Jordan his Airness, says he can score 100 points in NBA today.

News flash for the ignorant, the NBA is slower, the pace of the game is MUCH slower, and has been slowing down steadily since we began keeping track of pace stats.

Lets take the best scoring season by Micheal Jordan 1986-1987 37 points a game, the Chicago bulls were SLOWEST paced team in the NBA, he used a whopping 38% of the bulls possessions, in today's NBA they would be the fastest tempo team in the NBA.

Jordan produced 1.18 points per possessions that year, subtract the points from assists it's about 1.02 points per possessions,the average nba game today has 92 possessions, Jordan would get 38%, that would decrease his scoring average to 34 points a game.

Jordan would score less if anything.
 
News flash for the ignorant, the NBA is slower, the pace of the game is MUCH slower, and has been slowing down steadily since we began keeping track of pace stats.

Lets take the best scoring season by Micheal Jordan 1986-1987 37 points a game, the Chicago bulls were SLOWEST paced team in the NBA, he used a whopping 38% of the bulls possessions, in today's NBA they would be the fastest tempo team in the NBA.

Jordan produced 1.18 points per possessions that year, subtract the points from assists it's about 1.02 points per possessions,the average nba game today has 92 possessions, Jordan would get 38%, that would decrease his scoring average to 34 points a game.

Jordan would score less if anything.
 
Originally Posted by Fatal Lightning

Originally Posted by Fatal Lightning

Originally Posted by cguy610

^ That's poppycock. There is no objective measure that you can point to that proves Kobe has a better offensive game than Jordan. Why is Kobe's field goal percentage WAAYYYYY lower than Jordan's?

Statements like that make me think you are a Kobe stan. I bet that by your logic, Patrick Ewing has a better offensive game than Shaq.

why jordan's field goal percentage is waaay higher than kobe? cause jordan went to the rim more, dunking and not shooting jumpers.

then tell me what jordan had in his offensive game when he was in his prime that kobe didnt have? his post up game came later on in his career. i dont consider '96-97 his prime. didnt shoot threes at all until later, his jumper was shaky. fade away also came later on in his career.
Confirmed. 
 
Originally Posted by Fatal Lightning

Originally Posted by Fatal Lightning

Originally Posted by cguy610

^ That's poppycock. There is no objective measure that you can point to that proves Kobe has a better offensive game than Jordan. Why is Kobe's field goal percentage WAAYYYYY lower than Jordan's?

Statements like that make me think you are a Kobe stan. I bet that by your logic, Patrick Ewing has a better offensive game than Shaq.

why jordan's field goal percentage is waaay higher than kobe? cause jordan went to the rim more, dunking and not shooting jumpers.

then tell me what jordan had in his offensive game when he was in his prime that kobe didnt have? his post up game came later on in his career. i dont consider '96-97 his prime. didnt shoot threes at all until later, his jumper was shaky. fade away also came later on in his career.
Confirmed. 
 
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

News flash for the ignorant, the NBA is slower, the pace of the game is MUCH slower, and has been slowing down steadily since we began keeping track of pace stats.

Lets take the best scoring season by Micheal Jordan 1986-1987 37 points a game, the Chicago bulls were SLOWEST paced team in the NBA, he used a whopping 38% of the bulls possessions, in today's NBA they would be the fastest tempo team in the NBA.

Jordan produced 1.18 points per possessions that year, subtract the points from assists it's about 1.02 points per possessions,the average nba game today has 92 possessions, Jordan would get 38%, that would decrease his scoring average to 34 points a game.

Jordan would score less if anything.
You gonna credit John Hollinger?
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tongue.gif
 
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

News flash for the ignorant, the NBA is slower, the pace of the game is MUCH slower, and has been slowing down steadily since we began keeping track of pace stats.

Lets take the best scoring season by Micheal Jordan 1986-1987 37 points a game, the Chicago bulls were SLOWEST paced team in the NBA, he used a whopping 38% of the bulls possessions, in today's NBA they would be the fastest tempo team in the NBA.

