA LONGSTROKE wrote:

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How do any of you feel about intuition? People who can tell of coming events, or how twin children can know when the other is in a troubled state?

God did it. 



And lol @ "intuition". Apparently God is responsible for that as well.  Everyday I wake up and thank God Im not a bloody idiot







Anyhow if that's what makes religious people's brains tinkle I feel sorry for them.




Okay, I understand your position, but must you be so heavy handed? I am no religious person, nor a big believer in a higher deity.  But the way you present yourself really does not do your supposed intellect any justice. 

Originally Posted by sillyputty

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey


God did it. 



And lol @ "intuition". Apparently God is responsible for that as well.  Everyday I wake up and thank God Im not a bloody idiot







Anyhow if that's what makes religious people's brains tinkle I feel sorry for them.

Okay, I understand your position, but must you be so heavy handed? I am no religious person, nor a big believer in a higher deity.  But the way you present yourself really does not do your supposed intellect any justice. 

Anton, go easy on this one...hes just trying to see some things... 



(AKA LONGSTROKE [i felt dirty typing that. 

], med students like him can be antsy...

...he means no harm. Hes usually pretty sarcastic by nature)

But yeah, in terms of intuition, a lot of what we think is "innate" is reflexive behavior. We have built in neural patterns that can take over in split seconds to change how we react to things like physical stress. 

For example there is a 2-3 synaptic pathway of nerve cells to ganglion in your spine and back out to motor neurons that allows you to jump from one leg to the other in the event that your original leg feels harmed in some unusual way.

Other things are still being studied. 

There are parts of our brains that recognize empathy. For example if we see people with their fingers cut off or people who are physically experiencing something, we can almost feel the same pain ourselves. We call these mirror neurons. Pretty interesting stuff. 

Some things are somewhat "innate" though. There is a video that came out two weeks ago that shows babies technically have the neural substrates to walk literally days after being born. Their brains and neurons just aren't conditioned to the pattern yet but there is the innate "Programming" if you will (i hate that world cause theists will take the context out of it) to already move your leads in a bipedal fashion. 

Other things are a result of efforts to basically keep the body alive and lead to self preservation at all costs. Like the parts of your brainstem that control things like digestion, breathing, etc. 

Like I said, we're still trying to figure this stuff all out but the more we learn, the smaller the "god" box gets. 

tkthafm wrote:

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We get that you don't accept the books as being from God, the comparisons to fantasy novels don't add anything. If you've noticed, the videos are directed towards those of other faiths who DO accept the books in question. In that case, when your own book is shown to contradict what you believe and actually supports Islam, you've got a serious problem.

It makes more sense that the quran be supported by the bible...




seeing that most of the quran is based off of the bible...

Seems like the abrahamic god got it right the third time around after failing with judaism and christianity... 

All you did was illustrate how the Human Body is one large Hologram and how People are all connected. All the science info you wrote/cited was unnecessary to explain said topic. I wonder what all you would have written/cited if we all had our original number of DNA strands...then again you probably would not have had to explain anything. Cool story tho 

 

 

[iamjusayn]

 

[teamjordan79]

Seeing how its pertinent.....

A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion.

- Francis Bacon  


i've always thought this quote was interesting.

 

[iamjusayn]

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

I've enjoyed this thread, fantastic!
That said, I am not a believer in religion, but I am not too sure as to what is out there. Being an athlete, I've played on the big stage, in arenas filled with thousands of people. I've felt the energy directed toward my teams, then against my teams, then have always wondered what that was. If any of you have experienced this, it feels like a buzz, electric.

Any ideas, what is that???

It's called "The Infinite". The being of "One". Can take place at any time, not just at said sporting event. The makeup of this world journey is more simple than you may think or what others may try to make it seem. The Spokes are usually more appealing than the Hub....

