Jordan III REIMAGINED “White Cement” -March 11th 2023

spoonmanofthehour said:
Yeah, well we don’t come here to hook you up with GD restock info of size 11’s.
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MJO23DAN said:
Comparing MJ’s PE vs the general release of the original isn’t the same.

Example of that is MJ’s AJ 1 being a mid vs the OG release being a high. Or the Airship he wore being a PE with the AJ 1 tooling vs the general release having something completely different.
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True but how much of an impact would that have on elephant print? I'd imagine if Nike can't keep his PEs consistent they would definitely struggle to keep EP consistent across multiple colorways made in multiple factories for the mass production run, right? Even looking at images of retail pairs EP doesn't look consistent. BUT, you're the OG triple OG so I'm for sure not about to try and trump you on this one 😂. Just asking the question. It really doesn't seem like EP was ever a consistent thing but as time went on we believed it was.
 
witnesskb24 said:
Sneaker culture always been around, now you just got the suburban white, Asian, etc., kids in the mix because it’s seen as a business now
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Long post again....I disagree. Sneaker culture has always been around and the suburban white, Asian, etc. kids have always been in the mix. What's new is that being a "sneaker head/hype beast" is trendy to the public like never before and the barrier to being a "sneaker head/hype beast" is lower than ever before. When you have Hulk Hogan posting IG pics with his "collection" you known things dun changed 😂. It's like when the MCU kicked off and all of a sudden everyone was a marvel comics expert and I'm having conversations with people who a year before couldn't tell Deadpool from Deadshot. Travis Scott and Kanye West and Social Media. That's who we responsible for this. Kanye brought fashion and sneakers to the masses like no one else before him and the internet helped. Sneakers were apart of Ye the way drugs and and hustling were apart of Jay Z. Then Travis Scott did the same. Kids related sneakers to Travis the same way we related sneakers to MJ. I always looked to see what shoes rappers had on but I never cared more about the sneakers they had on than the bars they spit. Butnkids these days care more about the kicks than the bars. We talked about what Jay Z SAID. They talk about what Travis WORE. And of course you have the explosion of social media bringing it to the masses and flex culture being a thing. Now sneakers are a social currency and a literal currency like never before. So people who don't really engage deeply with the culture are in the culture and it's more of them than us. Now people who thought I was weird for having more than 20 pairs of shoes are taking to me about releases like they been down since way back. Like I said, you want the best analogy for where sneakers are today? Look at the explosion of the MCU. You have people that will not miss a Marvel movie or TV show but still have never held a comic book in their hand. Comic culture was always a thing but it has undoubtedly blown up. Sneaker culture also has always been a thing, but it has also undoubtedly blown up.
 
kingsrborn said:
Lol at the majority of yall talking about Sneaker Culture was the same as it was in the 1980,s and early 1990,s, as it is right now. No TF it wasnt, I was around when all of this started from day 1 before Jordan was even signed to Nike. I was a kid back then, and got to have experiences with my older cousins and uncles lining up for OG releases at stores. Yes, other ethnicities were buying Jordans, Nikes, Reeboks, etc way back then. But us (African Americans were the people who wore them in abundance at the beginning, and we were the demographic of people who actually made Nike and these other Shoe companies what they are today.)

Jordans were frowned upon from 85 - 89 in my city and state, which is a popular big city, so I for sure know that it wasn't anymore different in smaller regions back then too. Jordan was a new NBA player wearing GOLD CHAINS with Red/Black (back then seen as weird to the masses, including Suburban people). Not to sounded racist, because im 100% not racist at all, but Jordans 1,2,3,4,5,6,s was a Black thing, urban people was the face of sneakers back then.

Then you had a small demographic of others who loved Jordans just as much, but they weren't the majority and the face of the sneaker culture like they are right now. This topic is funny, because alot of outsiders try to rewrite history as time goes along, just as how other races of people try to rewrite the narrative and storyline about who created Hip Hop/Rap nowadays.