Jordan produced 1.18 points per possessions that year, subtract the points from assists it's about 1.02 points per possessions,the average nba game today has 92 possessions, Jordan would get 38%, that would decrease his scoring average to 34 points a game.

Jordan would score less if anything.
You gonna credit John Hollinger?
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tongue.gif
 
Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

Originally Posted by TennHouse2

Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

 


go through this post from first page to last and almost every laker fan is doubting/hating on mike

these laker fans feel threatened because they know kobe can never be mike

kobe knows it too
pimp.gif






�and look at these weak ##% big men in the game today that are unstoppable

al jefferson
kevin love
chris kaman
laugh.gif


no one in the league today can guard them down lown

they would not have done this 10-15 years ago






and then all the soft ##% euro-trash players would get bodied


rudy fernandez
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look at how many euros are in the league,they make up a big portion.

in the 90's there were players who could shoot just as good as these guys,but were more athletic and played more physical






its young kids and the idiot laker fans that need to quit commenting on the nba. (theres is a few intelligent laker fans out there)

you guys are wasting bandwithd
How is it Hating to not think he could score 100 pts in a game? no one is taking anything away from Jordan as a player, no one is saying hes not great. We just think that 100 pts in a game is a reach...people call anything hate now-a-days...and trust me its more then just laker fans


Al Jefferson, Kevin Love, Chris Kamen.....unstoppable 
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   When did this happen?


and as for the euro players The fact that they had more athletic players then the euros that are playing now doesent matter because there are more athletic players then them now. There not in the league because of there athleticsm, there in the league because of there fundimentils that where never taught better here in any generation.


who can stop these guys in the post? without a double team?

post all their stats and tell me they dont have good to great numbers.




and how are the players today more athletic?

do you have proof?

human beings have not physically evolved in the last 15 years, that takes millions of years.

todays plaers arent doin anything thats the players in the 90's werent.



dumb

why dont you actually read what i said

when did i say they dont have good or great numbers? theres a big difference between having good or great numbers and being "unstoppable"


And i wasent saying the people playing now are more athletic then the people playing then.....what i said was that just like the euro players werent the most athletic people beck in the 90's they arent right now either




dumb
 
Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

Originally Posted by TennHouse2

Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

 


go through this post from first page to last and almost every laker fan is doubting/hating on mike

these laker fans feel threatened because they know kobe can never be mike

kobe knows it too
pimp.gif






�and look at these weak ##% big men in the game today that are unstoppable

al jefferson
kevin love
chris kaman
laugh.gif


no one in the league today can guard them down lown

they would not have done this 10-15 years ago






and then all the soft ##% euro-trash players would get bodied


rudy fernandez
laugh.gif


look at how many euros are in the league,they make up a big portion.

in the 90's there were players who could shoot just as good as these guys,but were more athletic and played more physical






its young kids and the idiot laker fans that need to quit commenting on the nba. (theres is a few intelligent laker fans out there)

you guys are wasting bandwithd
How is it Hating to not think he could score 100 pts in a game? no one is taking anything away from Jordan as a player, no one is saying hes not great. We just think that 100 pts in a game is a reach...people call anything hate now-a-days...and trust me its more then just laker fans


Al Jefferson, Kevin Love, Chris Kamen.....unstoppable 
eek.gif
    
roll.gif
   When did this happen?


and as for the euro players The fact that they had more athletic players then the euros that are playing now doesent matter because there are more athletic players then them now. There not in the league because of there athleticsm, there in the league because of there fundimentils that where never taught better here in any generation.


who can stop these guys in the post? without a double team?

post all their stats and tell me they dont have good to great numbers.




and how are the players today more athletic?

do you have proof?

human beings have not physically evolved in the last 15 years, that takes millions of years.

todays plaers arent doin anything thats the players in the 90's werent.



dumb

why dont you actually read what i said

when did i say they dont have good or great numbers? theres a big difference between having good or great numbers and being "unstoppable"


And i wasent saying the people playing now are more athletic then the people playing then.....what i said was that just like the euro players werent the most athletic people beck in the 90's they arent right now either




dumb
 
Originally Posted by PMatic

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

News flash for the ignorant, the NBA is slower, the pace of the game is MUCH slower, and has been slowing down steadily since we began keeping track of pace stats.

