- 16,335
- 13
- Joined
- Dec 27, 2002
...
He had a nice rookie year, and wasn't he was playing hurt before he went out this season?
He had a nice rookie year, and wasn't he was playing hurt before he went out this season?
Is Darren McFadden a bust?
- Thread in 'Sports & Training' Thread starter Started by 80jerryrice80,
- Start date
- 20,177
- 4,156
- Joined
- Feb 22, 2007
Originally Posted by Durden7
Nahhh, Id be saying the same thing about anyone in the same situation as Darren.Originally Posted by Mister Friendly
Seriously is Darren McFadden your relative or something?
Anybody with some sense knows money kinda correlates to if a player is a bust or not. Why dont you see 4-7 rounders in the top 10 bust countdowns? Because they you dont expect much from them.
Why do 1st and 2nd rounders get paid so much money ? Because you expect alot from them.
Money has nothing to do with this. Of course you dont expect much from a 4-7th rounder but money doesnt matter. Obviously you expect more from a 1st rounder than a 4th rounder but how much money that player makes is irrelevant.
They get paid so much money because of the awful system the NFL has for rookies.
Darren (and everyone in his draft class) havent even been in the league long enough to call a bust.
C'mon son! Vernon Gholston is a bust! and McFadden isnt far behind. I when I talk about the money thats how alot fans and media feel like.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Gholston-still-not-producing-for-Jets.html
If money doesnt matter why after every first round pick signs they report how much money they'll make? Because money equals expectations.
- 5,258
- 11
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2003
yeah he ended up on a real dynasty.
- 6,376
- 433
- Joined
- Nov 9, 2007
Originally Posted by Mister Friendly
Durden7 wrote:
Nahhh, Id be saying the same thing about anyone in the same situation as Darren.Originally Posted by Mister Friendly
Seriously is Darren McFadden your relative or something?
Anybody with some sense knows money kinda correlates to if a player is a bust or not. Why dont you see 4-7 rounders in the top 10 bust countdowns? Because they you dont expect much from them.
Why do 1st and 2nd rounders get paid so much money ? Because you expect alot from them.
Money has nothing to do with this. Of course you dont expect much from a 4-7th rounder but money doesnt matter. Obviously you expect more from a 1st rounder than a 4th rounder but how much money that player makes is irrelevant.
They get paid so much money because of the awful system the NFL has for rookies.
Darren (and everyone in his draft class) havent even been in the league long enough to call a bust.
C'mon son! Vernon Gholston is a bust! and McFadden isnt far behind. I when I talk about the money thats how alot fans and media feel like.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Gholston-still-not-producing-for-Jets.html
If money doesnt matter why after every first round pick signs they report how much money they'll make? Because money equals expectations.
You cant call them busts. Well the majority of fans and a lot of media are fools when it comes to sports. (Fans especially)
They report the money they make because thats what the news is. Its not about the expectation, theyre reporting that he signed.
If you want to classify busts based upon contracts OTHER than their rookie one, then go right ahead. Thats deserved.
The rookie pay scale is so messed up that classifying them based upon the money they make in their first few years isnt fair to the player or fans.
- 2,891
- 379
- Joined
- Jan 5, 2003
Originally Posted by Alan Garner
This is what I'm talking about, I'm a raider fan btw...
Originally Posted by 3 Lombardis
An ex-Razorback football player who is a business colleague of mine and has connections with University of Arkansas booster clubs told me at the start of the season that:
* Mc Fadden believes (like Randy Moss) that there is something very "fishy" in Oakland ... he's pretty much convinced that the team will never win with this management/coaching/administration.
* McFadden is concerned that his association with the Raiders will hurt his career.
* McFadden is even more concearned about getting hurt playing here before he can get his career off the ground.
* McFadden wants out of Oakland in a bad way.
My colleague predicted that McFadden will never play a full season here because he will take any opportunity to "preserve" himself on IR. He will bolt the first chance he gets to a team that gives him a chance to be successful and win some games. He predicted that McFadden will become a completely different player ... a substantial star once he leaves here.
** I am not vouching for what my colleague said ... I don't know if what he says is just rumors or he has a reliable source. I'm just repeating what he told me. **
it was posted on another forum but I wouldn't be surprised at at all if this has any truth to it.
Honestly I think all of those rumors are probably true. Oakland is such a mess, no player in their right mind would want any part of it.