The problem is that we're always accepting of others to hop in what we create and see as popular, because as a people, we're highly unliked on a personal level to the masses. But when we create and say something is cool, everybody follows and copies our opinions after the fact. Jordans were seen as threat and looked down upon in his first couple of years in the league.

He was fined, commentators along with the surburban community back then called them ugly overpriced tennis shoes back. Street Culture, Urban communities, along with Hip Hop culture got behind Jordans FIRST, then EVERYBODY ELSE followed suit afterwards.

It's not like how y'all are describing it right now. It was the complete opposite of how it is today. Fast forward to right now, and everything has changed because of how Jordan and Nike wanted to market his shoes after around the 1990,s were finished.

They didn't want his brand being highly associated with the hood, ghetto, urban communities, because they feel like that would've stunted the brands growth going into the future, especially after what he accomplished on the court.

The cold part about this is that same community is what helped his brand become what it was at the beginning of his career. Fast forward to right now, we have other ethnicities out here acting as if everybody played a part in what Jordans are today.

Nice try, but alot of us that were around at the beginning know what actually happened back in the mid 1980,s. Jordans were not a Suburban thing when he came into the league, it was PREDOMINANTLY A BLACK THING at the time.

None of us are saying other races didn't wear Jordans back then, we're talking about who was the face of it at the start. It's definitely the total opposite right now.

From social media pages, television, marketing, reselling, etc,WE'RE NOT THE FACE OF IT ANYMORE. This is why alot of people can feel comfortable acting like it was always like how it is today back in 85,86,87,88, in which it surely wasn't.

It was always FCFS back then at stores. There was no releases online, no reselling app,s and groups and communities of trust fund kids and adults who overpaying for alot of stock because of how sneaker culture is way more of a business right now than it's ever been.

Reselling was around, but it was a small community before 2005 hit. Now 50% to 70% of all of the releases are being bought up by people who just want to throw them up on StockX, GOAT, Ebay, Offerup, Ig, and other reselling platforms, just to sell for a way higher mark up price. Whenever we missed out on Jordan releases in 85- 97, we could find a store that still had stock of DS pairs to try on and walk out with.

Sometimes they would have left over stock from the last release during the actual new release. None of y'all can even compare to what's going on right now to back then. Shoes aren't even released to the public anymore at this point.

Employees, resellers, and friends get to eat up everything first, and then the majority of the people who actually want to wear the shoes have to pay resell, so resell is actually the new retail in the reality of things right now. From reselling stores to sneaker conventions, to where it is TODAY, it's a sh!% show for the people who actually want to wear the shoes outside on a daily basis.

People are buying these shoes to hoard for future value, collecting purposes, or for social media stuntin. Basically, because of how shoes are sold online/raffles/lottery system today, to the resellers, it's not even about wearing the shoes anymore.

The most crazy part about all of this is that this has gentrified and excluded a certain demographic of people to not even be able to participate in buying certain shoes such as these. There's alot of OG buyers 44 + years old, who have left and never looked back because of how sneaker buying has changed today.
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Agreed. Good read. All facts. Lol
 
dblplay1212 said:
I stopped reading this foolishness right here. Man I'm white af and grew up in Alabama. I was 12 in 1990. My mother stood in line at Champs the night of the release bc my bday was the next day. The next day I was the only kid in school with the Metallic 5's on. People were interrupting my class to see them. So maybe in your area y'all slept but MJ was a thing by 88 in most of the country. Mars Blackmon and the 4's were like the biggest commerical of 1989. Stop with this foolishness that it was black thing until 1992. That's just wrong.
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You kind of proved his point when you said:

"The next day I was the only kid in school with the Metallic 5's on. People were interrupting my class to see them. "

No one is doing that these days. Why? Because people like you and me grew up and made sneakers cooler and more acceptable than ever before and had kids/nieces/nephews and now it's normal for multiple kids to have Jordans on. To get that kind of reaction these days a fifth grader would have to wear Travis Scott's or off-whites.

