Jordan his Airness, says he can score 100 points in NBA today.

[CP1708]

itsaboutthattime wrote:

1) the point about that posts was that you had all time great players who didn't win while jordan was there (hakeem and drexler only won when jordan wasn't there)

2) the bulls did do that.. jordan and pippen played in the 92 olympics and pippen played in the 96 olympics

3) take a look at some of the teams jordan scored 50+ against:
63 against the 86 celtics in the playoffs
61 against the 87 pistons
59 against the 88 pistons
52 against the 88 celtics
54 agaisnt the 93 knicks
55 agaisnt the 95 kinicks

jordan was able to do it against great defensive teams in an era where the players were allowed to be physical on defense



You do realize that back then the final scores were 120-118 on a regular basis.  And you do realize that the reason for that was what?  The fact that everybody shot with 18 on the shot clock, ie, many more possessions per game. 

It wasn't until Riley Joined the Knicks in the mid 90's that they started to slow the game down, and LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF POSSESSIONS MJ COULD GET. 

So yes, Mike scored all those points, he was great, no doubt, he also had many many many possessions in which to work with back then.  It's a chicken and an egg argument in which there will never be a right/wrong answer.  We'll never know.  But quit acting like Mike played ball with a gun in his pocket it was so scary out there.  Those defenses you just named gave up well over 100 a night all the time, the speed of the game was MUCH faster then it is now.  Everything now is slowed up, look at your coach for 10 seconds, call a play, run around, and shoot with 5 left on the shot clock.  In the 80's early 90's it was rebound, outlet, one pass, jumpshot, 17 still on the clock.  That was the game.  Mike got to 69 vs the Cavs, in a game that went to OT.  How many friggin possessions were in that game?  53 minutes of fast paced basketball, and Mike got to 69.  Kobe played a game vs Dallas in which he was at 62 and done after 3 quarters.  Call me crazy, but that seems a tad more impressive.  BTW, didn't Dallas go to the finals that season he did that?  Kobe did that to a team that went all the way to the finals.  Mike did it to the Cavs. 

  

 

[CP1708]

itsaboutthattime wrote:

1) the point about that posts was that you had all time great players who didn't win while jordan was there (hakeem and drexler only won when jordan wasn't there)

2) the bulls did do that.. jordan and pippen played in the 92 olympics and pippen played in the 96 olympics

3) take a look at some of the teams jordan scored 50+ against:
63 against the 86 celtics in the playoffs
61 against the 87 pistons
59 against the 88 pistons
52 against the 88 celtics
54 agaisnt the 93 knicks
55 agaisnt the 95 kinicks

jordan was able to do it against great defensive teams in an era where the players were allowed to be physical on defense



You do realize that back then the final scores were 120-118 on a regular basis.  And you do realize that the reason for that was what?  The fact that everybody shot with 18 on the shot clock, ie, many more possessions per game. 

It wasn't until Riley Joined the Knicks in the mid 90's that they started to slow the game down, and LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF POSSESSIONS MJ COULD GET. 

So yes, Mike scored all those points, he was great, no doubt, he also had many many many possessions in which to work with back then.  It's a chicken and an egg argument in which there will never be a right/wrong answer.  We'll never know.  But quit acting like Mike played ball with a gun in his pocket it was so scary out there.  Those defenses you just named gave up well over 100 a night all the time, the speed of the game was MUCH faster then it is now.  Everything now is slowed up, look at your coach for 10 seconds, call a play, run around, and shoot with 5 left on the shot clock.  In the 80's early 90's it was rebound, outlet, one pass, jumpshot, 17 still on the clock.  That was the game.  Mike got to 69 vs the Cavs, in a game that went to OT.  How many friggin possessions were in that game?  53 minutes of fast paced basketball, and Mike got to 69.  Kobe played a game vs Dallas in which he was at 62 and done after 3 quarters.  Call me crazy, but that seems a tad more impressive.  BTW, didn't Dallas go to the finals that season he did that?  Kobe did that to a team that went all the way to the finals.  Mike did it to the Cavs. 

  

 

[murda he]

^People are just plain disillusion cuz...

 

[murda he]

^People are just plain disillusion cuz...

 

[dmbrhs]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

1 top 10 PG: stockton (payton could also go on this list, depending on where you rank him.. I personally put him just outside the top 10)
  

Hold on, sidebar: name the ten point guards you rate higher than Gary Payton.