Lets take the best scoring season by Micheal Jordan 1986-1987 37 points a game, the Chicago bulls were SLOWEST paced team in the NBA, he used a whopping 38% of the bulls possessions, in today's NBA they would be the fastest tempo team in the NBA.

Jordan produced 1.18 points per possessions that year, subtract the points from assists it's about 1.02 points per possessions,the average nba game today has 92 possessions, Jordan would get 38%, that would decrease his scoring average to 34 points a game.

Jordan would score less if anything.
You gonna credit John Hollinger?
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tongue.gif
My internet has been broken for a couple days...im guessing he posted something similar, sucks I spent five minutes doing that math.
 
Originally Posted by PMatic

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

News flash for the ignorant, the NBA is slower, the pace of the game is MUCH slower, and has been slowing down steadily since we began keeping track of pace stats.

Lets take the best scoring season by Micheal Jordan 1986-1987 37 points a game, the Chicago bulls were SLOWEST paced team in the NBA, he used a whopping 38% of the bulls possessions, in today's NBA they would be the fastest tempo team in the NBA.

Jordan produced 1.18 points per possessions that year, subtract the points from assists it's about 1.02 points per possessions,the average nba game today has 92 possessions, Jordan would get 38%, that would decrease his scoring average to 34 points a game.

Jordan would score less if anything.
You gonna credit John Hollinger?
laugh.gif
tongue.gif
My internet has been broken for a couple days...im guessing he posted something similar, sucks I spent five minutes doing that math.
 
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by PMatic

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

News flash for the ignorant, the NBA is slower, the pace of the game is MUCH slower, and has been slowing down steadily since we began keeping track of pace stats.

Lets take the best scoring season by Micheal Jordan 1986-1987 37 points a game, the Chicago bulls were SLOWEST paced team in the NBA, he used a whopping 38% of the bulls possessions, in today's NBA they would be the fastest tempo team in the NBA.

Jordan produced 1.18 points per possessions that year, subtract the points from assists it's about 1.02 points per possessions,the average nba game today has 92 possessions, Jordan would get 38%, that would decrease his scoring average to 34 points a game.

Jordan would score less if anything.
You gonna credit John Hollinger?
laugh.gif
tongue.gif
My internet has been broken for a couple days...im guessing he posted something similar, sucks I spent five minutes doing that math.
Yeah read it earlier today.
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Taking air out of MJ's 100-point claim

Could Michael Jordan score 100 points in a game with today’s more permissive rules for driving ballhandlers? He said he could in a recent interview, but looking at things more closely sheds serious doubt on his claim. While Jordan indeed would have benefited from today’s officiating approach, other trends -- most notably the dramatic slowing of pace over the past two decades -- would work against him. Additionally, as great a scorer as Jordan was, he would need a phenomenal increase in his scoring rates to get anywhere near the century mark. Let’s look at the numbers:

Jordan's best season was the 37.1 ppg he averaged in 1986-87. That season the Bulls played the league's slowest pace but still played 3.1 possessions per game more than the average team in 2009-10. Even if the Bulls of that season had dramatically increased their pace to play at a league-average level, Jordan would lose about 3.3 percent of his output (after adjusting to the slower pace of today’s game), other things being equal, and end up at 35.9 points per game.

Let's try to offset against his claim he'd score more easily against today's defenses. It's difficult to imagine him getting the rock much more -- he had the second-highest pace-adjusted Usage Rate in history in 1986-87 and by far the highest of his career -- but suppose he eked out one percent more under today's rules.

Further, suppose that he was so massively effective with today's rules that he led the league in TS% at 66.0 rather than his final mark of 56.2 -- this would be a gargantuan leap, but humor me and suppose it happened.

Assuming all that, 2010 Jordan would have ended up at 44.8 points per game -- still well south of Wilt's record, let alone a hundred. If we put in a slightly less wildly optimistic assumption about TS% -- let's say that he benefited from the hand-checking rules enough to get a 5.2-point bump in TS%, to his career-high of 61.4 -- that puts him at 39.6 points per game.