- 1,812
- 10
- Joined
- Jun 14, 2007
Originally Posted by sonunox34
Originally Posted by Alan Garner
This is what I'm talking about, I'm a raider fan btw...
Originally Posted by 3 Lombardis
An ex-Razorback football player who is a business colleague of mine and has connections with University of Arkansas booster clubs told me at the start of the season that:
* Mc Fadden believes (like Randy Moss) that there is something very "fishy" in Oakland ... he's pretty much convinced that the team will never win with this management/coaching/administration.
* McFadden is concerned that his association with the Raiders will hurt his career.
* McFadden is even more concearned about getting hurt playing here before he can get his career off the ground.
* McFadden wants out of Oakland in a bad way.
My colleague predicted that McFadden will never play a full season here because he will take any opportunity to "preserve" himself on IR. He will bolt the first chance he gets to a team that gives him a chance to be successful and win some games. He predicted that McFadden will become a completely different player ... a substantial star once he leaves here.
** I am not vouching for what my colleague said ... I don't know if what he says is just rumors or he has a reliable source. I'm just repeating what he told me. **
it was posted on another forum but I wouldn't be surprised at at all if this has any truth to it.
Honestly I think all of those rumors are probably true. Oakland is such a mess, no player in their right mind would want any part of it.
- 945
- 10
- Joined
- Nov 3, 2007
I really have a feeling he is going to be in Washington soon. We get a line and it would be
. Im a huge Mcfadden fan tho.
If Randy Moss can't shine in oakland. Nobody can.
If Randy Moss can't shine in oakland. Nobody can.
- 4,215
- 40
- Joined
- Dec 18, 2001
I am not surprised by this
- 9,899
- 3,984
- Joined
- Nov 26, 2007
McFadden is being used wrong
- 5,258
- 11
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2003
you have a younger version of our owner. except our owner was actually competent when he was snyders age. hes not going to go to washington andbecome a pro bowlerOriginally Posted by SoleOnEyez
I really have a feeling he is going to be in Washington soon. We get a line and it would be. Im a huge Mcfadden fan tho.
If Randy Moss can't shine in oakland. Nobody can.
TheGodFresco
formerly gsdoubleu
- 24,478
- 2,308
- Joined
- Aug 31, 2007
hes in a way better position than DHB
- 6,247
- 18
- Joined
- Jun 27, 2009
Justin Fargas is better than DMC
- 20,177
- 4,156
- Joined
- Feb 22, 2007
You cant call them busts. Well the majority of fans and a lot of media are fools when it comes to sports. (Fans especially)Originally Posted by Durden7
Originally Posted by Mister Friendly
Durden7 wrote:
Nahhh, Id be saying the same thing about anyone in the same situation as Darren.Originally Posted by Mister Friendly
Seriously is Darren McFadden your relative or something?
Anybody with some sense knows money kinda correlates to if a player is a bust or not. Why dont you see 4-7 rounders in the top 10 bust countdowns? Because they you dont expect much from them.
Why do 1st and 2nd rounders get paid so much money ? Because you expect alot from them.
Money has nothing to do with this. Of course you dont expect much from a 4-7th rounder but money doesnt matter. Obviously you expect more from a 1st rounder than a 4th rounder but how much money that player makes is irrelevant.
They get paid so much money because of the awful system the NFL has for rookies.
Darren (and everyone in his draft class) havent even been in the league long enough to call a bust.
C'mon son! Vernon Gholston is a bust! and McFadden isnt far behind. I when I talk about the money thats how alot fans and media feel like.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Gholston-still-not-producing-for-Jets.html
If money doesnt matter why after every first round pick signs they report how much money they'll make? Because money equals expectations.
They report the money they make because thats what the news is. Its not about the expectation, theyre reporting that he signed.
If you want to classify busts based upon contracts OTHER than their rookie one, then go right ahead. Thats deserved.
The rookie pay scale is so messed up that classifying them based upon the money they make in their first few years isnt fair to the player or fans.
Come on man,
When can you classify players as busts then? Its not rocket science or solving world hunger, its easy to see if a first round guy giving so much oppurtunityto establish himself can play.
What recent draft picks are busts then? Is JaMarcus a bust? Is Brady Quinn a bust? Jarvis Moss? Bobby Carpenter?
- 6,376
- 433
- Joined
- Nov 9, 2007
Originally Posted by Mister Friendly
Come on man,Most people including NFL personnel men would classify those guys busts so far.