You want proof the game is different? Look at album covers back then and now. People proudly wore obviously worn kicks on their album covers. These days everytbing is deadstock unless it's a white air force 1 or panda dunk
 
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TexasDillo said:
I have a feeling these will restock a lot more than the L&F, but that is just my 2 cents
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They definitely will. Most likely will show up on a SNKRS reserve at least once with all the returns.

This release really made me appreciate how nice the FR3s were this last year. Yeah quality wasn’t 100% on those but the variation on the details wasn’t this extreme.
 
kingsrborn said:
Lol at the majority of yall talking about Sneaker Culture was the same as it was in the 1980,s and early 1990,s, as it is right now. No TF it wasnt, I was around when all of this started from day 1 before Jordan was even signed to Nike. I was a kid back then, and got to have experiences with my older cousins and uncles lining up for OG releases at stores. Yes, other ethnicities were buying Jordans, Nikes, Reeboks, etc way back then. But us (African Americans were the people who wore them in abundance at the beginning, and we were the demographic of people who actually made Nike and these other Shoe companies what they are today.)

Jordans were frowned upon from 85 - 89 in my city and state, which is a popular big city, so I for sure know that it wasn't anymore different in smaller regions back then too. Jordan was a new NBA player wearing GOLD CHAINS with Red/Black (back then seen as weird to the masses, including Suburban people). Not to sounded racist, because im 100% not racist at all, but Jordans 1,2,3,4,5,6,s was a Black thing, urban people was the face of sneakers back then.

Then you had a small demographic of others who loved Jordans just as much, but they weren't the majority and the face of the sneaker culture like they are right now. This topic is funny, because alot of outsiders try to rewrite history as time goes along, just as how other races of people try to rewrite the narrative and storyline about who created Hip Hop/Rap nowadays.

The problem is that we're always accepting of others to hop in what we create and see as popular, because as a people, we're highly unliked on a personal level to the masses. But when we create and say something is cool, everybody follows and copies our opinions after the fact. Jordans were seen as threat and looked down upon in his first couple of years in the league.

He was fined, commentators along with the surburban community back then called them ugly overpriced tennis shoes back. Street Culture, Urban communities, along with Hip Hop culture got behind Jordans FIRST, then EVERYBODY ELSE followed suit afterwards.

It's not like how y'all are describing it right now. It was the complete opposite of how it is today. Fast forward to right now, and everything has changed because of how Jordan and Nike wanted to market his shoes after around the 1990,s were finished.

They didn't want his brand being highly associated with the hood, ghetto, urban communities, because they feel like that would've stunted the brands growth going into the future, especially after what he accomplished on the court.

The cold part about this is that same community is what helped his brand become what it was at the beginning of his career. Fast forward to right now, we have other ethnicities out here acting as if everybody played a part in what Jordans are today.

Nice try, but alot of us that were around at the beginning know what actually happened back in the mid 1980,s. Jordans were not a Suburban thing when he came into the league, it was PREDOMINANTLY A BLACK THING at the time.

None of us are saying other races didn't wear Jordans back then, we're talking about who was the face of it at the start. It's definitely the total opposite right now.

From social media pages, television, marketing, reselling, etc,WE'RE NOT THE FACE OF IT ANYMORE. This is why alot of people can feel comfortable acting like it was always like how it is today back in 85,86,87,88, in which it surely wasn't.

It was always FCFS back then at stores. There was no releases online, no reselling app,s and groups and communities of trust fund kids and adults who overpaying for alot of stock because of how sneaker culture is way more of a business right now than it's ever been.

Reselling was around, but it was a small community before 2005 hit. Now 50% to 70% of all of the releases are being bought up by people who just want to throw them up on StockX, GOAT, Ebay, Offerup, Ig, and other reselling platforms, just to sell for a way higher mark up price. Whenever we missed out on Jordan releases in 85- 97, we could find a store that still had stock of DS pairs to try on and walk out with.