Which is awesome, of course. But if he could have scored a hundred with today's rules, you'd think he'd at least have come close in the faster-paced days of yore. And the closest he ever came (69 against Cleveland in 1990) was still 31 points short, even with an extra five minutes for overtime.
 
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by PMatic

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

News flash for the ignorant, the NBA is slower, the pace of the game is MUCH slower, and has been slowing down steadily since we began keeping track of pace stats.

Lets take the best scoring season by Micheal Jordan 1986-1987 37 points a game, the Chicago bulls were SLOWEST paced team in the NBA, he used a whopping 38% of the bulls possessions, in today's NBA they would be the fastest tempo team in the NBA.

Jordan produced 1.18 points per possessions that year, subtract the points from assists it's about 1.02 points per possessions,the average nba game today has 92 possessions, Jordan would get 38%, that would decrease his scoring average to 34 points a game.

Jordan would score less if anything.
You gonna credit John Hollinger?
laugh.gif
tongue.gif
My internet has been broken for a couple days...im guessing he posted something similar, sucks I spent five minutes doing that math.
Yeah read it earlier today.
laugh.gif

Taking air out of MJ's 100-point claim

Could Michael Jordan score 100 points in a game with today’s more permissive rules for driving ballhandlers? He said he could in a recent interview, but looking at things more closely sheds serious doubt on his claim. While Jordan indeed would have benefited from today’s officiating approach, other trends -- most notably the dramatic slowing of pace over the past two decades -- would work against him. Additionally, as great a scorer as Jordan was, he would need a phenomenal increase in his scoring rates to get anywhere near the century mark. Let’s look at the numbers:

Jordan's best season was the 37.1 ppg he averaged in 1986-87. That season the Bulls played the league's slowest pace but still played 3.1 possessions per game more than the average team in 2009-10. Even if the Bulls of that season had dramatically increased their pace to play at a league-average level, Jordan would lose about 3.3 percent of his output (after adjusting to the slower pace of today’s game), other things being equal, and end up at 35.9 points per game.

Let's try to offset against his claim he'd score more easily against today's defenses. It's difficult to imagine him getting the rock much more -- he had the second-highest pace-adjusted Usage Rate in history in 1986-87 and by far the highest of his career -- but suppose he eked out one percent more under today's rules.

Further, suppose that he was so massively effective with today's rules that he led the league in TS% at 66.0 rather than his final mark of 56.2 -- this would be a gargantuan leap, but humor me and suppose it happened.

Assuming all that, 2010 Jordan would have ended up at 44.8 points per game -- still well south of Wilt's record, let alone a hundred. If we put in a slightly less wildly optimistic assumption about TS% -- let's say that he benefited from the hand-checking rules enough to get a 5.2-point bump in TS%, to his career-high of 61.4 -- that puts him at 39.6 points per game.

Which is awesome, of course. But if he could have scored a hundred with today's rules, you'd think he'd at least have come close in the faster-paced days of yore. And the closest he ever came (69 against Cleveland in 1990) was still 31 points short, even with an extra five minutes for overtime.
 
Originally Posted by Cfranchise26

I dont care what ya'll jordan heads say

MJ would not drop 100 pts in a game, most dude dropped was 69pts in that was going into Overtime.

ya'll give MJ too much credit, dude was nice, best to play the game but he aint droppin 100pts in a game.


In the entire history of the game, only two players have scored over 80 & only 4 have scored over 70. So why is MJ, who isn't a member of either group saying that he could have scored over 100? The guy didn't have the green light the green light in '87 when they weren't championship contenders? Same guy who has attempted more field goals in a single game than Kobe (49) but finished with only 64? You want to say that it was a more physical era? For every Detroit & Boston, there were a Clippers & Washington to even things out. Make a case for hand checking? Well let's factor zone defense & the fact that today's players are more athletic/ stronger & alot of the guys from the 80's-90's wouldn't make a training camp in today's NBA. Zone defense? It's a wash. 

