They count to me Mart. If I can actually remember picking them out and wearing them, they count. I covet the fact that I had those in 94. I guess you saying my mom owned them because she bought though, huh? Lol I feel you but I don't look at it like that. I absolutely understand what your saying about the years of bad quality 1s and Vegas being a nice change. But it goes to show just how bad it was in terms of JB quality issues if dudes were subjected to praising such a non OG cw like the Vegas simply because it was a Hi and had good quality. That's great, minus that fact that the CW sucks (IMO) and yes, it is not an OG. That's what I call a "thanks for nothing JB" kinda release. They were trolling by making those with good quality if you ask me. The very reason I didn't buy. Leather was good on em though, I'll admit. Still wouldn't wear. Just me though.