 

[dmbrhs]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

1 top 10 PG: stockton (payton could also go on this list, depending on where you rank him.. I personally put him just outside the top 10)
  

Hold on, sidebar: name the ten point guards you rate higher than Gary Payton.

 

[cedric ceballos 1995 lakers]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

Originally Posted by Cedric Ceballos 1995 Lakers

1. your first point doesn't make sense though.  you said those players had to wait til jordan was retired or semi retired to get rings.  where's stockton, malone, and ewings rings. 

2. be realistic,  do you really think jordans bulls or any team in general in the current nba can win 32 playoff series in a row have their best player play in 1 olympics and their second best player play in 2 and win 8 titles straight while doing so.  your telling me there's going to be no serious injuries during that time and that teams aren't going to catch up over that timeframe and fatigue isn't going to eventually set in.

3. jordan is the goat but just because he says he's going to do something doesn't mean it's always going to happen.

regarding your post about kobe/gasol   answer this how many playoff games did jordan win before pippen came in 87-88?  ill answer it for you 1.  jordans the greatest player ever  there's no disputing that but even he needed quality players and coaching.

yes kobes 81 came against a team with crappy defense but his 62 in 3 quarters came against the 2nd best team in the league and that's a more impressive feat imo.  but seriously in hindsight 81 points and 100 points is cool and all but to me what you do over an entire season is what matters cuz hell even tony delk put up 50+ in a game  but jordans most impressive season stats to me is 87-88 when he won the scoring title and mvp.

i like mike the player i think he's the greatest to do it while were at it,  yea he's a **** as a person but what superstar isn't so thats irrelevant but what gets to me is when people either disparage other players accomplishments while making mike look godlike, or give him a free pass for some of his a hole moves to his teammates while crucifying kobe, bron, or any current player for similar things.

1) the point about that posts was that you had all time great players who didn't win while jordan was there (hakeem and drexler only won when jordan wasn't there)

2) the bulls did do that.. jordan and pippen played in the 92 olympics and pippen played in the 96 olympics

3) take a look at some of the teams jordan scored 50+ against:
63 against the 86 celtics in the playoffs
61 against the 87 pistons
59 against the 88 pistons
52 against the 88 celtics
54 agaisnt the 93 knicks
55 agaisnt the 95 kinicks

jordan was able to do it against great defensive teams in an era where the players were allowed to be physical on defense

sure it sounds nice to say kobe had 62 in 3 quarters against the 2nd best team.. but you're being disingenuous, because it was still the mavs.. who unless i am mistaken, are still not known for their defense..



I'm not dumping on kobe.. but the reason why i personally believe he gets crap for basically doing some of the same things jordan did is because unlike jordan, kobe has given up on his teams before.. hell he even tried to get traded


i feel you but would you agree that jordan was in the league at the perfect time?  if you think about it jordan played in the modern era but before the whole youtube, tmz, every little move or thing you do is scrutinized era, plus he charmed the media and was a good interview which worked in his favor too.  the stuff kobes gotten crap for he deserved and ill say that because i'm a laker fan before i'm a kobe fan, dude acted like a diva in 2007 and him and shaq both acted like divas in 2004.

they didn't win 32 straight playoff series though, they won 13 between 91-94   and then 12 between 96-98.  but i just don't see them winning every year, the extra 2 years woulda took its toll on mike in the later years and teams woulda built their entire teams strictly to beat the bulls by any means necessary but still they way they played in 93-94 without mike they very well coulda won 4 straight but i think houston woulda still won one of those years regardless plus they matched up well against the bulls. also if mike never retired in 1993, maybe they don't make some of the changes they made between the two 3 peat teams. I personally think the 91-93 bulls were better then the 96-98 bulls,  maybe they keep the first 3 peat team together longer, it's so many what ifs on that subject

but regarding jordans scoring outbursts in the 80's and against the knicks in the 90's their amazing hands down no doubt about that,  i remember 93-98 real well,  mainly the ecf against the knicks and him averaging 41 per game against the suns in the finals,  but kobes 62 in 3 quarters is an impressive feat as well regardless of who the team was,  same with 81, 61 in the garden (against a crappy knicks team though) etc.

i'm not comparing the 2, im just saying kobe has done some pretty impressive stuff too,  same with lebron as well but on the topic of 100 points,  i think any good offensive minded player could score 100 in a game if they got hot and their teammates kept getting them the ball once they knew it was a possibility it could happen.

to the other dude though who said jordan would average 60 a game in todays league, that's insane imo. i could see 40 a game and that itself would be an impressive feat but 60 a game is just unrealistic to expect.