 

[fried pickles]

Lmao at these religious NTers... You have to be borderline ******ed to believe all this religion nonsense

 

[iamjusayn]

It's pretty simple. Place a new born human being in a cave by itself (no other human interaction whatsoever), only showing it how to hunt n gather from the wild...that's it! Come back periodically and teach it english but omit any text of religion, god, jesus etc etc so i.e. teach it a tailored english language and if any point of it's life it talks about god, jesus, christianity then you know said topic is the real deal and if not (which i'm 99% sure it won't) then you know it's not real and more or less a contrived belief. After you have showed it how to hunt n gather, show it some affection every now and then and love and i'm almost sure the care, affection, love will be reciprocated in some way but why can't god, jesus, religion be manifested in it's thought if it's a innate "feeling", derived from a omnipresent being? That's your answer. Way more simpler than all that science malarkey, right?

 

[foxdawg2000]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

I'm confused why the hell are we arguing about critical thinking? MLK was a good human being, I like to believe it had nothing to do with his ability to think critically. 

He suggested solutions to the race problem in America, without resorting to suggesting prayer for those solutions, thus critical thought was in play. Prayer for the country was the solution for those old school black baptist preachers, those who were opposed to Dr. King. Dr. King was from the new school of young preachers, college educated, those who saw the hypocrisy in their own churches in regard to civil rights. His position was to use the system against itself, making it crumble internally. 
It worked, but only to a point.

Damn bro, I like to believe MLK realization had nothing to do with critcal thinking or even religion. What MLK did do "study wise" was take lessons from Gandhi, but even that isn't critical thinking. Critical thinking does not make me a moral human being. I think morality should be common sense but I suppose it isn't for some

dam stole my thunder.. MLK was a talented orator and used Ghandi's peaceful resistance example here as was used in India..His main resistance in the black community came from groups with a more militant approach (Nation of Islam) MLK was also a "sinner" by Christian standards as he had affairs on his wife.. So bad Christian = decent person?

, agreed..

This was more to LONGSTROKE and just an addition to ANTON's thought..

 

[aka longstroke]

Originally Posted by foxdawg2000

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE


He suggested solutions to the race problem in America, without resorting to suggesting prayer for those solutions, thus critical thought was in play. Prayer for the country was the solution for those old school black baptist preachers, those who were opposed to Dr. King. Dr. King was from the new school of young preachers, college educated, those who saw the hypocrisy in their own churches in regard to civil rights. His position was to use the system against itself, making it crumble internally. 
It worked, but only to a point.

Damn bro, I like to believe MLK realization had nothing to do with critcal thinking or even religion. What MLK did do "study wise" was take lessons from Gandhi, but even that isn't critical thinking. Critical thinking does not make me a moral human being. I think morality should be common sense but I suppose it isn't for some

dam stole my thunder.. MLK was a talented orator and used Ghandi's peaceful resistance example here as was used in India..His main resistance in the black community came from groups with a more militant approach (Nation of Islam) MLK was also a "sinner" by Christian standards as he had affairs on his wife.. So bad Christian = decent person?

, agreed..

This was more to LONGSTROKE and just an addition to ANTON's thought..

You are incredibly incorrect on several points, however I understand what you are trying to say.
The Nation of Islam was not King and the SCLC's main resistance, as they held no political aspirations, which was the SCLC's main focus. They were trying to force political change, while the NOI simply wanted to move away from White rule, then separate all together. They did not have the same stronghold in the Black community as did the Black church, however an offshoot movement was created by Black students called SNCC, led by Stokely Carmicheal, represented the position of those who favored the anti nonviolent stance of the NOI. The opposition was about how to approach the situation of confrontation. Should we fight back, or should we allow ourselves to be beaten while we pray for our civil rights?

But I have a question, what does King's affairs have to do with his intelligence, ability to use logic and reason, then dealing in critical thought? 