When can you classify players as busts then? Its not rocket science or solving world hunger, its easy to see if a first round guy giving so much oppurtunity to establish himself can play.
What recent draft picks are busts then? Is JaMarcus a bust? Is Brady Quinn a bust? Jarvis Moss? Bobby Carpenter?
I doubt theyd classify them as busts. Theyre much smarter than the average fan.
You can classify a player as a bust later in their career. Its WAY too soon to even consider calling DMC a bust. I never said it was rocket science, but whybe so quick to judge a player?
You cant call recent draft picks busts... you werent even listening to what ive been saying.
- 7,190
- 162
- Joined
- Feb 19, 2007
Darren is not happy as said earlier in the thread, that is all.
- 20,177
- 4,156
- Joined
- Feb 22, 2007
Originally Posted by Durden7
Originally Posted by Mister Friendly
Come on man,Most people including NFL personnel men would classify those guys busts so far.
When can you classify players as busts then? Its not rocket science or solving world hunger, its easy to see if a first round guy giving so much oppurtunity to establish himself can play.
What recent draft picks are busts then? Is JaMarcus a bust? Is Brady Quinn a bust? Jarvis Moss? Bobby Carpenter?
I doubt theyd classify them as busts. Theyre much smarter than the average fan.
You can classify a player as a bust later in their career. Its WAY too soon to even consider calling DMC a bust. I never said it was rocket science, but why be so quick to judge a player?
You cant call recent draft picks busts... you werent even listening to what ive been saying.
- 16,335
- 13
- Joined
- Dec 27, 2002
Not even close.
- 6,376
- 433
- Joined
- Nov 9, 2007
There is no set number of years to determine a bust.Originally Posted by Mister Friendly
Originally Posted by Durden7
Originally Posted by Mister Friendly
Come on man,Most people including NFL personnel men would classify those guys busts so far.
When can you classify players as busts then? Its not rocket science or solving world hunger, its easy to see if a first round guy giving so much oppurtunity to establish himself can play.
What recent draft picks are busts then? Is JaMarcus a bust? Is Brady Quinn a bust? Jarvis Moss? Bobby Carpenter?
I doubt theyd classify them as busts. Theyre much smarter than the average fan.
You can classify a player as a bust later in their career. Its WAY too soon to even consider calling DMC a bust. I never said it was rocket science, but why be so quick to judge a player?
You cant call recent draft picks busts... you werent even listening to what ive been saying.
No....I'm asking you when is a player a bust? 1yr, 2yrs or 3yrs? Who is a recent bust then?
To call an 08 draftee a bust is absurd though.
- 4,215
- 40
- Joined
- Dec 18, 2001
It is to soon and playing in Oakland is a unique situation, but how many RB's get better later in their career and flourish? RB's usually make instantimpacts. I am biased because I called DMac a bust pre draft but the odds (Oakland, lack of production) are getting larger not smaller.
- 1,812
- 10
- Joined
- Jun 14, 2007
DMC is wayyy more talented than fargas, but fargas runs relentlessly whether theirs a hole open or not.
IMO Fargas just wants it more than mcfadden. mcfadden can be every bit as tough and productive as fargas, but he doesn't show the same passion that fargasshows.
- 24,722
- 23,093
- Joined
- May 17, 2007
thats the worst case scenario and really if he really was like that I'm mad that a player doesnt care enough to confront him about it.
- 1,812
- 10
- Joined
- Jun 14, 2007
what makes you think any other players in the locker room even know how DMC feels?
- 24,722
- 23,093
- Joined
- May 17, 2007
if its obvious than you would know.
But does it look like hes not trying out there? if you're not going 100 you shouldnt be playing and unfortunately thats how it seems to be with a lot oflosing teams.
But does it look like hes not trying out there? if you're not going 100 you shouldnt be playing and unfortunately thats how it seems to be with a lot oflosing teams.
- 1,812
- 10
- Joined
- Jun 14, 2007
mcfadden isn't the only one who doesn't give a %$+@, I see all of our players not giving 100% effort on a routine basis.
When we're down by 21+, our players seem to stop caring.
I can't even imagine us coming back from a large deficit.
Like what the 9ers did in that 49ers/texans game a few weeks ago (they scored 21 points in the 2nd half of that game after being shut out 21-0 in the firsthalf)
When we're down by 21+, our players seem to stop caring.
Like what the 9ers did in that 49ers/texans game a few weeks ago (they scored 21 points in the 2nd half of that game after being shut out 21-0 in the firsthalf)