 

[cedric ceballos 1995 lakers]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

Originally Posted by Cedric Ceballos 1995 Lakers

1. your first point doesn't make sense though.  you said those players had to wait til jordan was retired or semi retired to get rings.  where's stockton, malone, and ewings rings. 

2. be realistic,  do you really think jordans bulls or any team in general in the current nba can win 32 playoff series in a row have their best player play in 1 olympics and their second best player play in 2 and win 8 titles straight while doing so.  your telling me there's going to be no serious injuries during that time and that teams aren't going to catch up over that timeframe and fatigue isn't going to eventually set in.

3. jordan is the goat but just because he says he's going to do something doesn't mean it's always going to happen.

regarding your post about kobe/gasol   answer this how many playoff games did jordan win before pippen came in 87-88?  ill answer it for you 1.  jordans the greatest player ever  there's no disputing that but even he needed quality players and coaching.

yes kobes 81 came against a team with crappy defense but his 62 in 3 quarters came against the 2nd best team in the league and that's a more impressive feat imo.  but seriously in hindsight 81 points and 100 points is cool and all but to me what you do over an entire season is what matters cuz hell even tony delk put up 50+ in a game  but jordans most impressive season stats to me is 87-88 when he won the scoring title and mvp.

i like mike the player i think he's the greatest to do it while were at it,  yea he's a **** as a person but what superstar isn't so thats irrelevant but what gets to me is when people either disparage other players accomplishments while making mike look godlike, or give him a free pass for some of his a hole moves to his teammates while crucifying kobe, bron, or any current player for similar things.

1) the point about that posts was that you had all time great players who didn't win while jordan was there (hakeem and drexler only won when jordan wasn't there)

2) the bulls did do that.. jordan and pippen played in the 92 olympics and pippen played in the 96 olympics

3) take a look at some of the teams jordan scored 50+ against:
63 against the 86 celtics in the playoffs
61 against the 87 pistons
59 against the 88 pistons
52 against the 88 celtics
54 agaisnt the 93 knicks
55 agaisnt the 95 kinicks

jordan was able to do it against great defensive teams in an era where the players were allowed to be physical on defense

sure it sounds nice to say kobe had 62 in 3 quarters against the 2nd best team.. but you're being disingenuous, because it was still the mavs.. who unless i am mistaken, are still not known for their defense..



I'm not dumping on kobe.. but the reason why i personally believe he gets crap for basically doing some of the same things jordan did is because unlike jordan, kobe has given up on his teams before.. hell he even tried to get traded


i feel you but would you agree that jordan was in the league at the perfect time?  if you think about it jordan played in the modern era but before the whole youtube, tmz, every little move or thing you do is scrutinized era, plus he charmed the media and was a good interview which worked in his favor too.  the stuff kobes gotten crap for he deserved and ill say that because i'm a laker fan before i'm a kobe fan, dude acted like a diva in 2007 and him and shaq both acted like divas in 2004.

they didn't win 32 straight playoff series though, they won 13 between 91-94   and then 12 between 96-98.  but i just don't see them winning every year, the extra 2 years woulda took its toll on mike in the later years and teams woulda built their entire teams strictly to beat the bulls by any means necessary but still they way they played in 93-94 without mike they very well coulda won 4 straight but i think houston woulda still won one of those years regardless plus they matched up well against the bulls. also if mike never retired in 1993, maybe they don't make some of the changes they made between the two 3 peat teams. I personally think the 91-93 bulls were better then the 96-98 bulls,  maybe they keep the first 3 peat team together longer, it's so many what ifs on that subject

but regarding jordans scoring outbursts in the 80's and against the knicks in the 90's their amazing hands down no doubt about that,  i remember 93-98 real well,  mainly the ecf against the knicks and him averaging 41 per game against the suns in the finals,  but kobes 62 in 3 quarters is an impressive feat as well regardless of who the team was,  same with 81, 61 in the garden (against a crappy knicks team though) etc.

i'm not comparing the 2, im just saying kobe has done some pretty impressive stuff too,  same with lebron as well but on the topic of 100 points,  i think any good offensive minded player could score 100 in a game if they got hot and their teammates kept getting them the ball once they knew it was a possibility it could happen.

to the other dude though who said jordan would average 60 a game in todays league, that's insane imo. i could see 40 a game and that itself would be an impressive feat but 60 a game is just unrealistic to expect.

 

[chrisphreezy]

Michael's highest scoring games have come against the best defensive teams in the league. Kobe's have come against the worst. FACT

Michael's 50+ games have almost ALL been shooting over 50% if not all.