Dalliances aside, King's genius was being able to bridge the gap between the younger and older generation's approach to change, which had NOTHING to do with Ghandi. Ghandi wasn't from the hood, so King, using logic and reason, was able to keep a hold of young men like Stokely's ear, and yet still negotiate with President Lyndon Johnson, forcing him to see the moral dilemma that America was faced with.

King's faith in his God gave him the strength to keep moving forward, to search for answers at every turn. His brilliance, intellect, is what allowed him to process all forms of information, for the greater good. Even an Atheist can appreciate the result of his efforts.

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by foxdawg2000

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey


Damn bro, I like to believe MLK realization had nothing to do with critcal thinking or even religion. What MLK did do "study wise" was take lessons from Gandhi, but even that isn't critical thinking. Critical thinking does not make me a moral human being. I think morality should be common sense but I suppose it isn't for some

dam stole my thunder.. MLK was a talented orator and used Ghandi's peaceful resistance example here as was used in India..His main resistance in the black community came from groups with a more militant approach (Nation of Islam) MLK was also a "sinner" by Christian standards as he had affairs on his wife.. So bad Christian = decent person?

, agreed..

This was more to LONGSTROKE and just an addition to ANTON's thought..

You are incredibly incorrect on several points, however I understand what you are trying to say.
The Nation of Islam was not King and the SCLC's main resistance, as they held no political aspirations, which was the SCLC's main focus. They were trying to force political change, while the NOI simply wanted to move away from White rule, then separate all together. They did not have the same stronghold in the Black community as did the Black church, however an offshoot movement was created by Black students called SNCC, led by Stokely Carmicheal, represented the position of those who favored the anti nonviolent stance of the NOI. The opposition was about how to approach the situation of confrontation. Should we fight back, or should we allow ourselves to be beaten while we pray for our civil rights?

But I have a question, what does King's affairs have to do with his intelligence, ability to use logic and reason, then dealing in critical thought? 

Dalliances aside, King's genius was being able to bridge the gap between the younger and older generation's approach to change, which had NOTHING to do with Ghandi. Ghandi wasn't from the hood, so King, using logic and reason, was able to keep a hold of young men like Stokely's ear, and yet still negotiate with President Lyndon Johnson, forcing him to see the moral dilemma that America was faced with.

King's faith in his God gave him the strength to keep moving forward, to search for answers at every turn. His brilliance, intellect, is what allowed him to process all forms of information, for the greater good. Even an Atheist can appreciate the result of his efforts.

Key words here... HIS god. Doesn't mean his god exists
Beyond that, King was just a great person (minus the womanizing, but thats a cultural negative not something intrinsically or perhaps, MORE negative than say racism) who wanted to seek equality for ALL people.

On the same token, its always incredibly fascinating to see people hold on to their religion as they seek things like equality and other humanistic grounded  ideologies. For instance, the same text they used to gain inspiration, also justified their opposition. 

Its cognitive dissonance. Its how people like the director the NIH can believe in god, but still sequence human DNA. They partition their brains from every addressing EVERYTHING and only, in my eyes inconsistently, confirms what they want to know. 

But yes, King was a "sinner" in the eyes of most christian doctrine by way of some of the things he did in his personal life...but according to them, they're sinners since birth so theres no point in even addressing it...LOL

I think we're not more arguing over civil rights leaders and their intentions...which is a far cry away from where we started. 

I can appreciate his efforts because of non-violent protest...not prayer protest. Notice that history tends to call it the former, not the latter. 

 

[aka longstroke]

Originally Posted by sillyputty

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by foxdawg2000

dam stole my thunder.. MLK was a talented orator and used Ghandi's peaceful resistance example here as was used in India..His main resistance in the black community came from groups with a more militant approach (Nation of Islam) MLK was also a "sinner" by Christian standards as he had affairs on his wife.. So bad Christian = decent person?

, agreed..

This was more to LONGSTROKE and just an addition to ANTON's thought..