Lets look at average scoring, if the defense was such a factor then why are the numbers similar in Jordan's era?
http://thereal2kinsider.b...ng-and-rule-changes.html

1986: 107.2
1987: 108.3
1988: 108.0
1989: 107.8 1990: 108.1
1991: 107.9
1992: 108.2
1993: 108.0
1994: 106.3
1995: 108.3
1996: 107.6
1997: 106.7
1998: 105.0
1999: 102.2

2000: 104.1
2001: 103.0
2002: 104.5
2003: 103.6
2004: 102.9

2005: 106.1
2006: 106.2
2007: 106.5
2008: 107.5
2009: 108.3
2010: 106.8


And to all you discrediting Kobe's 81, where is the hate for this performance?
 
Originally Posted by Cfranchise26

I dont care what ya'll jordan heads say

MJ would not drop 100 pts in a game, most dude dropped was 69pts in that was going into Overtime.

ya'll give MJ too much credit, dude was nice, best to play the game but he aint droppin 100pts in a game.


In the entire history of the game, only two players have scored over 80 & only 4 have scored over 70. So why is MJ, who isn't a member of either group saying that he could have scored over 100? The guy didn't have the green light the green light in '87 when they weren't championship contenders? Same guy who has attempted more field goals in a single game than Kobe (49) but finished with only 64? You want to say that it was a more physical era? For every Detroit & Boston, there were a Clippers & Washington to even things out. Make a case for hand checking? Well let's factor zone defense & the fact that today's players are more athletic/ stronger & alot of the guys from the 80's-90's wouldn't make a training camp in today's NBA. Zone defense? It's a wash. 

Lets look at average scoring, if the defense was such a factor then why are the numbers similar in Jordan's era?
http://thereal2kinsider.b...ng-and-rule-changes.html

1986: 107.2
1987: 108.3
1988: 108.0
1989: 107.8 1990: 108.1
1991: 107.9
1992: 108.2
1993: 108.0
1994: 106.3
1995: 108.3
1996: 107.6
1997: 106.7
1998: 105.0
1999: 102.2

2000: 104.1
2001: 103.0
2002: 104.5
2003: 103.6
2004: 102.9

2005: 106.1
2006: 106.2
2007: 106.5
2008: 107.5
2009: 108.3
2010: 106.8


And to all you discrediting Kobe's 81, where is the hate for this performance?
 
Originally Posted by goldenarmz97

Originally Posted by Cfranchise26

I dont care what ya'll jordan heads say

MJ would not drop 100 pts in a game, most dude dropped was 69pts in that was going into Overtime.

ya'll give MJ too much credit, dude was nice, best to play the game but he aint droppin 100pts in a game.


In the entire history of the game, only two players have scored over 80 & only 4 have scored over 70. So why is MJ, who isn't a member of either group saying that he could have scored over 100? The guy didn't have the green light the green light in '87 when they weren't championship contenders? Same guy who has attempted more field goals in a single game than Kobe (49) but finished with only 64? You want to say that it was a more physical era? For every Detroit & Boston, there were a Clippers & Washington to even things out. Make a case for hand checking? Well let's factor zone defense & the fact that today's players are more athletic/ stronger & alot of the guys from the 80's-90's wouldn't make a training camp in today's NBA. Zone defense? It's a wash.�


Lets look at average scoring, if the defense was such a factor then why are the numbers similar in Jordan's era?

[URL]http://thereal2kinsider.b...ng-and-rule-changes.html[/url]

1986: 107.2
1987: 108.3
1988: 108.0
1989: 107.8 � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 1990: 108.1
1991: 107.9
1992: 108.2
1993: 108.0
1994: 106.3
1995: 108.3
1996: 107.6
1997: 106.7
1998: 105.0
1999: 102.2


2000: 104.1
2001: 103.0
2002: 104.5
2003: 103.6
2004: 102.9


2005: 106.1
2006: 106.2
2007: 106.5
2008: 107.5
2009: 108.3
2010: 106.8

And to all you discrediting Kobe's 81, where is the hate for this performance?




Shut yo !%% up. 
 
Originally Posted by goldenarmz97

Originally Posted by Cfranchise26

I dont care what ya'll jordan heads say

MJ would not drop 100 pts in a game, most dude dropped was 69pts in that was going into Overtime.

ya'll give MJ too much credit, dude was nice, best to play the game but he aint droppin 100pts in a game.


In the entire history of the game, only two players have scored over 80 & only 4 have scored over 70. So why is MJ, who isn't a member of either group saying that he could have scored over 100? The guy didn't have the green light the green light in '87 when they weren't championship contenders? Same guy who has attempted more field goals in a single game than Kobe (49) but finished with only 64? You want to say that it was a more physical era? For every Detroit & Boston, there were a Clippers & Washington to even things out. Make a case for hand checking? Well let's factor zone defense & the fact that today's players are more athletic/ stronger & alot of the guys from the 80's-90's wouldn't make a training camp in today's NBA. Zone defense? It's a wash.�


Lets look at average scoring, if the defense was such a factor then why are the numbers similar in Jordan's era?

[URL]http://thereal2kinsider.b...ng-and-rule-changes.html[/url]

1986: 107.2
1987: 108.3
1988: 108.0
1989: 107.8 � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 1990: 108.1
1991: 107.9
1992: 108.2
1993: 108.0
1994: 106.3
1995: 108.3
1996: 107.6
1997: 106.7
1998: 105.0
1999: 102.2


2000: 104.1
2001: 103.0
2002: 104.5
2003: 103.6
2004: 102.9


2005: 106.1
2006: 106.2
2007: 106.5
2008: 107.5
2009: 108.3
2010: 106.8

And to all you discrediting Kobe's 81, where is the hate for this performance?




Shut yo !%% up. 
 
Originally Posted by EvansST

I can't believe I'm going to be reading Kobe > Jordan in the next few years. These kids man...
everyone knows that jordan is better than kobe. but no one is ever gonna say that there is any player better than jordan even if that player has better numbers, championships. according to some people on this board jordan is closest thing next to god, and you cant say anything bad about him.

i love jordan just as much as everyone else, but to say greatest ever? no, cause he didnt dominate his sport like gretzky did. it took jordan 6 years for his 1st championship and get kicked out every time before when he made the playoffs. putting up numbers is cool and people can say jordan has all those mvp trophies, but those are also credited towards his teammates and not just individual performances.
 
Originally Posted by EvansST

I can't believe I'm going to be reading Kobe > Jordan in the next few years. These kids man...
everyone knows that jordan is better than kobe. but no one is ever gonna say that there is any player better than jordan even if that player has better numbers, championships. according to some people on this board jordan is closest thing next to god, and you cant say anything bad about him.

i love jordan just as much as everyone else, but to say greatest ever? no, cause he didnt dominate his sport like gretzky did. it took jordan 6 years for his 1st championship and get kicked out every time before when he made the playoffs. putting up numbers is cool and people can say jordan has all those mvp trophies, but those are also credited towards his teammates and not just individual performances.
 
Originally Posted by Fatal Lightning

Originally Posted by EvansST

I can't believe I'm going to be reading Kobe > Jordan in the next few years. These kids man...
everyone knows that jordan is better than kobe. but no one is ever gonna say that there is any player better than jordan even if that player has better numbers, championships. according to some people on this board jordan is closest thing next to god, and you cant say anything bad about him.

i love jordan just as much as everyone else, but to say greatest ever? no, cause he didnt dominate his sport like gretzky did. it took jordan 6 years for his 1st championship and get kicked out every time before when he made the playoffs. putting up numbers is cool and people can say jordan has all those mvp trophies, but those are also credited towards his teammates and not just individual performances.
Why you edit your post bro?  
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It CLEARLY said "everyone knows that kobe is better than jordan"

I see that cover up.
 
Alot of hurt feelings in here...one of the first posts more or less should have ended this discussion. This was really just hyperbole to sell a game. You can go buy the game and make this happen in a 12 minute quarter with ease...
 
Alot of hurt feelings in here...one of the first posts more or less should have ended this discussion. This was really just hyperbole to sell a game. You can go buy the game and make this happen in a 12 minute quarter with ease...
 
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