Sometimes they would have left over stock from the last release during the actual new release. None of y'all can even compare to what's going on right now to back then. Shoes aren't even released to the public anymore at this point.

Employees, resellers, and friends get to eat up everything first, and then the majority of the people who actually want to wear the shoes have to pay resell, so resell is actually the new retail in the reality of things right now. From reselling stores to sneaker conventions, to where it is TODAY, it's a sh!% show for the people who actually want to wear the shoes outside on a daily basis.

People are buying these shoes to hoard for future value, collecting purposes, or for social media stuntin. Basically, because of how shoes are sold online/raffles/lottery system today, to the resellers, it's not even about wearing the shoes anymore.

The most crazy part about all of this is that this has gentrified and excluded a certain demographic of people to not even be able to participate in buying certain shoes such as these. There's alot of OG buyers 44 + years old, who have left and never looked back because of how sneaker buying has changed today.
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Excellent post.

The only thing that I will correct is that all races were sneakerheads. Black folks wasn't the face of sneakers back in the day. I'm proof of this. HIP HOP was and still is the face of sneakers! And that includes many different races of people
 
MotownSole said:
You kind of proved his point when you said:

"The next day I was the only kid in school with the Metallic 5's on. People were interrupting my class to see them. "

No one is doing that these days. Why? Because people like you and me grew up and made sneakers cooler and more acceptable than ever before and had kids/nieces/nephews and now it's normal for multiple kids tonga r the Jordans on. To get that kind of reaction these days a fth grader would have to wear Travis Scott's or off whites.

You want proof the game is different? Look at album covers back then and now. People proudly wore obviously worn kicks on their album covers. These days everytbing is deadstock unless it's a white air force 1 or panda dunk
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His point was sneakers was a black thing until 92 and that's just not true. MJ was a global icon by 88/89. Tons of little white kids were wearing 3s and 4s.

But yea obviously things have changed. We see pics 6 months before a release now. That wasn't the case back then. People interrupted my class to get a glimpse.
 
Fellas these LN4 pairs are overrated. LMN pairs are pretty good too. This is what I believe JD/FNL got. Saw 4 people check their pairs at JD and they were all very good. Even the employees made sure to check for good EP prints.
 
kingsrborn said:
Lol at the majority of yall talking about Sneaker Culture was the same as it was in the 1980,s and early 1990,s, as it is right now. No TF it wasnt, I was around when all of this started from day 1 before Jordan was even signed to Nike. I was a kid back then, and got to have experiences with my older cousins and uncles lining up for OG releases at stores. Yes, other ethnicities were buying Jordans, Nikes, Reeboks, etc way back then. But us (African Americans were the people who wore them in abundance at the beginning, and we were the demographic of people who actually made Nike and these other Shoe companies what they are today.)

Jordans were frowned upon from 85 - 89 in my city and state, which is a popular big city, so I for sure know that it wasn't anymore different in smaller regions back then too. Jordan was a new NBA player wearing GOLD CHAINS with Red/Black (back then seen as weird to the masses, including Suburban people). Not to sounded racist, because im 100% not racist at all, but Jordans 1,2,3,4,5,6,s was a Black thing, urban people was the face of sneakers back then.

Then you had a small demographic of others who loved Jordans just as much, but they weren't the majority and the face of the sneaker culture like they are right now. This topic is funny, because alot of outsiders try to rewrite history as time goes along, just as how other races of people try to rewrite the narrative and storyline about who created Hip Hop/Rap nowadays.

The problem is that we're always accepting of others to hop in what we create and see as popular, because as a people, we're highly unliked on a personal level to the masses. But when we create and say something is cool, everybody follows and copies our opinions after the fact. Jordans were seen as threat and looked down upon in his first couple of years in the league.

He was fined, commentators along with the surburban community back then called them ugly overpriced tennis shoes back. Street Culture, Urban communities, along with Hip Hop culture got behind Jordans FIRST, then EVERYBODY ELSE followed suit afterwards.

It's not like how y'all are describing it right now. It was the complete opposite of how it is today. Fast forward to right now, and everything has changed because of how Jordan and Nike wanted to market his shoes after around the 1990,s were finished.

They didn't want his brand being highly associated with the hood, ghetto, urban communities, because they feel like that would've stunted the brands growth going into the future, especially after what he accomplished on the court.

The cold part about this is that same community is what helped his brand become what it was at the beginning of his career. Fast forward to right now, we have other ethnicities out here acting as if everybody played a part in what Jordans are today.

Nice try, but alot of us that were around at the beginning know what actually happened back in the mid 1980,s. Jordans were not a Suburban thing when he came into the league, it was PREDOMINANTLY A BLACK THING at the time.

None of us are saying other races didn't wear Jordans back then, we're talking about who was the face of it at the start. It's definitely the total opposite right now.

From social media pages, television, marketing, reselling, etc,WE'RE NOT THE FACE OF IT ANYMORE. This is why alot of people can feel comfortable acting like it was always like how it is today back in 85,86,87,88, in which it surely wasn't.

It was always FCFS back then at stores. There was no releases online, no reselling app,s and groups and communities of trust fund kids and adults who overpaying for alot of stock because of how sneaker culture is way more of a business right now than it's ever been.

Reselling was around, but it was a small community before 2005 hit. Now 50% to 70% of all of the releases are being bought up by people who just want to throw them up on StockX, GOAT, Ebay, Offerup, Ig, and other reselling platforms, just to sell for a way higher mark up price. Whenever we missed out on Jordan releases in 85- 97, we could find a store that still had stock of DS pairs to try on and walk out with.

Sometimes they would have left over stock from the last release during the actual new release. None of y'all can even compare to what's going on right now to back then. Shoes aren't even released to the public anymore at this point.

Employees, resellers, and friends get to eat up everything first, and then the majority of the people who actually want to wear the shoes have to pay resell, so resell is actually the new retail in the reality of things right now. From reselling stores to sneaker conventions, to where it is TODAY, it's a sh!% show for the people who actually want to wear the shoes outside on a daily basis.

People are buying these shoes to hoard for future value, collecting purposes, or for social media stuntin. Basically, because of how shoes are sold online/raffles/lottery system today, to the resellers, it's not even about wearing the shoes anymore.

The most crazy part about all of this is that this has gentrified and excluded a certain demographic of people to not even be able to participate in buying certain shoes such as these. There's alot of OG buyers 44 + years old, who have left and never looked back because of how sneaker buying has changed today.
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You make a lot of good points, and a lot of bad points.

I'm not white, but white folks have been wearing sneakers since Magic and Bird made the Weapons popular. Hell, you can even say they rocked with sneakers since the Chuck Taylor.

They were frowned upon because of price point, even inner city parents thought they were overpriced. $85-100 for a sneaker back then was bananas. So it was more of a generational thing than an ethnicity thing. "Why do you need these $100 shoes, will they make you jump higher? These are $40-- take these?" :lol:

Price point was the reason they didn't fly off shelves, our parents wouldn't buy them for us. Hustle culture (GOAT, Flight Club, eBay, etc) and the internet has changed everything. Shoes used to sit in the 80's and 90's. Hence the term "deadstock". The turn of the century increased the hype but there were peaks and valleys of hype. We are in a huge peak at the moment. Shoes are another commodity that gets scooped up like many collectibles and concert tickets.

You all are looking at it that this deep though. The 80's and 90's were different, be glad we lived it. No internet sounds like a beautiful thing sometimes. Your last point is 100% on point, I know many people that used to camp out that simply wont bite on releases anymore. The hassle isn't worth it aymore, and they refuse to pay resellers. I don't blame them.

Also, applying the term "gentrification" to sneakers is kind of insane to me-- like it doesn't mean what you think it means.

TL;DR :lol:
 
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