You are incredibly incorrect on several points, however I understand what you are trying to say.
The Nation of Islam was not King and the SCLC's main resistance, as they held no political aspirations, which was the SCLC's main focus. They were trying to force political change, while the NOI simply wanted to move away from White rule, then separate all together. They did not have the same stronghold in the Black community as did the Black church, however an offshoot movement was created by Black students called SNCC, led by Stokely Carmicheal, represented the position of those who favored the anti nonviolent stance of the NOI. The opposition was about how to approach the situation of confrontation. Should we fight back, or should we allow ourselves to be beaten while we pray for our civil rights?

But I have a question, what does King's affairs have to do with his intelligence, ability to use logic and reason, then dealing in critical thought? 

Dalliances aside, King's genius was being able to bridge the gap between the younger and older generation's approach to change, which had NOTHING to do with Ghandi. Ghandi wasn't from the hood, so King, using logic and reason, was able to keep a hold of young men like Stokely's ear, and yet still negotiate with President Lyndon Johnson, forcing him to see the moral dilemma that America was faced with.

King's faith in his God gave him the strength to keep moving forward, to search for answers at every turn. His brilliance, intellect, is what allowed him to process all forms of information, for the greater good. Even an Atheist can appreciate the result of his efforts.

Key words here... HIS god. Doesn't mean his god exists
Beyond that, King was just a great person (minus the womanizing, but thats a cultural negative not something intrinsically or perhaps, MORE negative than say racism) who wanted to seek equality for ALL people.

On the same token, its always incredibly fascinating to see people hold on to their religion as they seek things like equality and other humanistic grounded  ideologies. For instance, the same text they used to gain inspiration, also justified their opposition. 

Its cognitive dissonance. Its how people like the director the NIH can believe in god, but still sequence human DNA. They partition their brains from every addressing EVERYTHING and only, in my eyes inconsistently, confirms what they want to know. 

But yes, King was a "sinner" in the eyes of most christian doctrine by way of some of the things he did in his personal life...but according to them, they're sinners since birth so theres no point in even addressing it...LOL

I think we're not more arguing over civil rights leaders and their intentions...which is a far cry away from where we started. 

I can appreciate his efforts because of non-violent protest...not prayer protest. Notice that history tends to call it the former, not the latter. 

That's cool. But I also think that we can all appreciate that he DID believe in a God, then wanting to do his will, inspiring many to do right during the process, correct? 

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by sillyputty

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

You are incredibly incorrect on several points, however I understand what you are trying to say.
The Nation of Islam was not King and the SCLC's main resistance, as they held no political aspirations, which was the SCLC's main focus. They were trying to force political change, while the NOI simply wanted to move away from White rule, then separate all together. They did not have the same stronghold in the Black community as did the Black church, however an offshoot movement was created by Black students called SNCC, led by Stokely Carmicheal, represented the position of those who favored the anti nonviolent stance of the NOI. The opposition was about how to approach the situation of confrontation. Should we fight back, or should we allow ourselves to be beaten while we pray for our civil rights?

But I have a question, what does King's affairs have to do with his intelligence, ability to use logic and reason, then dealing in critical thought? 

Dalliances aside, King's genius was being able to bridge the gap between the younger and older generation's approach to change, which had NOTHING to do with Ghandi. Ghandi wasn't from the hood, so King, using logic and reason, was able to keep a hold of young men like Stokely's ear, and yet still negotiate with President Lyndon Johnson, forcing him to see the moral dilemma that America was faced with.

King's faith in his God gave him the strength to keep moving forward, to search for answers at every turn. His brilliance, intellect, is what allowed him to process all forms of information, for the greater good. Even an Atheist can appreciate the result of his efforts.

Key words here... HIS god. Doesn't mean his god exists
Beyond that, King was just a great person (minus the womanizing, but thats a cultural negative not something intrinsically or perhaps, MORE negative than say racism) who wanted to seek equality for ALL people.