If Mike could drop 70 (69 is pretty much 70) on a playoff team with all stars like the Cavs, And Kobe could drop 81 on a scrub team today?

MJ would be able to drop 100 on the Raptors on his best night WITH over 50% shooting.

(Dont forget Mj's 63 against THE BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE after being injured the entire season)

Plus, imagine if MJ never injured his ankle. His numbers would have been insane.

 

[chrisphreezy]

Michael's highest scoring games have come against the best defensive teams in the league. Kobe's have come against the worst. FACT

Michael's 50+ games have almost ALL been shooting over 50% if not all.

If Mike could drop 70 (69 is pretty much 70) on a playoff team with all stars like the Cavs, And Kobe could drop 81 on a scrub team today?

MJ would be able to drop 100 on the Raptors on his best night WITH over 50% shooting.

(Dont forget Mj's 63 against THE BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE after being injured the entire season)

Plus, imagine if MJ never injured his ankle. His numbers would have been insane.

 

[IATT]

Originally Posted by AJIIIpLATINum

I think these five (2000-2010 MVP Award Team)  in their prime could take on any other eras five (MVP Award Team) in their prime.

Kobe would have to play forward here

or i would have to remove nash and put in Nowitzki as forward

or make duncan forward and add Shaq

. 

  

BTW i was born in 1984  

pg: stockton
sg: jordan
sf: pippen
pf: hakeem (we need to go bigger against duncant)
c: robinson (like him starting out against shaq better than ewing)

bench: barkley, ewing, malone, gary payton, reggie miller, young shaq, chris webber, young jason kidd, young garnett and a healthy grant hill

that would be my 15 from the 90s

 

[IATT]

Originally Posted by AJIIIpLATINum

I think these five (2000-2010 MVP Award Team)  in their prime could take on any other eras five (MVP Award Team) in their prime.

Kobe would have to play forward here

or i would have to remove nash and put in Nowitzki as forward

or make duncan forward and add Shaq

. 

  

BTW i was born in 1984  

pg: stockton
sg: jordan
sf: pippen
pf: hakeem (we need to go bigger against duncant)
c: robinson (like him starting out against shaq better than ewing)

bench: barkley, ewing, malone, gary payton, reggie miller, young shaq, chris webber, young jason kidd, young garnett and a healthy grant hill

that would be my 15 from the 90s

 

[ajiiiplatinum]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

Originally Posted by AJIIIpLATINum

I think these five (2000-2010 MVP Award Team)  in their prime could take on any other eras five (MVP Award Team) in their prime.

Kobe would have to play forward here

or i would have to remove nash and put in Nowitzki as forward

or make duncan forward and add Shaq

. 

  

BTW i was born in 1984  

pg: stockton
sg: jordan
sf: pippen
pf: hakeem (we need to go bigger against duncant)
c: robinson (like him starting out against shaq better than ewing)

bench: barkley, ewing, malone, gary payton, reggie miller, young shaq, chris webber, young jason kidd, young garnett and a healthy grant hill

that would be my 15 from the 90s

we get a bench????

I guess then Wade, Chris Paul, Howard, Stoudamire, McGrady, Garnett, Carmelo, and Durant.   
  

 

[ajiiiplatinum]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

Originally Posted by AJIIIpLATINum

I think these five (2000-2010 MVP Award Team)  in their prime could take on any other eras five (MVP Award Team) in their prime.

Kobe would have to play forward here

or i would have to remove nash and put in Nowitzki as forward

or make duncan forward and add Shaq

. 

  

BTW i was born in 1984  

pg: stockton
sg: jordan
sf: pippen
pf: hakeem (we need to go bigger against duncant)
c: robinson (like him starting out against shaq better than ewing)

bench: barkley, ewing, malone, gary payton, reggie miller, young shaq, chris webber, young jason kidd, young garnett and a healthy grant hill

that would be my 15 from the 90s

we get a bench????

I guess then Wade, Chris Paul, Howard, Stoudamire, McGrady, Garnett, Carmelo, and Durant.   
  

 

[tennhouse2]

The 1990 Cavs gave up 104 ppg

2006 Raptors gave up 99 ppg



so people please stop this argument about better and rougher defenses...they scored way more points in Jordan's day because of more possessions and lack of a zone defense

 

[tennhouse2]

The 1990 Cavs gave up 104 ppg

2006 Raptors gave up 99 ppg



so people please stop this argument about better and rougher defenses...they scored way more points in Jordan's day because of more possessions and lack of a zone defense

 

[informerx]

Originally Posted by cguy610

Originally Posted by Murda He

A lot of ya'll are just plain simple minded...

... Jordan would NOT score 100 points.

Kornheiser brought up a couple good points on PTI:



1. Jordan didn't shoot threes like Kobe does, and in order for a guard to put up that many points, he'd have to go off from out there. It just wasn't his style. Kobe hit 7 threes in his 81 point game.

2. Also, a guard like Jordan isn't going to get anything easy around the rim, such as put backs off of misses, which is what a guy like Wilt could do all night long



And then, even though defense is softer, you can still zone up and double team him and make everyone else beat you. No team is going to just let someone score 100.

PERIOD. Some of ya'll are just plain irrational... talking bout 25 a quarter is easy

.... it's 100 WHOLE points... ya'll slay me

... as easy as ya'll make 100 sound, why hasn't kobe repeated 81 already? Why hasn't lebron/wade dropped 80 (sometimey %%% jumpers that's why)? Why didn't T-Mac do it on them empty %%% Magic rosters... it's just 80. THAT'S why MJ ain't scoring 100 cuz it's actually *NOT* easy

. @*%$ outta here mike. He didn't even score 70 (like 70 is easy). Ya'll are a trip. The only other person in our time that could have almost put up 100 was Shaq, but he'd never have hit the necessary free throws (so he never even ALMOST did it). Man, you gotta have a TON of offensive rebounds, A TON of HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOTS around the rim, and 2 tons of free throws to put up 100 points. None of that fade away or dribble drive %*** is gonna get you passed 85 (or 69 apparently, if you ain't got a three ball).. too many misses...too much energy expended.

Dude, scoring 63 in a playoff game against one of the top defenses is almost like scoring 100 in a regular season game against one of the worst teams.

Why wouldn't a prime MJ be able to drop 100 against a bum team with today's rules?  Also, you acting like Kobe made 15-20 threes, he made 7 threes, which is a total of 7 extra points.  Give me a break man. 

Edited: Meant to say 63

Kill yerself.

 

[anthony stark]

Originally Posted by TennHouse2

The 1990 Cavs gave up 104 ppg

2006 Raptors gave up 99 ppg

so people please stop this argument about better and rougher defenses...they scored way more points in Jordan's day because of more possessions and lack of a zone defense

I hope you're not trying to say that the 2006 Raptors were better defensively than the 1990 Cavs just because of the PPG.

Especially after you admitted that more points were scored in the Jordan Era due to more possessions and lack of a zone defense.

 

[anthony stark]

Originally Posted by TennHouse2

The 1990 Cavs gave up 104 ppg

2006 Raptors gave up 99 ppg

so people please stop this argument about better and rougher defenses...they scored way more points in Jordan's day because of more possessions and lack of a zone defense

I hope you're not trying to say that the 2006 Raptors were better defensively than the 1990 Cavs just because of the PPG.

Especially after you admitted that more points were scored in the Jordan Era due to more possessions and lack of a zone defense.

 

[informerx]

Originally Posted by cguy610

Originally Posted by Murda He

A lot of ya'll are just plain simple minded...

... Jordan would NOT score 100 points.

Kornheiser brought up a couple good points on PTI:



1. Jordan didn't shoot threes like Kobe does, and in order for a guard to put up that many points, he'd have to go off from out there. It just wasn't his style. Kobe hit 7 threes in his 81 point game.

2. Also, a guard like Jordan isn't going to get anything easy around the rim, such as put backs off of misses, which is what a guy like Wilt could do all night long



And then, even though defense is softer, you can still zone up and double team him and make everyone else beat you. No team is going to just let someone score 100.

PERIOD. Some of ya'll are just plain irrational... talking bout 25 a quarter is easy

.... it's 100 WHOLE points... ya'll slay me

... as easy as ya'll make 100 sound, why hasn't kobe repeated 81 already? Why hasn't lebron/wade dropped 80 (sometimey %%% jumpers that's why)? Why didn't T-Mac do it on them empty %%% Magic rosters... it's just 80. THAT'S why MJ ain't scoring 100 cuz it's actually *NOT* easy

. @*%$ outta here mike. He didn't even score 70 (like 70 is easy). Ya'll are a trip. The only other person in our time that could have almost put up 100 was Shaq, but he'd never have hit the necessary free throws (so he never even ALMOST did it). Man, you gotta have a TON of offensive rebounds, A TON of HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOTS around the rim, and 2 tons of free throws to put up 100 points. None of that fade away or dribble drive %*** is gonna get you passed 85 (or 69 apparently, if you ain't got a three ball).. too many misses...too much energy expended.

Dude, scoring 63 in a playoff game against one of the top defenses is almost like scoring 100 in a regular season game against one of the worst teams.

Why wouldn't a prime MJ be able to drop 100 against a bum team with today's rules?  Also, you acting like Kobe made 15-20 threes, he made 7 threes, which is a total of 7 extra points.  Give me a break man. 

Edited: Meant to say 63

Kill yerself.

 

[tennhouse2]

Originally Posted by Anthony Stark

Originally Posted by TennHouse2

The 1990 Cavs gave up 104 ppg

2006 Raptors gave up 99 ppg

so people please stop this argument about better and rougher defenses...they scored way more points in Jordan's day because of more possessions and lack of a zone defense

I hope you're not trying to say that the 2006 Raptors were better defensively than the 1990 Cavs just because of the PPG.

Especially after you admitted that more points were scored in the Jordan Era due to more possessions and lack of a zone defense.

no what im rebutting are the people saying that what Kobe did wasent as impressive because he did it against "one of the wackest defenses in the league" and Jordan did it against Cavs who was "one of the best gefenses in the league" but then just ignore how much more points a game the teams back then gave up


The "wackest defense" in 2006 still held teams less then one of the best defenses in 1990...not because im saying there a better defense but there were other factors that made it easier for players back then to put up more points

 

[tennhouse2]

Originally Posted by Anthony Stark

Originally Posted by TennHouse2

The 1990 Cavs gave up 104 ppg

2006 Raptors gave up 99 ppg

so people please stop this argument about better and rougher defenses...they scored way more points in Jordan's day because of more possessions and lack of a zone defense

I hope you're not trying to say that the 2006 Raptors were better defensively than the 1990 Cavs just because of the PPG.

Especially after you admitted that more points were scored in the Jordan Era due to more possessions and lack of a zone defense.

no what im rebutting are the people saying that what Kobe did wasent as impressive because he did it against "one of the wackest defenses in the league" and Jordan did it against Cavs who was "one of the best gefenses in the league" but then just ignore how much more points a game the teams back then gave up


The "wackest defense" in 2006 still held teams less then one of the best defenses in 1990...not because im saying there a better defense but there were other factors that made it easier for players back then to put up more points

 

[kobe8is]

Originally Posted by Two One Supreme

Even if actually could, who says that? I agree he reigns supreme as far as legends of the game go. But throughout his career he gave the proverbial speech about how his success was predicated on what the guys before him achieved throughout the years. By saying this he not only negates his true feelings regarding the subject, but he steals the thunder of guys trying to build on the previous era of NBA basketball. This is his HOF speech all over again. Less is more, Mike. Take a page from greats Hank Aaron, Larry Bird or Bill Russell and impart wisdom, not arrogance.

BINGO!!!

 

[kobe8is]

Originally Posted by Two One Supreme

Even if actually could, who says that? I agree he reigns supreme as far as legends of the game go. But throughout his career he gave the proverbial speech about how his success was predicated on what the guys before him achieved throughout the years. By saying this he not only negates his true feelings regarding the subject, but he steals the thunder of guys trying to build on the previous era of NBA basketball. This is his HOF speech all over again. Less is more, Mike. Take a page from greats Hank Aaron, Larry Bird or Bill Russell and impart wisdom, not arrogance.

BINGO!!!

 

[anthony stark]

Originally Posted by TennHouse2

Originally Posted by Anthony Stark

Originally Posted by TennHouse2

The 1990 Cavs gave up 104 ppg

2006 Raptors gave up 99 ppg

so people please stop this argument about better and rougher defenses...they scored way more points in Jordan's day because of more possessions and lack of a zone defense

I hope you're not trying to say that the 2006 Raptors were better defensively than the 1990 Cavs just because of the PPG.

Especially after you admitted that more points were scored in the Jordan Era due to more possessions and lack of a zone defense.

no what im rebutting are the people saying that what Kobe did wasent as impressive because he did it against "one of the wackest defenses in the league" and Jordan did it against Cavs who was "one of the best gefenses in the league" but then just ignore how much more points a game the teams back then gave up


The "wackest defense" in 2006 still held teams less then one of the best defenses in 1990...not because im saying there a better defense but there were other factors that made it easier for players back then to put up more points

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