On the same token, its always incredibly fascinating to see people hold on to their religion as they seek things like equality and other humanistic grounded  ideologies. For instance, the same text they used to gain inspiration, also justified their opposition. 

Its cognitive dissonance. Its how people like the director the NIH can believe in god, but still sequence human DNA. They partition their brains from every addressing EVERYTHING and only, in my eyes inconsistently, confirms what they want to know. 

But yes, King was a "sinner" in the eyes of most christian doctrine by way of some of the things he did in his personal life...but according to them, they're sinners since birth so theres no point in even addressing it...LOL

I think we're not more arguing over civil rights leaders and their intentions...which is a far cry away from where we started. 

I can appreciate his efforts because of non-violent protest...not prayer protest. Notice that history tends to call it the former, not the latter. 

That's cool. But I also think that we can all appreciate that he DID believe in a God, then wanting to do his will, inspiring many to do right during the process, correct? 

He believed in HIS god and wanted to do what HIS god wanted to do, yes. 
Thats the point here

Good or bad, this doesn't substantiate their "faith"...they just helped tons of people in the process.

A christian church having a food drive doesn't mean theres a god either.

 

[aka longstroke]

Originally Posted by sillyputty

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by sillyputty


Key words here... HIS god. Doesn't mean his god exists
Beyond that, King was just a great person (minus the womanizing, but thats a cultural negative not something intrinsically or perhaps, MORE negative than say racism) who wanted to seek equality for ALL people.

On the same token, its always incredibly fascinating to see people hold on to their religion as they seek things like equality and other humanistic grounded  ideologies. For instance, the same text they used to gain inspiration, also justified their opposition. 

Its cognitive dissonance. Its how people like the director the NIH can believe in god, but still sequence human DNA. They partition their brains from every addressing EVERYTHING and only, in my eyes inconsistently, confirms what they want to know. 

But yes, King was a "sinner" in the eyes of most christian doctrine by way of some of the things he did in his personal life...but according to them, they're sinners since birth so theres no point in even addressing it...LOL

I think we're not more arguing over civil rights leaders and their intentions...which is a far cry away from where we started. 

I can appreciate his efforts because of non-violent protest...not prayer protest. Notice that history tends to call it the former, not the latter. 

That's cool. But I also think that we can all appreciate that he DID believe in a God, then wanting to do his will, inspiring many to do right during the process, correct? 

He believed in HIS god and wanted to do what HIS god wanted to do, yes. 
Thats the point here

Good or bad, this doesn't substantiate their "faith"...they just helped tons of people in the process.

A christian church having a food drive doesn't mean theres a god either.

You are correct, his actions do not prove that his God actually exists, and I am certain that King would not argue that point with you. As stated earlier, he was all kinds of wrong to many believers of the same faith just by the company he kept, then the actions he took, then even the color of his skin.
But the source of his motivation clearly was his faith, belief in God, while urging mankind to reach its full potential. Without that faith and belief, King might not have been so successful, in fact, I am certain of that. 

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by sillyputty

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

That's cool. But I also think that we can all appreciate that he DID believe in a God, then wanting to do his will, inspiring many to do right during the process, correct? 

He believed in HIS god and wanted to do what HIS god wanted to do, yes. 
Thats the point here

Good or bad, this doesn't substantiate their "faith"...they just helped tons of people in the process.

A christian church having a food drive doesn't mean theres a god either.

You are correct, his actions does not prove that his God actually exists, and I am certain that King would not argue that point with you. As stated earlier, he was all kinds of wrong to many believers of the same faith just by the company he kept, then the actions he took, then even the color of his skin.
But the source of his motivation clearly was his faith, belief in God, while urging mankind to reach it's full potential. Without that faith and belief, King might not have been so successful, in fact, I am certain of that. 

Faith is faith I guess. Its the placebo people use to endure and get ahead... 
I equate them to these things: